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On April 12 2011 23:54 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:41 Skyze wrote:
and you guys worrying about if you are top 200 right now on this reset; dont worry.. Its based off MMR, not points. I mean, someone who was not even playing last season could just come in and get 1000 pts in masters this season, doesnt mean he'd be in grandmasters. MMR is carried over from last season, and the ones who were top 200 last time blizzard released their weekly updates, will be the ones who get in this GM (barring any that lost a lot since then, but chances are 95% of them kept their MMR high enough)
so dont fuss over being #213th on ladder right now, if you wernt top 200 before you wont get in anyways If some guy has 1000 pts. That means his MMR is high enough to be in top 200 for sure. If you play well, you can definitely raise your MMR high enough to be top 200. I think you need to be top 100 in points to feel safe about making it to top 200. The best measure is by looking at who you're playing. If you're playing progamers, then you have a good chance. If you're playing a bunch of no names, you're probably not top 200. Another thing you want to look at is how much points your opponent wins or loses when they play you. If your MMR is equivalent to their displayed points, he loses/wins 12 points. If your MMR is below his displayed rank, he wins less than 12 points or he loses more than 12 points.
Very good valid points. Thanks.
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Can't wait to get home and get the sexy top 16 GM medal..!!
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Hmm does this mean for a small time it will be easyer to gain a promotion into masters league? given 200 spots should "free" up??
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On April 13 2011 00:13 Meldrath wrote:
Hmm does this mean for a small time it will be easyer to gain a promotion into masters league? given 200 spots should "free" up??
not at all.... you still need more skill to get promoted.
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On April 13 2011 00:14 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:13 Meldrath wrote:
Hmm does this mean for a small time it will be easyer to gain a promotion into masters league? given 200 spots should "free" up?? not at all.... you still need more skill to get promoted.
Right now I'm picturing "Not enough minerals" protoss voice over, except, "Not enough skill".
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On April 13 2011 00:14 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:13 Meldrath wrote:
Hmm does this mean for a small time it will be easyer to gain a promotion into masters league? given 200 spots should "free" up?? not at all.... you still need more skill to get promoted. I understand this. in my case I have been playing mid/low masters players very frequently with 50/50 results.... I often wonder if Im not getting promoted becuase of some mechanical flaw with the promotion system. Im sure the system is fine.. (I hope) just frustrating you can have a look if you like. meldrathxdbx 986 on sc2 ranks and see what you think 
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So.. has anyone in NA been promoted to Grand Masters yet?
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On April 13 2011 00:17 oGm`REM wrote:
So.. has anyone in NA been promoted to Grand Masters yet?
Nope XD, The ladder is still empty and no one I know has received a promotion.
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On April 13 2011 00:19 tekushikume wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:17 oGm`REM wrote:
So.. has anyone in NA been promoted to Grand Masters yet? Nope XD, The ladder is still empty and no one I know has received a promotion.
Despite that, I doubt it is not activeted yet, but people still need to win once.
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I think I shall for GM to be officially incorporated before I play a game. :D
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I am surprised it has not activated yet looking at the other servers that have grandmasters.
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On April 13 2011 00:22 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:19 tekushikume wrote:On April 13 2011 00:17 oGm`REM wrote:
So.. has anyone in NA been promoted to Grand Masters yet? Nope XD, The ladder is still empty and no one I know has received a promotion. Despite that, I doubt it is not activeted yet, but people still need to win once.
Nope, several people at the top have won once and not gotten promoted
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On April 13 2011 00:23 oGm`REM wrote:
I think I shall wait for GM to be officially incorporated before I play a game. :D
That's exactly my plan.
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On April 12 2011 23:03 oGm`REM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 22:59 radu_c wrote:
So once you get into the league, it doesn`t matter how many games you lose since you can`t get out unless you accumulate more than 180 bonus pool points? Sounds silly. If you were to lose multiple games in a row, it brings down your MMR whereas someone in high masters can win multiple games in a row and take your spot. Therefore you can get "demoted" from Grand Masters by losing numerous games in a row.
Nope. mmr is only a requirement to get into the league. Once you're in the league your mmr doesn't do anything but place yout 1-200. Only inactivity can get you demoted
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On April 12 2011 23:54 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:41 Skyze wrote:
and you guys worrying about if you are top 200 right now on this reset; dont worry.. Its based off MMR, not points. I mean, someone who was not even playing last season could just come in and get 1000 pts in masters this season, doesnt mean he'd be in grandmasters. MMR is carried over from last season, and the ones who were top 200 last time blizzard released their weekly updates, will be the ones who get in this GM (barring any that lost a lot since then, but chances are 95% of them kept their MMR high enough)
so dont fuss over being #213th on ladder right now, if you wernt top 200 before you wont get in anyways If some guy has 1000 pts. That means his MMR is high enough to be in top 200 for sure. If you play well, you can definitely raise your MMR high enough to be top 200. I think you need to be top 100 in points to feel safe about making it to top 200. The best measure is by looking at who you're playing. If you're playing progamers, then you have a good chance. If you're playing a bunch of no names, you're probably not top 200. Another thing you want to look at is how much points your opponent wins or loses when they play you. If your MMR is equivalent to their displayed points, he loses/wins 12 points. If your MMR is below his displayed rank, he wins less than 12 points or he loses more than 12 points.
I disagree with that.. I've been playing tons of people on ladder right now who are in that 700-900 pts range and they have 300 games, all cannon rushing or 6pooling.. My point being, these guys had to mass game in these past 2 weeks because last season most of them couldnt even crack 3000 masters, and now they are in the top 100 of this 2 week-season by just playing more than everyone. They will not get in the GM league, despite being top 100 right now on SC2ranks.com
MMR carries over from last season. It is true though in what you said how, if you are playing known players at the top, chances are you'll get in GM.. If you are playing no-namers, you wont make it, regardless if you have 1000 pts this season. That was my point.
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Well there are people on the top 200 who cheated because if u look their score is like 62-0 and if they get into the grand masters, it is going to ruin the game
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On April 13 2011 00:26 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:23 oGm`REM wrote:
I think I shall wait for GM to be officially incorporated before I play a game. :D That's exactly my plan.
mine too
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On April 13 2011 00:45 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:54 T.O.P. wrote:On April 12 2011 23:41 Skyze wrote:
and you guys worrying about if you are top 200 right now on this reset; dont worry.. Its based off MMR, not points. I mean, someone who was not even playing last season could just come in and get 1000 pts in masters this season, doesnt mean he'd be in grandmasters. MMR is carried over from last season, and the ones who were top 200 last time blizzard released their weekly updates, will be the ones who get in this GM (barring any that lost a lot since then, but chances are 95% of them kept their MMR high enough)
so dont fuss over being #213th on ladder right now, if you wernt top 200 before you wont get in anyways If some guy has 1000 pts. That means his MMR is high enough to be in top 200 for sure. If you play well, you can definitely raise your MMR high enough to be top 200. I think you need to be top 100 in points to feel safe about making it to top 200. The best measure is by looking at who you're playing. If you're playing progamers, then you have a good chance. If you're playing a bunch of no names, you're probably not top 200. Another thing you want to look at is how much points your opponent wins or loses when they play you. If your MMR is equivalent to their displayed points, he loses/wins 12 points. If your MMR is below his displayed rank, he wins less than 12 points or he loses more than 12 points. I disagree with that.. I've been playing tons of people on ladder right now who are in that 700-900 pts range and they have 300 games, all cannon rushing or 6pooling.. My point being, these guys had to mass game in these past 2 weeks because last season most of them couldnt even crack 3000 masters, and now they are in the top 100 of this 2 week-season by just playing more than everyone. They will not get in the GM league, despite being top 100 right now on SC2ranks.com MMR carries over from last season. It is true though in what you said how, if you are playing known players at the top, chances are you'll get in GM.. If you are playing no-namers, you wont make it, regardless if you have 1000 pts this season. That was my point.
Cannon rushing and 6 pooling every game doesn't prevent you from being Grandmaster. I don't buy the theory that some people have much higher points than other players because they play more than anyone else. I estimate that most players in the top 200 already have their MMR and displayed points converge. When they converge, you win/lose 12 points on average. I know that those mass gamer's MMR and displayed points definitely converged because they mass gamed.
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On April 13 2011 00:57 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 00:45 Skyze wrote:On April 12 2011 23:54 T.O.P. wrote:On April 12 2011 23:41 Skyze wrote:
and you guys worrying about if you are top 200 right now on this reset; dont worry.. Its based off MMR, not points. I mean, someone who was not even playing last season could just come in and get 1000 pts in masters this season, doesnt mean he'd be in grandmasters. MMR is carried over from last season, and the ones who were top 200 last time blizzard released their weekly updates, will be the ones who get in this GM (barring any that lost a lot since then, but chances are 95% of them kept their MMR high enough)
so dont fuss over being #213th on ladder right now, if you wernt top 200 before you wont get in anyways If some guy has 1000 pts. That means his MMR is high enough to be in top 200 for sure. If you play well, you can definitely raise your MMR high enough to be top 200. I think you need to be top 100 in points to feel safe about making it to top 200. The best measure is by looking at who you're playing. If you're playing progamers, then you have a good chance. If you're playing a bunch of no names, you're probably not top 200. Another thing you want to look at is how much points your opponent wins or loses when they play you. If your MMR is equivalent to their displayed points, he loses/wins 12 points. If your MMR is below his displayed rank, he wins less than 12 points or he loses more than 12 points. I disagree with that.. I've been playing tons of people on ladder right now who are in that 700-900 pts range and they have 300 games, all cannon rushing or 6pooling.. My point being, these guys had to mass game in these past 2 weeks because last season most of them couldnt even crack 3000 masters, and now they are in the top 100 of this 2 week-season by just playing more than everyone. They will not get in the GM league, despite being top 100 right now on SC2ranks.com MMR carries over from last season. It is true though in what you said how, if you are playing known players at the top, chances are you'll get in GM.. If you are playing no-namers, you wont make it, regardless if you have 1000 pts this season. That was my point. Cannon rushing and 6 pooling every game doesn't prevent you from being Grandmaster. I don't buy the theory that some people have much higher points than other players because they play more than anyone else. I estimate that most players in the top 200 already have their MMR and displayed points converge. When they converge, you win/lose 12 points on average. I know that those mass gamer's MMR and displayed points definitely converged because they mass gamed.
You are missing my point dude.. the points right now on SC2ranks.com have been there for TWO-WEEKS.. that means, the top players that are not all the 4K pts we saw last season, these are just who has played the most in 2 weeks. Not a lot of time. Thats why someone like Idra can get 1000 pts with less than 75 games, while others need 250-300+ to get the same in this 2 week period.
People like Combat-EX who did the mass cannon rushing last season and got 4K will be in the GM for sure, im not saying it "prevents" you from being in GM.. but what I am saying is that just because you are top 200 on SC2ranks.com right NOW in this 2 week season (and afew are solely due to 6pooling everygame with over 400 games), doesnt mean you will be in GM.. Anyone who wasnt top 200 from Season 1 or anywhere near the MMR for it, ie if anyone wasnt above 3000 last season, just because they are in top 200 on SC2ranks.com right now doesnt mean they will get in GM today. Thats what im saying.
But we'll find out in afew hours I guess. If the top 200 right now on SC2ranks.com are the ones who get all migrated to Grandmasters, i'll concede defeat. But im 99% positive it goes by MMR still, not current SC2ranks.com point totals.. Top MMR goes in, not top points. We'll see afew 900-1000 pts players left over after GM comes.
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On April 13 2011 00:54 lethal111 wrote:
Well there are people on the top 200 who cheated because if u look their score is like 62-0 and if they get into the grand masters, it is going to ruin the game
Well, obviously battle.net is going to look into this and ban them.
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