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On April 12 2011 19:03 Chriscras wrote:
Does everyone not realize that your MMR was not reset at the end of season 1?
Therefore, the 200 players placed in GM will be the ones with the highest MMRs across every game of SC2 ever played.
Am I incorrect?
Negative, the top 200 list that used to be published in Season 1 every week or so (I'm making the reasonable assumption that it is this list that will be the GM criteria) wasn't dependent on one's MMR at all, it was simply a sliding scale of points depending on your division. I do believe they removed the division factor for season 2 so I'm going to say it's solely based on your points now.
Edit: This post is junk, disregard.
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I don't understand what people are saying in regards to tanking the MMR and not being able to gain points effectively anymore. The following contains some reasoning with questions to try and understand it.
Isn't it so that if you are GM and you tank your MMR but you still play vs GM that the wins you get will grant you more points than if your MMR would've been higher?
Similarly I'm not sure, especially considering the limited amount of GM leaguers, when they play equivilant top master leaguers that they will gain very little points, wouldn't it still be decent? Because the masterleaguer can have way higher MMR but not be in GM, a win for GM should award quite a decent amount of points right?
Eitherway how I look at it is with 90 bonus points to gather every week, if you get 10 points per win on average thats 9 wins total per week, or at most if we take 5 points per win 18 wins a week. But when you start dropping I think you gain points easier because worse opponents equates to more frequent wins or beating higher grants you more points at once.
It's rather at the top where if you are MC himself and you only get 2 points per win because nobody has higher MMR or w/e that you need to win something like 45 games a week to spent your bonus pool.
So if that is correct, isn't it so that the higher you are in GM, the higher your MMR is, the less points you gain from wins, the slower you spent your bonuspool and thus the more wins you need to actually stay in?
Thats kinda wierd but I could very well be mistaken on multiple points, would be cool if someone could shed some light on it or point out my errors.
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I recall reading somewhere that if your MMR drops low enough you can get demoted from the Grandmaster's league. Maybe I just dreamt that. :/
Seems silly that you can lose all of your games and still retain the Grandmaster icon by your name when a lowly Master league player can have a 100% winrate and an MMR through the roof and not get promoted until someone accumulates a bonus pool of 180.
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On April 12 2011 19:16 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 19:03 Chriscras wrote:
Does everyone not realize that your MMR was not reset at the end of season 1?
Therefore, the 200 players placed in GM will be the ones with the highest MMRs across every game of SC2 ever played.
Am I incorrect? Negative, the top 200 list that used to be published in Season 1 every week or so (I'm making the reasonable assumption that it is this list that will be the GM criteria) wasn't dependent on one's MMR at all, it was simply a sliding scale of points depending on your division. I do believe they removed the division factor for season 2 so I'm going to say it's solely based on your points now.
Redarchon made GM with 9-9 stats. So your assumption isa bit off.
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On April 12 2011 19:16 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 19:03 Chriscras wrote:
Does everyone not realize that your MMR was not reset at the end of season 1?
Therefore, the 200 players placed in GM will be the ones with the highest MMRs across every game of SC2 ever played.
Am I incorrect? Negative, the top 200 list that used to be published in Season 1 every week or so (I'm making the reasonable assumption that it is this list that will be the GM criteria) wasn't dependent on one's MMR at all, it was simply a sliding scale of points depending on your division. I do believe they removed the division factor for season 2 so I'm going to say it's solely based on your points now.
This is incorrect, I've been comparing my Div with GM and there's players with enough points that have played a game tonight and have not been promoted into GM. The Blizz blog post also said selection would be based on MMR.
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I haven't been on yet, but my question is if 1 were to have "top 200 mmr" but doesn't play until tomorrow (when the patch clearly comes out today) does he still have a "reserved" spot in the top 200 grand masters league? or is it mainly first come first serve?
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On April 12 2011 08:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Activity Rule
Grandmaster players remain in Grandmaster League until the end of the season. If your bonus pool accumulates to 180 (2 weeks' worth), you are automatically removed from Grandmaster League and a new player will take your spot. This is the only way to get removed from this league.
hmm. i dunno. a lot of players focus on custom games while practicing for a tournament. hope this doesn't rule out some of them.
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On April 12 2011 21:56 oGm`REM wrote:
I haven't been on yet, but my question is if 1 were to have "top 200 mmr" but doesn't play until tomorrow (when the patch clearly comes out today) does he still have a "reserved" spot in the top 200 grand masters league? or is it mainly first come first serve?
"if you have a slot reserved but someone else gets a higher MMR moving average than you before you play your promotion game, your slot will be taken!"
Well thats what the OP has to say about this^^
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Will this thread be updated when grandmaster is released on North America ?
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Nope, nobody will say anything at all when people start getting into GM
Edit: Somebody just told me it comes out in 12 hours
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On April 12 2011 22:08 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 08:56 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Activity Rule
Grandmaster players remain in Grandmaster League until the end of the season. If your bonus pool accumulates to 180 (2 weeks' worth), you are automatically removed from Grandmaster League and a new player will take your spot. This is the only way to get removed from this league. hmm. i dunno. a lot of players focus on custom games while practicing for a tournament. hope this doesn't rule out some of them.
if you're on the top200 list it's already from laddering instead of custom gaming 24/7 so not winning a ladder game for 2 weeks is pretty unreasonable
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On April 12 2011 22:18 ExO_ wrote:
Nope, nobody will say anything at all when people start getting into GM
Edit: Somebody just told me it comes out in 12 hours
People were talking about this coming out at 12:00am PST last night.
...still no update on anything as of yet. (according to the battle.net site and sc2ranks.com)
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Can't believe people yet again calling Blizzard retarded etc and then completely misunderstanding things.
1) it's not based on the first few weeks this season, it's based on your mmr which carried over seasons (assuming you played one placement...)
2) constant leagues are inherently bad? Why then, for example, do soccer leagues stay the same for a whole year? There are teams in the English premier league who shouldn't be there any more. Ok I get that there a sseveral fundamental differences, but it keeps it interesting for the casuals.
(imho fortnightly relegations for the bottom 10 would be cool)
I'm not saying it's the best system, but it seems awesome to me, the casual player. I would rather it evolved in the direction of 'access replays of top 200 thru b.net' rather than any of this constant fluctuation stuff - I guess if I was currently 201st in my region I may feel different?...
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Will the top 200 be realtime, or will it be updated every week, like they used to?
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On April 12 2011 22:52 Cajun2k1 wrote:
Will the top 200 be realtime, or will it be updated every week, like they used to?
it will kinda be half realtime. the top 200 will swap around amongst the top 200 until someone decides to go inactive... meaning the bottom portion of the top 200 or so will be inaccurate as non gm leaguers surpass them.
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I'm confused about how this promotion works still. The north american server has been up for a bit with the new patch but still no one has been promoted to grand masters, even people who have won games in the top 100. edit: Is MMR really that effective to where people in the top 100 don't even have high enough mmr's compared to people significantly lower?
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It's too bad that the grandmaster list won't be very fluid, I'd imagine that the "real" bottom 50 of the top 200 would be changing on a nearly day to day basis. As a fan I'd like to be able to see this, maybe in the future 
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So once you get into the league, it doesn`t matter how many games you lose since you can`t get out unless you accumulate more than 180 bonus pool points? Sounds silly.
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On April 12 2011 22:59 radu_c wrote:
So once you get into the league, it doesn`t matter how many games you lose since you can`t get out unless you accumulate more than 180 bonus pool points? Sounds silly.
If you were to lose multiple games in a row, it brings down your MMR whereas someone in high masters can win multiple games in a row and take your spot.
Therefore you can get "demoted" from Grand Masters by losing numerous games in a row.
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I know this could cause problems but what if, They made your pool increase at a faster rate, like double, so theres a better chance of getting kicked out of GM
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