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On April 05 2011 09:09 Venality wrote:I have a small question, and I am really sorry if this is not the right place to post it, just seemed like it didn't need its own thread (I am new here and frustrating people is not what I am interested in  ). I picked up SC2 the day it came out, and it is the first real RTS I have played. I played a little in season 1 with Protoss, and got to know the ropes, though I only played about 12 games total in season 1. Now with the release of season 2, I am interested in learning to play Zerg, but am not succeeding with it so far. I have played matches, and lost all but one of them. I am thinking of going back to Protoss just because I know the race a little better, but I am more interested in playing Zerg in reality. I am just getting frustrated doing nothing but losing. I would just like some opinions on which race I should choose. Should I go with Protoss because of my short RTS/Starcraft backround, or just try and stick it out with Zerg and hopefully pick up on it sooner or later? Thanks for all the help everyone, and sorry if this seems like I can't make a decision on my own. Venality
I think that you should stick to Protoss or even go Terran, since you are a new player.
I'm new to RTS games in general myself, and I play Terran. Terran is the easiest race for a new player to learn in my opinion. I would say Zerg is the hardest, especially because it takes a lot of macro and attention to detail, such as when to make workers, and when to make units.
I've tried changing to Zerg myself, but I just had a very hard time with it, I figure I might be able to pick it up after I get a bit more seasoned in Starcraft 2.
You might even consider playing random for awhile until you have decided on a race that you feel you work best with.
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On April 05 2011 09:09 Venality wrote:I have a small question, and I am really sorry if this is not the right place to post it, just seemed like it didn't need its own thread (I am new here and frustrating people is not what I am interested in ). I picked up SC2 the day it came out, and it is the first real RTS I have played. I played a little in season 1 with Protoss, and got to know the ropes, though I only played about 12 games total in season 1. Now with the release of season 2, I am interested in learning to play Zerg, but am not succeeding with it so far. I have played matches, and lost all but one of them. I am thinking of going back to Protoss just because I know the race a little better, but I am more interested in playing Zerg in reality. I am just getting frustrated doing nothing but losing. I would just like some opinions on which race I should choose. Should I go with Protoss because of my short RTS/Starcraft backround, or just try and stick it out with Zerg and hopefully pick up on it sooner or later? Thanks for all the help everyone, and sorry if this seems like I can't make a decision on my own. Venality
I hear what you are saying, but don't give up on the swarm !
A few things that differentiates Zerg play from Protoss play IMO:
Attacking: Get used to surrounding and hitting enemy armies from all angles as opposed to hitting your enemy's army head on. Getting a proper surround is usually the difference in a battle for a Zerg player.
Production: Timing is important; such as knowing when to drone up and knowing when to produce military units. Screwing up either of these can cost you many games as a Zerg player as your worker production building is the same as your unit production building. (Hatachary
Harass: Don't leave your opponent alone, especially as Zerg. You never want a Terran or Protoss to get a 200/200 army if you can help it.
I'll just end by saying I've gotten the most satisfaction winning with Zerg, there is something about smashing faces with Zerg that keeps this game fresh for me.
TL;DR - Zerg is rewarding once you play with it long enough, stick with it !
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On April 05 2011 09:09 Venality wrote:I have a small question, and I am really sorry if this is not the right place to post it, just seemed like it didn't need its own thread (I am new here and frustrating people is not what I am interested in ). I picked up SC2 the day it came out, and it is the first real RTS I have played. I played a little in season 1 with Protoss, and got to know the ropes, though I only played about 12 games total in season 1. Now with the release of season 2, I am interested in learning to play Zerg, but am not succeeding with it so far. I have played matches, and lost all but one of them. I am thinking of going back to Protoss just because I know the race a little better, but I am more interested in playing Zerg in reality. I am just getting frustrated doing nothing but losing. I would just like some opinions on which race I should choose. Should I go with Protoss because of my short RTS/Starcraft backround, or just try and stick it out with Zerg and hopefully pick up on it sooner or later? Thanks for all the help everyone, and sorry if this seems like I can't make a decision on my own. Venality
Go check mrbitter's vods, those early ones are great for new players like you.
http://www.mrbitter.blip.tv/
Trying to coach you here is pretty pointless. Advice from me: use the builds machine used in those vods, focus on not botching them in the game. Practice your build orders/larva vomiting/creep spreading in vs. AI games. Don't be bothered by losses, there will be a lot more of them.
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i was wondering if the NASL matches were going to appear on liquibet? that would be interesting.
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Does guardian shield still reduce damage of a hydra/ or roach even if the hydra or roach does its "melee" animation attack?
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Yeah, because roaches/hydras doesn't have melee attack.
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3 words:
What the [word of choice]?!?!?!
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I was just watching Tyler's stream and had a quick question. When he sent a probe to mine, it looked as though he clicked one patch and then clicked another closer one. Did he shift-click it to ensure that he would maximize the number of probes mining from the close patches? I just try to set the rally point to the closest patch with only 1 worker, but that doesn't work if the timing is off and the probe just goes to another patch.
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On April 06 2011 08:24 Nidoa wrote:
i was wondering if the NASL matches were going to appear on liquibet? that would be interesting.
99% sure they wont. MLG or IEM matches dont appear, so dont think NASL would be special.
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On April 06 2011 20:58 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 08:24 Nidoa wrote:
i was wondering if the NASL matches were going to appear on liquibet? that would be interesting. 99% sure they wont. MLG or IEM matches dont appear, so dont think NASL would be special.
MLG or IEM are 3-4 day tournaments.
New pairings are decided 1-2 hours before the next match. Impossible to liquibet.
Pretty sure, NASL will be on liquibet.
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On April 06 2011 21:22 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 20:58 Deadlyfish wrote:On April 06 2011 08:24 Nidoa wrote:
i was wondering if the NASL matches were going to appear on liquibet? that would be interesting. 99% sure they wont. MLG or IEM matches dont appear, so dont think NASL would be special. MLG or IEM are 3-4 day tournaments. New pairings are decided 1-2 hours before the next match. Impossible to liquibet. Pretty sure, NASL will be on liquibet.
Hmm good point.
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On April 06 2011 04:03 VAGZ wrote:I'm watching IdrA's stream and noticed that he is using a white-ish colored cursor when playing. How did he mange to get that? A print of it: http://oi56.tinypic.com/349ccw4.jpg
Nobody?
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So not sure if this should have its own thread or not so ill start the discussion here. In day 9 daily # 252 on fundamental mechanics Day9 talks about using hot keys and image keys to move around the map rather than screen scrolling. However when I watch pro streams/replays from people like SeleCT Huk and IdrA I see a lot of them grabbing their view box on the mini map and scrolling that to the area they want to view. They do use the number hot keys to move from their army to unit producing structures but anything else is mini map scrolling. Is this just a bad habit that some pros have or does anyone know if mini map scrolling is faster than using your 10 number hot keys and 8 image hot keys to move about the map? The reason im asking is im focusing on increasing my APM (not spamming) but actually trying to get more things done per minute and would rather spend my time training the right way rather than developing a bad habit that I have to break myself of later on.
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On April 06 2011 09:10 Essentia wrote:
Does guardian shield still reduce damage of a hydra/ or roach even if the hydra or roach does its "melee" animation attack?
Yeah, it's what lagbzz said (or at least I'm 99% sure). The change in animation for the Roach and Hydra are just an animation change, not the attack type change. I think it would maybe make more sense to have it count as a melee when in that range so that you could do more damage by running your units up into the guardian shield, but that would probably open up a whole balance discussion
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On April 07 2011 04:03 SC2-Dethklok wrote:
So not sure if this should have its own thread or not so ill start the discussion here. In day 9 daily # 252 on fundamental mechanics Day9 talks about using hot keys and image keys to move around the map rather than screen scrolling. However when I watch pro streams/replays from people like SeleCT Huk and IdrA I see a lot of them grabbing their view box on the mini map and scrolling that to the area they want to view. They do use the number hot keys to move from their army to unit producing structures but anything else is mini map scrolling. Is this just a bad habit that some pros have or does anyone know if mini map scrolling is faster than using your 10 number hot keys and 8 image hot keys to move about the map? The reason im asking is im focusing on increasing my APM (not spamming) but actually trying to get more things done per minute and would rather spend my time training the right way rather than developing a bad habit that I have to break myself of later on.
Well I would say don't trust replays, as much. They do this weird thing, where if i were to recall a camera-save or jump to a control group instantaneously, and you happened to watch the replay from my point of view, it would look like i scrolled really fast across the screen to get to my objective. When infact i didn't actually do that.
However if your noticing Pros on streams do an excessive amount of scrolling i would say it is a flaw in their play. You can do things a lot more efficiently via control groups.
Once your hands pick up on using all your control groups and camera saves. It is the fastest way, for almost all tasks.
I would say despite what your seeing from the pros you should strive to scroll the least amount possible. if you have to scroll make sure your not scrolling more than a half screen over, because if you are then a camera save would have been the better option.
+ Show Spoiler +personally i'm actually quite good at not having to scroll anywhere, and because my i use my control groups to get around the map i rarely have to click the mini map even. Infact i would consider this my biggest strength.
I play Zerg. Not sure if that makes it a bit easier to rely purely on control groups. Though Here is what i do.
1-4 queens
1 main, 2 nat, 3 third, 4 fourth. Any extra bases can be placed on a camera save.
5-7 army. 8 hatches, 9 Creep queen, 0 Overseer (offensive)
Camera Save - Rally points, Upgrade structures (Evos / Spire), Paths of creep distant from my queen.
Not that you should copy me, your hotkeys should be fitted to you. The point is i pretty much have a control group or a camera save anywhere i could want to look.
You should try to make your hotkeys capable of doing the same.
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is there a place where I can watch the MLG vods? not the replays. specifically the games idra played against huk
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@Cyanocyst
thanks for the reply much appreciated :D
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I'm sorry if this isn't the right place for it - but can someone help me find a game?
It was in the GSL and it was a game LosirA was in. Tasteless and Artosis were talking about how amazing it would be to be coached by NesTea, saying things like: "and then he's like. 'No. You do it like this', and then he like ... puts his hand on yours and shows you how to do it."
I'm pretty sure it was in the series against Zenex. If anyone knows which game I'm talking about, please tell me!
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On April 07 2011 04:03 SC2-Dethklok wrote:
So not sure if this should have its own thread or not so ill start the discussion here. In day 9 daily # 252 on fundamental mechanics Day9 talks about using hot keys and image keys to move around the map rather than screen scrolling. However when I watch pro streams/replays from people like SeleCT Huk and IdrA I see a lot of them grabbing their view box on the mini map and scrolling that to the area they want to view. They do use the number hot keys to move from their army to unit producing structures but anything else is mini map scrolling. Is this just a bad habit that some pros have or does anyone know if mini map scrolling is faster than using your 10 number hot keys and 8 image hot keys to move about the map? The reason im asking is im focusing on increasing my APM (not spamming) but actually trying to get more things done per minute and would rather spend my time training the right way rather than developing a bad habit that I have to break myself of later on.
I think you *may* be talking about something slightly different.
What Day9 said was a terrible, terrible idea was scrolling your screen by moving your mouse to the edge of the window and having the screen scroll that way.
That takes a *lot* more time and and mouse movemnt than clicking on the right place on the minimap, and that's what I gathered was the big big no-no.
So use hotkeys whenever you can - whenever it's an area you'll be going to often. For other places, just click on the minimap in the right place. (And remember - if you're watching a replay, it sometimes does this stupid thing where it 'smooths out' the camera movement - even if you clicked somewhere on the minimap, the replay will show you quickly scrolling there.)
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On April 07 2011 00:19 VAGZ wrote:Nobody?
It's a by product of the streaming software. IdrA's cursor doesn't look like that in game, only on the stream.
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