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Starcraft is big enough for TV to ignore. - Page 16
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flx!
United States101 Posts
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bruteMax
Canada339 Posts
http://www.fnatic.com/feature/8362/StarCraft-II-in-Western-e-sports-Is-the-Korean-model-needed.html | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On April 12 2011 23:41 Jotoco wrote: TO all people saying that the length varies too greatly: 1 - Poker: It can end in a couple of all-ins, or it can go on forever with each player winning some and losing some. Seem Poker games last 10min and others last SEVERAL HOURS (Which sc can't because of amount of resources on a map). 2 - Tennis: Again, it can end in an hour 3-0. OR, it can go on FOR DAYS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_tennis_match_records Starcraft is MUCH easier than those sports to control the time. But more/less commentary between matches, interview players, etc.... All you really get from poker games on TV are highlighted hands and stuff like that. The longest tennis matches you cite are really rare, and the most recent one wasn't televised in it entirety. Ideally I think SC2 tourneys would only broadcast marquee match-ups, and late rounds. There could also be highlights of certain up and coming players as well as some highlights "pimpest plays" in between these marquee match-ups. | ||
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
On April 12 2011 23:46 Zorkmid wrote: All you really get from poker games on TV are highlighted hands and stuff like that. The longest tennis matches you cite are really rare, and the most recent one wasn't televised in it entirety. Ideally I think SC2 tourneys would only broadcast marquee match-ups, and late rounds. There could also be highlights of certain up and coming players as well as some highlights "pimpest plays" in between these marquee match-ups. I don't know, but I've seen several Poker matches broadcasted LIVE. And the Tennis match in question WAS AIRED in it's entirety here in a cable channel. And long starcraft 2 matches are rare, too. Most are 10~20min real time. A BO3 can be put in a 60 min WITH COMMERCIALS program really easily. You just need to have someone who knows the players and the matchup plan ahead and gauge as the game goes on. If you have a Very Short AND one-sided first game, chances are next game can be short and the guy will take it 2-0. Put more commercials/analysis/player interviews before the next match, but leave enough space for another round of commercials/analysis/player interviews after the game. If the game is short, put commercials/analysis/player interviews to fill the gap. If the game is long skip right to the next match so you can finish in the 60 min frame you have and so on and so forth. Even Volley can vary wildly in duration, a 3-0 against a 3-2 with scores in the high 30is each set. EDIT: Actually DreamHack IS doing 60 min BO3... can't be done? | ||
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
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Rocor
United States55 Posts
It was very well written and I agree that the Esports would have trouble in the current network television model. However that model is slowly starting to change. I think the idea of interactive television with multiple ad revenue models will become a reality. Check out the link below, if Google can prove legitimate revenue models with this venture then it won't be long before the major networks follow suit. Interactive television would suit Starcraft and esports well and I'm sure the block based advertising format could be altered to maintain the integrity of the game also keep in mind that technology has advanced so far that we almost have complete television studios/graphics workstations at our home PC's... -limited only by time and creativity- ie.. you don't -need- a 20million dollar TV studio to put out high quality content... http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-07/tech/google.original.youtube.mashable_1_google-tv-google-plans-channels?_s=PM:TECH the times they are a changin | ||
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Meldrath
United States620 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
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CidO
United States695 Posts
SC2 on a niche station like G4? Possible. If you asked me in 2001 if poker would ever be big on ESPN i'd say you're retarded. And poker sucks. Now if you ask me about poker on ESPN i'll still say it sucks, but hey obviously people watch it. All stations care about is # of viewers. If you air something like starcraft on espn, you now have limited your viewer base from the entire world, to anyone who gets espn. ESPN is only turned on my TV whenever football season is on and "my" teams are playing. Halo had the best chance because you'd be hard pressed to find a watcher base bigger outside of the US. But enough of ESPN, it won't happen again for a while after the previous problem. G4 is entirely possible as a niche station for SC2. COPS isn't exactly the most interesting program on television. I say that and mean the only thing less interesting than COPS is world series of poker on ESPN The best thing G4 has going for them is their regular prime time (Xplay/AOTS) and "movies that don't suck" the rest of the channel? meh. G4 always has the big expos being covered, a small partnership to stream a couple of events online would be a good way to test the waters. Dreamhack, GSL Finals, MLGs, NASL Finals. There is almost always something going on in SC2 on the weekends, a great place to start testing the waters. The only problem goes back to who has access to the actual channel, and even if you do have access do people even watch it. I don't have a solution for that except possible incentives for people to watch. Give them a reason, give people the chance to win something by watching. Show HD matches just by watching the channel. Do limited commercial interruption at first, you don't want to spam the crap out of commercials just to piss people off that can watch the VODs free. Get personalities that work. Basically learn from the mistakes of LANs (MLG's technical difficulties), Learn from the mistakes of CSL, and give the people what they want. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 12 2011 23:04 Crackensan wrote: Why doesn't e-sports begin working with Netflix and Hulu.com (though the latter is having legal issues... joy?) to get content out to more people? Most of the people I know don't watch T.V. anymore, but stream their shows via Netflix. That and other "Mainstream" content providers (I.E: Apples iTunes Store, xBox Live, PSN, ect...) probably reach more people than TV. It's low cost, relatively speaking, and you could reach more people than before. Look at day[9]! He reaches thousands of people and many of his viewers don't even PLAY THE GAME. Wait what? Day9 basically does lessons and strategical analysis. Why would anyone watch it if they didn't play. This might count for some other people maybe but Day9 is a terrible example. | ||
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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XiVol
Wales74 Posts
-There are no set time limits and no adverts, programs have been pushed back an hour because a match has taken more time than expected. It's all happened with these sports on the BBC. -The BBC already have a lot of niche programs, take a look at Click for example. It's mainly for technological people, but they often simply explain stuff for the more casual people. -Take a look at the Dreamhack, dApollo, Demusilim and 2GD all British, would suit the BBC's sport commentary scene perfectly. -Of course I don't expect it to be on one of the main channels, but seeing something displayed on the red button as a trial run for an event for example a future Dreamhack. This will probably never happen, but do take note that being on the TV isn't all bad. A short segment with some noobie explanations, no adverts, could use their already popular iPlayer to stream. Maybe I'm too biased about the BBC, but they do produce great programming; especially when it comes to sports. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
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dmillz
Canada270 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:15 infinity2k9 wrote: Wait what? Day9 basically does lessons and strategical analysis. Why would anyone watch it if they didn't play. This might count for some other people maybe but Day9 is a terrible example. Obviously you don't watch Day9. Day9 himself has said many many times that looooots of people tell him how they don't even play starcraft 2 but love watching the daily. | ||
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Mulletarian
Norway101 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
On April 13 2011 02:06 Zorkmid wrote: Since you need to be relatively affluent to afford a decent PC and internet connection, I don't think that there are too many players with overcoming the odds dramatic back stories like you'd see in other sports. not really. Blizzard makes their games so almost any comp can run it no problem. And just because you have money to buy a computer doesnt mean you cant have dramatic back stories..... hell deadliest catch you really didnt get any back stories...other then edgars really...and now that young kid when his dad went missing. | ||
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