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pwncakery
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada131 Posts
April 07 2011 23:23 GMT
#61
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:29:56
April 07 2011 23:29 GMT
#62
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B
- 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A
0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B

also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2)
vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1)
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
April 07 2011 23:29 GMT
#63
Wait what happened? I watched the replay and it goes from T`s 3rd getting destroyed and then some rage and a blank screen?
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
April 07 2011 23:30 GMT
#64
On April 08 2011 08:29 Retgery wrote:
Wait what happened? I watched the replay and it goes from T`s 3rd getting destroyed and then some rage and a blank screen?


BNet has been shitting out all day and people have been dropping from games, which is why I'm not laddering right now and browsing TL instead.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
April 07 2011 23:30 GMT
#65
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


Yes, mainly because zealots and stalkers can tank a lot of damage, the colossi would end up cleaning up (3 colossi as well from what I understand of the situation), and there's not enough vikings to drop the colossi fast.
pwncakery
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:36:25
April 07 2011 23:31 GMT
#66
On April 08 2011 08:29 spbelky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B
- 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A
0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B

also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2)
vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1)


Right. I knocked 10 seconds off because red was rallying to the northeast ramp of the gold expo, then said another 8-12 seconds to hit the nat (depending on blue army location). Given the upgrades and those numbers, who wins?

I would still feel like red wins.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
April 07 2011 23:32 GMT
#67
On April 08 2011 08:30 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


Yes, mainly because zealots and stalkers can tank a lot of damage, the colossi would end up cleaning up (3 colossi as well from what I understand of the situation), and there's not enough vikings to drop the colossi fast.


If he waits for the 3rd colossus, I'm gonna have an entire extra cycle of units.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
April 07 2011 23:37 GMT
#68
On April 08 2011 08:31 pwncakery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:29 spbelky wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B
- 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A
0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B

also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2)
vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1)


Right. I knocked 10 seconds off because red was rallying to the northeast ramp of the gold expo, then said another 8-12 seconds to hit the nat (depending on blue army location). Given the upgrades and those numbers, who wins?


its 12+ seconds (zealots are only 2.25 speed) and who wins? that's a good question =\
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
April 07 2011 23:40 GMT
#69
On April 08 2011 08:29 spbelky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


5:50 - time zealot reaches natural B
- 5:16 - time zealot starts moving A
0:34 - time it takes zealot to run from point A to point B

also its 12/4/7/3 Mara/Vikin/Medi/Marine (3:2) and possibly 31scvs (0:2)
vs 16/5/2 Stalker/Zealot/Colossus (1:1)


Somehow you have 5 more marauders then you really have but the toss doesn't have the colossus 25 secs away from finishing or another few gateway units warped in?
Even in that situation where the toss apparently sits around waiting for his zealot, the toss army still wins in the unit tester, even if the some of the stalkers are shooting at medivacs due to complete a-move.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
tosog
Profile Joined March 2011
64 Posts
April 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#70
You could have came back if you stablized your dominance in bases(his natural almost mined out, yours not)
But
1. He was confident in his army size
2. His army was an assload bigger than yours. If he decided to attack(and again he's confident he could crush you) he would own you.
Sorry, Terran would have lost.
11 marauders with medivacs do not beat 16 stalkers, 2cols, and 5zealots
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:57:12
April 07 2011 23:46 GMT
#71
On April 08 2011 08:32 spbelky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:30 Dalavita wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:23 pwncakery wrote:
The clip you just posted showed us nicely that it would take about 25 seconds for the furthest zealot at the time the replay ended to reach the point where red was rallying his army. At that point he can attack into blue's natural, which would take about 8-12 seconds to hit, depending on where blue was keeping his army. So we would have 7+5 reinforcing marauders, and 3+1 reinforcing vikings against 16/5/2 stalk/zeal/colo. I'm actually a zerg player. While it was pretty obvious that 16/5/2 >7/3, are they still > 12/4?


Yes, mainly because zealots and stalkers can tank a lot of damage, the colossi would end up cleaning up (3 colossi as well from what I understand of the situation), and there's not enough vikings to drop the colossi fast.


If he waits for the 3rd colossus, I'm gonna have an entire extra cycle of units.


Even if you had 20 marauders with 8 medivacs and 4 vikings, his army of 16 stalkers, 5 zealots and 3 colossi is still way stronger than yours because of the colossus count, superior upgrades or not. You might have survived had you pulled all your probes, but he could have pulled every single probe he had since he knew he was mined out (which I would have done) and just ended you.

And I'm not even counting in any other warp gate units he could have warped in. Just that +1 colossi vs 9! additional marauders of yours, he still would have won.

Edit: And in a worker w worker battle. His workers would tank a shitton of marauder shots whereas the colossi would melt all of yours in a couple of rounds. Win goes to him.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
April 08 2011 01:27 GMT
#72
Everyone seems to be convinced that he could just group his shit together and kill me, I challenge anyone here to play me in a unit test game and do:
2Colossus 16 Stalker 5 Zealot (1:1) vs my 12 Marauder 3 Marine 7 Medivac 31 SCV (3:2)

I used the unit tester, and the Terran wins with almost everything left over except the marines and most SCVs die. Yes, it was both just A-moving with zeals in front and a stim, so it's not very accurate, so I'd like someone to help me test this please. But I'm pretty sure I'm right... and if I'm not right, it would be a damn close fight, that my 2nd wave of reinforcements could possibly clean up.

If you want to argue that he could have waited for the Colossus and pulled his Probes, you're right, he could have but, if you watched the replay, my feel of it was he would have attacked with the force he had.

SPBelky.782

Aside from testing that unit comp in game and then maybe posting a video of it, I'm done trying to defend myself on these forums. On a typical day I think I'm a pretty nice guy, but right now I'm being a dick to pretty much everyone who responds to this and I don't want to do it anymore. However, if anyone wants to post constructive stuff like Axel did, that'd be great.

Hope someone msgs me!
YueY.
Profile Joined July 2007
United States18 Posts
April 08 2011 20:53 GMT
#73
Wow, this is pretty funny, my friend told me about this thread and I read almost the entire thing and couldn't stop laughing, I mean was it really that big of a deal you needed to make a thread on tl about this dude? I mean it was annoying because this is what happened, yesterday the servers were shutting down on the NA server, and it gave updates like "20 minutes before server shut down" "10 minutes, 5 minutes etc" when our game was going on, so at the very end, I knew the servers were gonna shut down soon so I was about to attack him, I mean I probably would have attacked him anyway even if the servers weren't shutting down, but I thought he was just being a dick and not leaving the game when it was clearly over so he could maybe get a free win from me if I disconnected, and I did disconnect and thats why I said those things, I mean I didn't really care all that much...it was just annoying knowing I was JUST ABOUT to win and then the server shut down haha, I was just kinda like "whatever thats lame, but its not that big of a deal" I mean it was just a ladder game, not the TSL or something. I just find it hilarious you actually made a thread about this, it seems like you cared WAYYYY more than I did haha, and I like how you make it seem like you werent bm to me after the game, I am not one for "starcraft drama" I could care less about you, or that game. You're just making a fool out of yourself with this thread, which is just priceless.
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
April 08 2011 20:56 GMT
#74
Ooh, some personal drama is inc.

But yeah, Protoss had this 100%
maize
Profile Joined August 2010
United States38 Posts
April 08 2011 21:12 GMT
#75
On April 09 2011 05:53 YueY. wrote:
Wow, this is pretty funny, my friend told me about this thread and I read almost the entire thing and couldn't stop laughing, I mean was it really that big of a deal you needed to make a thread on tl about this dude? I mean it was annoying because this is what happened, yesterday the servers were shutting down on the NA server, and it gave updates like "20 minutes before server shut down" "10 minutes, 5 minutes etc" when our game was going on, so at the very end, I knew the servers were gonna shut down soon so I was about to attack him, I mean I probably would have attacked him anyway even if the servers weren't shutting down, but I thought he was just being a dick and not leaving the game when it was clearly over so he could maybe get a free win from me if I disconnected, and I did disconnect and thats why I said those things, I mean I didn't really care all that much...it was just annoying knowing I was JUST ABOUT to win and then the server shut down haha, I was just kinda like "whatever thats lame, but its not that big of a deal" I mean it was just a ladder game, not the TSL or something. I just find it hilarious you actually made a thread about this, it seems like you cared WAYYYY more than I did haha, and I like how you make it seem like you werent bm to me after the game, I am not one for "starcraft drama" I could care less about you, or that game. You're just making a fool out of yourself with this thread, which is just priceless.


is quite a bit different from op's version, who is telling the truth?
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
April 08 2011 21:16 GMT
#76
Just think about it: if the protoss has still 1 probe left or a nexus, he has a high chance to win.
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
cuoongwhomy
Profile Joined March 2011
102 Posts
April 08 2011 21:17 GMT
#77
By build order. Clearly terran has an advantage in economy build order but 1rax is hard to defend against 3 gates.
=>it likes zvt. If zerg goes for hatch be4 pool, terran can't kill zerg. Zerg will has huge advantage and win game easily in mid game.
canucks12
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada812 Posts
April 08 2011 21:22 GMT
#78
If you played this perfectly, as in professional caliber, you may have a chance to win. However, you are not at that level. The other way that you could have won, would have been if your opponent completely mismicro'd.

On April 08 2011 07:08 spbelky wrote:
If he A moves to my base the way his army is set up, I will 1shot each unit as it comes streaming in lol... easily.


Basically, all he had to do was gather his troops, and he would have won the fight.
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
April 08 2011 21:29 GMT
#79
cant watch the replay can anyone sum up why the protoss shouldve won? if the terran won, what is there to argue? a game is a game, lag and things happen.
Jar Jar Binks
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
April 09 2011 02:52 GMT
#80
On April 09 2011 05:53 YueY. wrote:
Wow, this is pretty funny, my friend told me about this thread and I read almost the entire thing and couldn't stop laughing, I mean was it really that big of a deal you needed to make a thread on tl about this dude? I mean it was annoying because this is what happened, yesterday the servers were shutting down on the NA server, and it gave updates like "20 minutes before server shut down" "10 minutes, 5 minutes etc" when our game was going on, so at the very end, I knew the servers were gonna shut down soon so I was about to attack him, I mean I probably would have attacked him anyway even if the servers weren't shutting down, but I thought he was just being a dick and not leaving the game when it was clearly over so he could maybe get a free win from me if I disconnected, and I did disconnect and thats why I said those things, I mean I didn't really care all that much...it was just annoying knowing I was JUST ABOUT to win and then the server shut down haha, I was just kinda like "whatever thats lame, but its not that big of a deal" I mean it was just a ladder game, not the TSL or something. I just find it hilarious you actually made a thread about this, it seems like you cared WAYYYY more than I did haha, and I like how you make it seem like you werent bm to me after the game, I am not one for "starcraft drama" I could care less about you, or that game. You're just making a fool out of yourself with this thread, which is just priceless.

lol, it was hardly clearly over from his perspective, coz you are awful. He probably didn't even know what kind of army you had, much less what you were gonna do next.

This thread is interesting, but at the end of the day, the protoss did not deserve the win any more than the terran. You both played like shit, and the game could have gone either way in the end, because you both are awful. A game isn't over just coz you had arguably a better army when the server shut down. You definitely hadn't won yet, and I'm not confident you even could have managed to pull out a win. This isn't BM; this is the truth.

So the OP is kinda fun to talk about, but neither of you won the game. Obviously, haha.
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