EPTPoll, who was going to win this game? - Page 4
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote: The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4? 5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B - 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A 0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2) vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1) | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:29 Retgery wrote: Wait what happened? I watched the replay and it goes from T`s 3rd getting destroyed and then some rage and a blank screen? BNet has been shitting out all day and people have been dropping from games, which is why I'm not laddering right now and browsing TL instead. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote: The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4? Yes, mainly because zealots and stalkers can tank a lot of damage, the colossi would end up cleaning up (3 colossi as well from what I understand of the situation), and there's not enough vikings to drop the colossi fast. | ||
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:29 spbelky wrote: 5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B - 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A 0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2) vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1) Right. I knocked 10 seconds off because red was rallying to the northeast ramp of the gold expo, then said another 8-12 seconds to hit the nat (depending on blue army location). Given the upgrades and those numbers, who wins? I would still feel like red wins. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:30 Dalavita wrote: Yes, mainly because zealots and stalkers can tank a lot of damage, the colossi would end up cleaning up (3 colossi as well from what I understand of the situation), and there's not enough vikings to drop the colossi fast. If he waits for the 3rd colossus, I'm gonna have an entire extra cycle of units. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:31 pwncakery wrote: Right. I knocked 10 seconds off because red was rallying to the northeast ramp of the gold expo, then said another 8-12 seconds to hit the nat (depending on blue army location). Given the upgrades and those numbers, who wins? its 12+ seconds (zealots are only 2.25 speed) and who wins? that's a good question =\ | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:29 spbelky wrote: 5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B - 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A 0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2) vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1) Somehow you have 5 more marauders then you really have but the toss doesn't have the colossus 25 secs away from finishing or another few gateway units warped in? Even in that situation where the toss apparently sits around waiting for his zealot, the toss army still wins in the unit tester, even if the some of the stalkers are shooting at medivacs due to complete a-move. | ||
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tosog
64 Posts
But 1. He was confident in his army size 2. His army was an assload bigger than yours. If he decided to attack(and again he's confident he could crush you) he would own you. Sorry, Terran would have lost. 11 marauders with medivacs do not beat 16 stalkers, 2cols, and 5zealots | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On April 08 2011 08:32 spbelky wrote: If he waits for the 3rd colossus, I'm gonna have an entire extra cycle of units. Even if you had 20 marauders with 8 medivacs and 4 vikings, his army of 16 stalkers, 5 zealots and 3 colossi is still way stronger than yours because of the colossus count, superior upgrades or not. You might have survived had you pulled all your probes, but he could have pulled every single probe he had since he knew he was mined out (which I would have done) and just ended you. And I'm not even counting in any other warp gate units he could have warped in. Just that +1 colossi vs 9! additional marauders of yours, he still would have won. Edit: And in a worker w worker battle. His workers would tank a shitton of marauder shots whereas the colossi would melt all of yours in a couple of rounds. Win goes to him. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
2Colossus 16 Stalker 5 Zealot (1:1) vs my 12 Marauder 3 Marine 7 Medivac 31 SCV (3:2) I used the unit tester, and the Terran wins with almost everything left over except the marines and most SCVs die. Yes, it was both just A-moving with zeals in front and a stim, so it's not very accurate, so I'd like someone to help me test this please. But I'm pretty sure I'm right... and if I'm not right, it would be a damn close fight, that my 2nd wave of reinforcements could possibly clean up. If you want to argue that he could have waited for the Colossus and pulled his Probes, you're right, he could have but, if you watched the replay, my feel of it was he would have attacked with the force he had. SPBelky.782 Aside from testing that unit comp in game and then maybe posting a video of it, I'm done trying to defend myself on these forums. On a typical day I think I'm a pretty nice guy, but right now I'm being a dick to pretty much everyone who responds to this and I don't want to do it anymore. However, if anyone wants to post constructive stuff like Axel did, that'd be great. Hope someone msgs me! | ||
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YueY.
United States18 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
But yeah, Protoss had this 100% | ||
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maize
United States38 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:53 YueY. wrote: Wow, this is pretty funny, my friend told me about this thread and I read almost the entire thing and couldn't stop laughing, I mean was it really that big of a deal you needed to make a thread on tl about this dude? I mean it was annoying because this is what happened, yesterday the servers were shutting down on the NA server, and it gave updates like "20 minutes before server shut down" "10 minutes, 5 minutes etc" when our game was going on, so at the very end, I knew the servers were gonna shut down soon so I was about to attack him, I mean I probably would have attacked him anyway even if the servers weren't shutting down, but I thought he was just being a dick and not leaving the game when it was clearly over so he could maybe get a free win from me if I disconnected, and I did disconnect and thats why I said those things, I mean I didn't really care all that much...it was just annoying knowing I was JUST ABOUT to win and then the server shut down haha, I was just kinda like "whatever thats lame, but its not that big of a deal" I mean it was just a ladder game, not the TSL or something. I just find it hilarious you actually made a thread about this, it seems like you cared WAYYYY more than I did haha, and I like how you make it seem like you werent bm to me after the game, I am not one for "starcraft drama" I could care less about you, or that game. You're just making a fool out of yourself with this thread, which is just priceless. is quite a bit different from op's version, who is telling the truth?  | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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cuoongwhomy
102 Posts
=>it likes zvt. If zerg goes for hatch be4 pool, terran can't kill zerg. Zerg will has huge advantage and win game easily in mid game. | ||
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canucks12
Canada812 Posts
On April 08 2011 07:08 spbelky wrote: If he A moves to my base the way his army is set up, I will 1shot each unit as it comes streaming in lol... easily. Basically, all he had to do was gather his troops, and he would have won the fight. | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On April 09 2011 05:53 YueY. wrote: Wow, this is pretty funny, my friend told me about this thread and I read almost the entire thing and couldn't stop laughing, I mean was it really that big of a deal you needed to make a thread on tl about this dude? I mean it was annoying because this is what happened, yesterday the servers were shutting down on the NA server, and it gave updates like "20 minutes before server shut down" "10 minutes, 5 minutes etc" when our game was going on, so at the very end, I knew the servers were gonna shut down soon so I was about to attack him, I mean I probably would have attacked him anyway even if the servers weren't shutting down, but I thought he was just being a dick and not leaving the game when it was clearly over so he could maybe get a free win from me if I disconnected, and I did disconnect and thats why I said those things, I mean I didn't really care all that much...it was just annoying knowing I was JUST ABOUT to win and then the server shut down haha, I was just kinda like "whatever thats lame, but its not that big of a deal" I mean it was just a ladder game, not the TSL or something. I just find it hilarious you actually made a thread about this, it seems like you cared WAYYYY more than I did haha, and I like how you make it seem like you werent bm to me after the game, I am not one for "starcraft drama" I could care less about you, or that game. You're just making a fool out of yourself with this thread, which is just priceless. lol, it was hardly clearly over from his perspective, coz you are awful. He probably didn't even know what kind of army you had, much less what you were gonna do next. This thread is interesting, but at the end of the day, the protoss did not deserve the win any more than the terran. You both played like shit, and the game could have gone either way in the end, because you both are awful. A game isn't over just coz you had arguably a better army when the server shut down. You definitely hadn't won yet, and I'm not confident you even could have managed to pull out a win. This isn't BM; this is the truth. So the OP is kinda fun to talk about, but neither of you won the game. Obviously, haha. | ||
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