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On April 02 2011 06:06 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 05:55 riboflavin wrote:On April 02 2011 05:51 Vei wrote:
Didn't they say they'll be giving replays? 25$ for what is essentially Code B or Code C... I might still buy it, provided there's a lot of content. Unless IdrA gets elimd in the first round ;] There was a quote from iNcontrol about how they internally talked about trying to charge for replay downloads, but since they couldn't keep people from stealing it once one person paid they felt that there was no point. Never mind that replays is something we want -- If they can't make a buck off it then why bother, right? Not that I think it is their responsibility anyway. This is just another example of how they talk themselves into looking less than awesome when they didn't have to. Yeah... I mean really they should provide the replays. They'd be the first major tournament to do so and it'd be AWESOME to be able to watch the replays of epic games that we, as viewers, love and want to learn from. Just because they're shareable isn't reason to fuck over paying customers =/
MLG provides replays already.
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On April 02 2011 06:05 floor exercise wrote:
Movies cost millions of dollars to make, sometimes hundreds of millions. By the logic displayed in this thread movie tickets should at least be $10,000
By this logic how much does NASL cost to run and then wouldn't NASL HD pass be cheaper than $25 since a movie costs millions of dollars but they only charge $10-$20. You have to look at the NASL 3 month run as 1 event like you go to the movie 1 time.
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I just ordered my ticket. I consider it supporting the community.
If TL offered a yearly membership for $25 or something, with exclusive benefits, and all proceeds going to improve the website/tsl tourneys, etc. I'm certain there would be tons of people donating to that.
Foreigner SC2 is my favorite form of sc2, and this directly supports it.
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Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL.
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On April 02 2011 06:05 SnuggleZhenya wrote:
I've voted I will pay, but I will of course wait until the final details are given before I actually buy. I'd rather end up paying 25 later for something I'm 100% sure I want, than 20 now only to find out there is some hidden snag.
That being said, very excited for NASL!! It'll be the first SC2 eSports event I pay for, assuming all goes to plan.
I'm very excited for the NASL, but I find it bizarre that you'd overlook paying for the GSL or GTSL, which have peerless production values, casting, and level of play, but would consider the NASL, which relatively speaking is an unknown quantity.
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On April 02 2011 06:08 tezukazone wrote:
Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL.
The NASL is not the "minor leagues" of SCII. It is easily the 2nd or 3rd most stacked pool of players of all competitions.
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Ok, I've subscribed! As people have already pointed out the rate is on a par with any premium sports channel subscription that may give you only a few hours a week of quality content. There's a few things I noticed though. There's no confirmation that the $5 reduction has been applied, anywhere. It is very bad to charge a card without showing a final total. Also there's also no option to charge in my local currency so as to avoid expensive currency fees which are £2.50 plus a few % with my bank, that will come to about 25% of the transaction total in additional fees and far worse than any rate paypal would apply.
I suspect justintv's payments system is in a fledgling stage so if you can pass back this feedback it would be great.
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On April 02 2011 06:07 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:05 floor exercise wrote:
Movies cost millions of dollars to make, sometimes hundreds of millions. By the logic displayed in this thread movie tickets should at least be $10,000 The potential market for a movie with a budget of more than one hundred million is far greater than the NASL.
Potential and actual market size are not the same thing. Technically the online distribution model of the NASL has greater potential since their customer base is limited to having a PC and internet while movies are geographically restricted to people who have access to a theater.
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On April 02 2011 06:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Bad move making it all one big payment. If they would have made it $6 or $7 a month, a whole lot more people would have voted yes that they will buy it.
If you think $25 is a lot of money than you likely don't have a screen that could handle 1080p anyway.
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On April 02 2011 06:08 tezukazone wrote:
Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL.
NASL is not the minor leagues of starcraft2.... your comparisons are waaaaay off lol
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On April 02 2011 05:58 spacemunkee wrote:
More expensive than what? GSL charges $10 for 3 weeks worth of content. MLG charges $10 for 3 days worth of content. NASL is charging $25 for 3 MONTHS of content. It is cheapest ticket in town!
It's pretty silly to count that way. You can't count the whole time span as content.
GSL could stretch their matches to 6 month instead of 3 weeks. This tells you nothing about the production quality, the casting quality or the number of games.
As I said before, no one can tell yet, if this will be a good deal or not.
We'll have to wait and see.
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On April 02 2011 06:07 deerpark87 wrote:
I think most people here aren't totally "cheap". I didn't support gomtv untill season 2+ because i wasn't sure of the quality. There are people like me that was not please with the showmatch quality of "Clash of titan with Jinro+Idra". Check the vods if you don't remember but it was laggy+ out of sync delay commentating. That is why i want to wait to see the production qualities before i support them.
The showmatch was an issue, but part of that was the fact it was cast from replies.
Many people have issues with the fact this isn't "Live"
But it is casted live. incontrol and gretorp will be in the game commentating as the game is played in real time.
Afterwards it will go to production to add interviews, analysis, commercials, transistions, whatever else they have planned.
They're will not be random down time of waiting for battle net to work, or players to set up like the GSL, they are focusing on production quality, so i expect it to be great.
Not to mention casting live games that aren't at a live lan event can create serious issues (cheating)
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On second thought, alot of the players that I watch GSL for are actually in the NASL, so I might just watch the NASL instead. It'll depend on the production value and the reliability of the service, though. I mean, GOM isn't exactly fantastic at production value, but at least it's live, so that kinda makes up for it, being able to see the players reactions to wins/losses adds a human factor into esports that it can sometimes lack. I don't mind watching most of the season non-live, but they'll have to do at least as well as GOM does, and I don't see why they can't, if they can put a 400k prize pool up!
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I'm currently thinking I'll wait for season 2, or at least till we've seen a round or two.
If the production values and the whole league is up to par, I'll be happy to support it, commercials or not. But if its anything like "Clash of the Titans", I'll pass.
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Why is everyone saying something like
On April 02 2011 04:39 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
25$ is minimal for the amount of content that you are getting
We have no idea what kind of content we will get! Sure, its 3 months/season, but that doesnt say anything about the amount/qualitiy we get.
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On April 02 2011 06:09 Klonere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:08 tezukazone wrote:
Sorry but ...if you pay 150$ for NBA league pass, you get to watch a full season. You wouldn't pay the same amount of $150 for a NBA D-league pass, regardless if the season was twice as long. Sports and competitive games are more fun to watch when played at the highest levels.. and NASL is basically the minor leagues of starcraft2, so if they want people to pay there needs to be much better reasons justifying the equivalent price tag to GSL. The NASL is not the "minor leagues" of SCII. It is easily the 2nd or 3rd most stacked pool of players of all competitions.
just like NBA D-league, or the European basketball league, are not the "minor" leagues of basketball. They are just the 2nd and 3rd best.
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On April 02 2011 06:08 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:06 Vei wrote:On April 02 2011 05:55 riboflavin wrote:On April 02 2011 05:51 Vei wrote:
Didn't they say they'll be giving replays? 25$ for what is essentially Code B or Code C... I might still buy it, provided there's a lot of content. Unless IdrA gets elimd in the first round ;] There was a quote from iNcontrol about how they internally talked about trying to charge for replay downloads, but since they couldn't keep people from stealing it once one person paid they felt that there was no point. Never mind that replays is something we want -- If they can't make a buck off it then why bother, right? Not that I think it is their responsibility anyway. This is just another example of how they talk themselves into looking less than awesome when they didn't have to. Yeah... I mean really they should provide the replays. They'd be the first major tournament to do so and it'd be AWESOME to be able to watch the replays of epic games that we, as viewers, love and want to learn from. Just because they're shareable isn't reason to fuck over paying customers =/ MLG provides replays already.
oh really
well...still ;p
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On April 02 2011 06:03 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:00 riboflavin wrote:On April 02 2011 05:55 mprs wrote:On April 02 2011 05:42 motioncity wrote:
i dont even pay for GSL (which i should because that is the definitive league) and those games are actually live... Would you mind telling me how this makes a difference to you? It makes a huge difference. Watching the player reactions, their ceremonies, interviews right after the match. So yeah, it kinda matters... A LOT. I get why it isn't logistically feasible for NASL. It's also no accident they are flying in the top 16 guys for the final...they get the importance of having a true live event too. huh? That doesnt ven make sense. You can still see the player reactions, their ceremonies, and interviews right after the match. Just because it was pre-recorded doesnt mean they go in and edit everything out. there is literally no difference. If I lied to you, and had you believe it was live even though it was not, you most certainly wouldnt be able to tell the difference....
NASL will be casted live from prerecorded replays. There wont be any players on screen, because they're in totally separate locations. It doesn't really matter much to me, but it's probably best to be sure everyone is on the same page.
(EDIT: It looks like there are competing claims on this. We were initially told it would be casted from replays but more recent reports make it sound like they'll cast live and then stream the recording. Either way, players will be in different locations, not in a studio together.)
I'm really curious why people are so upset about advertising. Would you really rather stare at a blank screen for 5 min. between matches than watch a half dozen 30 second commercials for software or energy drinks? I can't imagine it makes any difference. They're not going to interrupt games for commercial breaks. Commercials help keep things so affordable. Hell, the free stream for NASL is supposedly going to be the same quality as the GSL HQ stream.
You really have to choose. Do you want a commercial free stream or decent production value?
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I am always lurking around these boards and thought I finally have something worthy to post on. For all of the people that are complaining about $20, this is why eSports will never take off. An NFL season pass is like $300 for about the same time (3 months). Every game has commercials but that is just a fact of life. If you want to see quality games, tournaments, players, etc. you have to support things like this. I will gladly pay my $20 dollars to support something I really enjoy. Alright, that is the end of my rant...
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I will happily pay for this.
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