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Xeris made great points in his post.
I would like to add a few things that would speed up the tournament and improve the experience more:
- 4 sound proof booths on the main stage. That way players can already start to prep and arrange their setup prior to their match while another is going on the mainstage. The 2 booths being preps should have minimum lighting as not to disturb the players and spectators on the ongoing match.
- Entrance music/player intros where they can walk down the aisles and acknowledge their fans before playing on the mainstage.
That's only a few suggestions.
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illsick
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On April 05 2011 01:48 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 01:37 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I think booths (real soundproof ones) would solve some of the bigger concerns people are having, with the no live cast due to players hearing the commentators business....
I really can't be that much of an expense can it? The problem would be how much space the booths use on the trucks they use to travel with their equipment to the event sites. The space for equipment was their reasoning for not providing seating for the SC2 spectator area in last year events. Naniwa looked like he used in-ear headphones plus construction site ear protectors for the noise. That would be the cheapest solution. Make sure to notify every competitor that they should be prepared to use in-ear headphones for when they have to play on stage.
Rent another truck for them? lol
You make it sound like MLG is some small company. They weren't able to have space for equipment last year but they do this year (it's an excuse btw).
MLG can afford both in-ear headphones and the booths, they are not some basement lan.
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very nice points, I agree with the OP 100% on this.
MLG needs to seriously reorganize itself if it plans to be involved in the e-sports scene, otherwise there will come bigger and better tournaments.
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I like all of the ideas from OP, especially extra 2 computers so they don't have down time to set up.
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On April 05 2011 02:12 hitman133 wrote:
I like all of the ideas from OP, especially extra 2 computers so they don't have down time to set up.
well that shouldnt be a problem seeing how they decided to put in like 100+ alienware pc's for the event itself
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On April 05 2011 02:10 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 01:48 Ropid wrote:On April 05 2011 01:37 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I think booths (real soundproof ones) would solve some of the bigger concerns people are having, with the no live cast due to players hearing the commentators business....
I really can't be that much of an expense can it? The problem would be how much space the booths use on the trucks they use to travel with their equipment to the event sites. The space for equipment was their reasoning for not providing seating for the SC2 spectator area in last year events. Naniwa looked like he used in-ear headphones plus construction site ear protectors for the noise. That would be the cheapest solution. Make sure to notify every competitor that they should be prepared to use in-ear headphones for when they have to play on stage. Rent another truck for them? lol You make it sound like MLG is some small company. They weren't able to have space for equipment last year but they do this year (it's an excuse btw). MLG can afford both in-ear headphones and the booths, they are not some basement lan.
That was what Mr. Sundance said when he was on SotG last year (the space problem). It does not mean I approve of their decision making. It's just that they know of the booth suggestion and I'm guessing there is zero chance they will implement it. 
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MLG is notorious for cutting corners and delays. For any of you who followed MLG WoW tournaments they were plagued with similar problems and always started hours late. The problem is despite the many issues MLG had they always managed to put out just enough content that the majority of people were not up in arms and disgusted. It was only a matter of time until the shit hit the fan, everyone following WoW and into last years SC2 tournaments knew it.
- Start on time. Nobody gives a shit if your 5 minutes late but starting broadcasts habitually hours late just shows that YOU don't give a shit; for anyone that forgot not a single MLG SC2 tournament last year actually started streaming on time.
- 40+ minute breaks need to go. We had these all through WoW and people complained, last year in SC2 people complained. Seems like no effort was made, even in day 3 when the stream was fine for the most part you just managed to fill it with dead air or casters bullshitting (I like to hear day9 bullshit as much as the next guy but hours of it start to get to me).
-Show that you care. Putting a good-looking woman out to give a trite apology and the half-assed award ceremony (well it was pretty much full-assed) looked terrible. I realize Sundance apologized in person on day 3 but even that apology sounded like it was read straight off a script card. Do those things really matter in the grand scheme of things? No, but they show that you really don't give a shit.
-Why was getting proper internet (a sat truck) too expensive but then all of a sudden it was feasible once shit really hit the fan in day 2? Are we trying to give the viewers the best experience possible like you say or cut corners?
-Why was it acceptable for people not to be offered refunds at the end of a terrible day 1 but then after day 2 being even worse you decided to? Is 2 out 3 days of ok broadcasting par for the course and only when we sink below even that we apologize and offer refunds? Notice how in day 1 there was no apology for the several hour delay in starting, only when things hit rock bottom is anything said.
-Do you realize how it makes you look when players come out in interviews and plainly say they heard what the other guy was doing? GSL was embarrassed and took multiple immediate steps to correct this as soon as it was brought to light along with publicly acknowledging and apologizing for the issue. Instead MLG said nothing, and did hardly anything, and the one thing they did do was not giving the audience audio of the casters, people who paid to get into the event.
-For people saying Sundance is not to blame I have to disagree. He hired the people who ran the event. He also knows what their past performances and problems have been like. Well personally he may not be to blame for the many problems he has allowed a culture of incompetence and letting things slip to persist first in WoW and now in SC2 and unless he takes a really good look at his staff and makes some painful decisions things may very well continue down this path for him.
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I agree with the sane few in this thread that LAN is not required in order to host a decent tournament. What IS required is a proper network that can handle video streaming, along with a reliable ISP. From others based in Dallas the ISP wasn't the issue, it was MLG's network setup that was the cause of the lag, delays, etc.
Sure LAN would be nice, but let's not harp on that as the only solution. There have been enough GSLs, IEMs and DreamHacks held since SC2's release to show that it is more than possible to run a tournament without the catastrophic results that seem to plague MLG events.
With the NASL and IGN leagues soon to set sail, we can only hope that their productions are noteworthy for all the reasons MLG's production should have been.
If there is one positive to take from MLG: Dallas, it's how awesome the SC community is - video provided by Mr. Bitter and hotbit provided great insight into the tourney from the player's pov. And of course this site provided minute-by-minute results from the tourney that MLG couldn't seem to provide on their own site.
MLG: I still cannot find on your site a completed bracket showing where all the SC2 players finished. 
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Sound proofing should not be that difficult or expensive--just make the players wear in-
ear headphones with these over them:
http://www.amazon.com/Bilsom-1010924-Leightning-Headband-Earmuffs/dp/B003MOVQ0Y
A cheap and effective way to prevent the players from hearing the casts. I also think they need to have big screen TVs over a third of the player area instead of just two stations and the main stage. There are so many good games to watch.
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On April 05 2011 02:31 Duravi wrote:
MLG is notorious for cutting corners and delays. For any of you who followed MLG WoW tournaments they were plagued with similar problems and always started hours late. The problem is despite the many issues MLG had they always managed to put out just enough content that the majority of people were not up in arms and disgusted. It was only a matter of time until the shit hit the fan, everyone following WoW and into last years SC2 tournaments knew it.
- Start on time. Nobody gives a shit if your 5 minutes late but starting broadcasts habitually hours late just shows that YOU don't give a shit; for anyone that forgot not a single MLG SC2 tournament last year actually started streaming on time.
- 40+ minute breaks need to go. We had these all through WoW and people complained, last year in SC2 people complained. Seems like no effort was made, even in day 3 when the stream was fine for the most part you just managed to fill it with dead air or casters bullshitting (I like to hear day9 bullshit as much as the next guy but hours of it start to get to me).
-Show that you care. Putting a good-looking woman out to give a trite apology and the half-assed award ceremony (well it was pretty much full-assed) looked terrible. I realize Sundance apologized in person on day 3 but even that apology sounded like it was read straight off a script card. Do those things really matter in the grand scheme of things? No, but they show that you really don't give a shit.
-Why was getting proper internet (a sat truck) too expensive but then all of a sudden it was feasible once shit really hit the fan in day 2?
-Why was it acceptable for people not to be offered refunds at the end of a terrible day 1 but then after day 2 being even worse you decided to? Is 2 out 3 days of ok broadcasting par for the course and only when we sink below even that we apologize and offer refunds? Notice how in day 1 there was no apology for the several hour delay in starting, only when things hit rock bottom is anything said.
-Do you realize how it makes you look when players come out in interviews and plainly say they heard what the other guy was doing? GSL was embarrassed and took multiple immediate steps to correct this as soon as it was brought to light along with publicly acknowledging and apologizing for the issue. Instead MLG said nothing, and did hardly anything, and the one thing they did do was not giving the audience audio of the casters, people who paid to get into the event.
-For people saying Sundance is not to blame I have to disagree. He hired the people who ran the event. He also knows what their past performances and problems have been like. Well personally he may not be to blame for the many problems he has allowed a culture of incompetence and letting things slip to persist first in WoW and now in SC2 and unless he takes a really good look at his staff and makes some painful decisions things may very well continue down this path for him.
Thanks for typing that out for me ^_^ was typing up a response that looked a lot like this. Looks like you said most of what I had wanted too. It's really sad and imo bad for e-sports to have MLG being the only large NA SC2 event that is not played completely/mostly on the internet. I feel so bad for first time viewers and the people who were blatantly ripped off and fed a scripted apology only after 2 days of complete and utter failure. Thanks MLG for setting E-sports back in NA.... again...
Maybe after MLG pulls their collective heads out their butt's and starts taking this seriously, ie; get a tech crew who knows what they are doing , allocate resources accordingly (it took not even a full MLG tour for SC2 to over-shadow EVERY GAME IN MLG), and lastly ...
DONT PISS IN OUR POCKET AND TELL US ITS RAINING! its not B.net or not having LAN its MLG's epic failure that they consider a "Live event" that discusting POS.
Just remember that in a couple months we will be able to ACTUALLY watch the MLG Dallas 2011 games on VoD's when the Youtube'rs start casting them.
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Heres my feedback:
The stream wouldnt work for me when I tried.
The Replays are hard to find.
Its monday, I wanted to watch the Sheth vs QXC match. Its not available.
Not much of a fan of MLG now.
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I think that companies like MLG should really pressure Blizzard more to implement LAN-support... Those disc's in the middle of a 15+ Minute-Game are really ridiculous and not only hurt SC2, but also MLG!
Besides that and of course the Stream going down all the time, the Tournament was quite good... Kinda sad to see a Top-4 of 3 Toss and 1 Terran, although there were very good Zergs like Idra, Ret, Haypro, Machine etc.
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It would be nice if the bracket on the site used known player IDs instead of MLG forum names. Makes following the tourney easier and is something I think would be simple to do.
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On April 05 2011 02:57 MapleFractal wrote:
Thanks for typing that out for me ^_^ was typing up a response that looked a lot like this. Looks like you said most of what I had wanted too. It's really sad and imo bad for e-sports to have MLG being the only large NA SC2 event that is not played completely/mostly on the internet. I feel so bad for first time viewers and the people who were blatantly ripped off and fed a scripted apology only after 2 days of complete and utter failure. Thanks MLG for setting E-sports back in NA.... again...
Why are people so upset by the 'scripted' apology. If you want to see Sundance's emotional response to the problems check out his Twitter. Writing down what he wanted to say first makes perfect sense, there'd have been even more of an outcry if he'd somehow messed up his live, unscripted apology.
On April 05 2011 02:57 MapleFractal wrote:
Just remember that in a couple months we will be able to ACTUALLY watch the MLG Dallas 2011 games on VoD's when the Youtube'rs start casting them.
iCCuptv will be casting 4 hours of MLG replays tonight, and same again each Monday for the next few weeks. So rather than a couple of months it will have taken about 24 hours...
What is it about a feedback thread people don't get? Stop shitting on MLG (they already know it was a bad event) and offer concrete suggestions as to what they can do to improve the next event.
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This list is almost exactly what I was writing up myself. Nice! If only they would listen.
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I'm too lazy to read the entire thread, but aside from the major lists -- something that has been bugging me about a LOT of American coverage is the colors.
The games are always so dark, and it makes it much more difficult for me to watch. GSL has it 100% right, keeping everything bright and clear.
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I feel so stupid when I realise how much money MLG most likely makes and how they treat the gaming community.
- 70$ fee for the players, 70*200=14k, so the player already pay the pricepool
- prob. 5-10k SC2 viewers who pay for HQ: 50-100k (i know there is a refund now, but that was the plan)
- tons of Ads
I honestly feel that players and viewers should boycott MLG and support organizations who treat players and viewers more fairly and just don't try make as much money as possible no matter what the effects are.
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Basically MLG was DJwheat and Day9 talking to each other for 3 days after showing 2 games total. Nice 3 day day9 daily.... -_-
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I was thinkin about making a thread about this. Great to see I wasn't the only one.
One thing I like to add as a idea:
in between games I wanna see some more of the tournament.
for example:
Give a cheapskate compact camera to a pro (Best if a player is out of the tournament, so hes relaxed). Let him walk around the tournament area with it. he shows where the TL team is chilling in between games he takes a little interview with a random visitor about his thoughts... Asks a HALO dude what he thinks of starcraft 2, asks the tournament director what game he liked most. He shows what drink Naniwa has.. etc, etc!
IMO, content like this would be super easy to fix but would add a TON to the offline/lan feeling for the guys on stream.
Discus!
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Does your bnet profile save your settings? because if it doesn't i really think it should be added. It would help with the downtime in between games.
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