EPTGrandmaster League Info Thread - Page 11
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:15 lethal111 wrote: Well I started playing ladder the last two weeks and I wasn't the top 200 but even after one week, my mmr is already top 200, iv recently played select, ranged, combat ex, bunch of people in complexity and various other top 200 like ranged, vt gaming and etc What are you exactly trying to get at? | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:08 Skyze wrote: You are missing my point dude.. the points right now on SC2ranks.com have been there for TWO-WEEKS.. that means, the top players that are not all the 4K pts we saw last season, these are just who has played the most in 2 weeks. Not a lot of time. Thats why someone like Idra can get 1000 pts with less than 75 games, while others need 250-300+ to get the same in this 2 week period. People like Combat-EX who did the mass cannon rushing last season and got 4K will be in the GM for sure, im not saying it "prevents" you from being in GM.. but what I am saying is that just because you are top 200 on SC2ranks.com right NOW in this 2 week season (and afew are solely due to 6pooling everygame with over 400 games), doesnt mean you will be in GM.. Anyone who wasnt top 200 from Season 1 or anywhere near the MMR for it, ie if anyone wasnt above 3000 last season, just because they are in top 200 on SC2ranks.com right now doesnt mean they will get in GM today. Thats what im saying. But we'll find out in afew hours I guess. If the top 200 right now on SC2ranks.com are the ones who get all migrated to Grandmasters, i'll concede defeat. But im 99% positive it goes by MMR still, not current SC2ranks.com point totals.. Top MMR goes in, not top points. We'll see afew 900-1000 pts players left over after GM comes. I never said top points go in. I always said top MMR goes in. But after a while, MMR and displayed points converge. I'm sure all those 900-1000 pt players will go to GM. What people have to worry about is how many players are out there with a high MMR, but only 20 games played. That would lead to a big disparity between MMR and points. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On April 13 2011 00:57 T.O.P. wrote: Cannon rushing and 6 pooling every game doesn't prevent you from being Grandmaster. I don't buy the theory that some people have much higher points than other players because they play more than anyone else. I estimate that most players in the top 200 already have their MMR and displayed points converge. When they converge, you win/lose 12 points on average. I know that those mass gamer's MMR and displayed points definitely converged because they mass gamed. I think Skyze is right. MRR is transferred from last season and GM is dependent solely on your MMR. This would mean that it's just Season 1 record + Season 2 record for everyone. Person who was low masters S1 but has been grinding out games in S2 doesn't really seem to have good chances to get into GM compared to someone who was 4k+ masters S1 and has played like 2 games this season. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
Haha right? What are we supposed to say.. good going? I just see gm league as something to help me stay motivated laddering. right now I have absolutely zero motivation for sc2 :/ | ||
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:08 Skyze wrote: You are missing my point dude.. the points right now on SC2ranks.com have been there for TWO-WEEKS.. that means, the top players that are not all the 4K pts we saw last season, these are just who has played the most in 2 weeks. Not a lot of time. Thats why someone like Idra can get 1000 pts with less than 75 games, while others need 250-300+ to get the same in this 2 week period. People like Combat-EX who did the mass cannon rushing last season and got 4K will be in the GM for sure, im not saying it "prevents" you from being in GM.. but what I am saying is that just because you are top 200 on SC2ranks.com right NOW in this 2 week season (and afew are solely due to 6pooling everygame with over 400 games), doesnt mean you will be in GM.. Anyone who wasnt top 200 from Season 1 or anywhere near the MMR for it, ie if anyone wasnt above 3000 last season, just because they are in top 200 on SC2ranks.com right now doesnt mean they will get in GM today. Thats what im saying. But we'll find out in afew hours I guess. If the top 200 right now on SC2ranks.com are the ones who get all migrated to Grandmasters, i'll concede defeat. But im 99% positive it goes by MMR still, not current SC2ranks.com point totals.. Top MMR goes in, not top points. We'll see afew 900-1000 pts players left over after GM comes. I think you're underestimating how hard it is to get to 800 points. There's a reason only ~200 people have done it so far. If you were at ~4k points before reset (roughly top 200), you got free points this season up to about 800. There are some good players who haven't been active enough to get their points up to their MMR, but for the most part, the players who are above 800-850 right now will make GM. | ||
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:32 Alejandrisha wrote: How do you know if it's good enough for masters? what does mmr not being so great mean? How can you be oblivious by what he is trying to say? Obviously if you're playing "randoms" consistently; and going 50/50 with them, you're MMR is clearly not high enough. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
he's saying he's an example of someone who is essentially cheesing their way into Grandmasters. He wasn't good enough to get into GM before the reset, but now after massgaming for 2 weeks he feels he is good enough (based on the players he's getting matched with) Honestly though, if you are suddenly good enough to play people like SeleCT and other top 200 players now, you were good enough to play them before. IMO noone increases their skill so drastically in just 2 weeks. So it seems the real question people are getting at is: is it possible for a masters or below player to temporarily inflate their MMR high enough to get into the GM league in 2 weeks? Guess we'll see in a few hours. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
His point is that it's misleading to say that grandmasters is based on all of season one + two weeks of season two when MMR can be volatile enough to promote someone from well outside of the top 200 to well inside the top 200 in less than two weeks. Certain ranges of games played per day and win rate make MMR change rapidly enough that season one becomes irrelevant. It's been a while since I've played from a fresh account but last time I did it was possible to match against top 50 players within 50 games played. | ||
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
Cause if you look at sTkChance's match history, he has like under 30 games, and hes playing all the top players. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:44 sad.wish wrote: Tyler is right, Cause if you look at sTkChance's match history, he has like under 30 games, and hes playing all the top players. I would argue that sTkChance is obviously a smurf, noone can get to top 200 without playing hundreds of games of starcraft 2. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12252 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:36 BlasiuS wrote: he's saying he's an example of someone who is essentially cheesing their way into Grandmasters. He wasn't good enough to get into GM before the reset, but now after massgaming for 2 weeks he feels he is good enough (based on the players he's getting matched with) Honestly though, if you are suddenly good enough to play people like SeleCT and other top 200 players now, you were good enough to play them before. IMO noone increases their skill so drastically in just 2 weeks. So it seems the real question people are getting at is: is it possible for a masters or below player to temporarily inflate their MMR high enough to get into the GM league in 2 weeks? Guess we'll see in a few hours. I guess the answer depends on the interval of the moving average. I'm assuming this is the same interval that's used to determine promotion eligibility for all the other leagues, so it may not be that high. The question then becomes "how many games must you play against top players before it recognizes you to be at their level (and therefore have a moving average that is on par with them)?" Basically, the eternal "when am I getting promoted?" question applies even here =) | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
So I think it's possible someone could have made a new account yesterday, gone 50-0, had top 10 MMR on the server, but would not get in grandmasters. | ||
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:42 Liquid`Tyler wrote: His point is that it's misleading to say that grandmasters is based on all of season one + two weeks of season two when MMR can be volatile enough to promote someone from well outside of the top 200 to well inside the top 200 in less than two weeks. Certain ranges of games played per day and win rate make MMR change rapidly enough that season one becomes irrelevant. It's been a while since I've played from a fresh account but last time I did it was possible to match against top 50 players within 50 games played. That's because you're Tyler and have probably went at least 45-5 winning numerous games in a row, hence it increases your MMR drastically. In all seriousness, I see where you guys are coming with what he was trying to get at. Thanks. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On April 13 2011 01:48 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Yeah the only question is whether someone with a highly volatile MMR can be put into grandmasters. I believe Excalibur_Z has said that league promotions and demotions aren't made when MMR volatility is high. The system waits until you've settled down a bit by getting closer to a 50% win rate (edit: I think getting close to a 50% win rate isn't necessary, but I think it's the fastest way to have your moving average "settle" so that's what I think of), and then it makes its decision about what league you should be in. So I think it's possible someone could have made a new account yesterday, gone 50-0, had top 10 MMR on the server, but would not get in grandmasters. Yeh thats been the case even since release.. Remember CauthonLuck? He was like 60-4 and couldnt get promoted into Diamond because of this.. yet many people were in diamond with like 30-20. If you keep winning too much early on, the system doesnt know what your real "placement" is, and they just wait until you start losing to find out where you fit. If you dont lose, you stay in limbo. This is what happens to new accounts; they can win so fast and avoid the situations everyone like us who played from the very start of the season (like now, where most people in masters are at 60%) and skip right up in point totals with a 90%+ win percentage before their MMR settles and places them properly. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
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