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TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
March 28 2011 20:57 GMT
#201
On March 29 2011 05:13 whatthefat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 04:16 TimeSpiral wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:33 whatthefat wrote:
On March 29 2011 02:30 TimeSpiral wrote:
140 ish to 165 ish is AVG for me.

Of course, I saved the first one I did which is now logged as 176, or something :/

Screenshot of the 140 session
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Techniques:

(1)
Use your peripheral vision. Sensitivity to "movement" or "sudden changes" in your surroundings is higher in your peripheral vision.

(2)
Program a reaction, not a command. Feedback into your routine, "click on change," and your body will react automatically.

(3) Don't sit down and say, "okay, when is it going to change, oh! there it is! I should click ..." Your score will be bad.

(4) To avoid concentration, blur your eyes a tiny bit out of focus.

(5) Mitigate unnecessary resistance and setup a little "tension." Make sure the pivot of your wrist is not touching anything, but is "floating." This will allow you to snap-release the tension for a faster (read: more accurate) reaction.


Looking at your profile there, you have at least one pre-emptive score.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/userstats.php?uid=2138266

Given what is known in the reaction time literature, I'd be very surprised if you could achieve the same average over > 20 trials without at least one click before a stimulus appears, i.e., the "don't click until you see green again" message.


Yeah, anything less than 100ms is referred to by that site as "preemptive," or "lucky." And for the most part, I agree, but I do not rule out the possibility of those instances being largely pre-conscious reactions.

I can tell you that those super low scores, like "50" or so were me "trusting," in the reaction and just letting it happen. It was not me spamming the button and getting lucky.

To elaborate, when you look at the color green there is a series of pre-conscious routines triggered. Your brain grabs all the relevant data pertaining the the environmental signal, examines the array of values, and then informs your consciousness which allows for the cognition of green, or; you being aware of green.

To put it in simpler terms; your brain perceives and processes green before you are aware that you are seeing green. You can absolutely react prior to conscious awareness. You do it every day, all day.

I'm using the perception of green as an example because it is directly relative to the reaction speed test, however, you can really use anything you are familiar with; tree, car, sign, word, name, whatever ...

I've done the test four or five times, typically averaging 140 - 165 ish. I'd say the number of "preemptive" scores is roughly 50/50 with the "don't click until you see green again" response.


If you're regularly getting a "don't click until you see green again" then you're guessing to some extent, whether consciously or not. There have been a bazillion studies on human reaction times, and what you're describing is regularly seen. Without any guessing, it's not possible for humans to respond much more quickly than 200ms.


Well ...

Your last sentence is just not correct. But, I get what you're saying.

Many researchers have confirmed that reaction to sound is faster than reaction to light, with mean auditory reaction times being 140-160 msec and visual reaction times being 180-200 msec (Galton, 1899; Woodworth and Schlosberg, 1954; Fieandt et al., 1956; Welford, 1980; Brebner and Welford, 1980). Perhaps this is because an auditory stimulus only takes 8-10 msec to reach the brain (Kemp et al., 1973), but a visual stimulus takes 20-40 msec (Marshall et al., 1943). Reaction time to touch is intermediate, at 155 msec (Robinson, 1934). Differences in reaction time between these types of stimuli persist whether the subject is asked to make a simple response or a complex response (Sanders, 1998, p. 114).


For about 120 years, the accepted figures for mean simple reaction times for college-age individuals have been about 190 ms (0.19 sec) for light stimuli and about 160 ms for sound stimuli (Galton, 1899; Fieandt et al., 1956; Welford, 1980; Brebner and Welford, 1980). However, Eckner et al. (2010) reported that the reaction times of NCAA football players averaged 0.203 sec when determined with a simple falling meter stick but 0.268 sec when measured with a computer. Reaction times measured at Clemson are usually closer to 0.268 sec for a simple visual stimulus.


Source: A Literature Review on Reaction Time by Robert J. Kosinski Clemson University

http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.htm
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KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:05:31
March 28 2011 21:01 GMT
#202
Average 261 for me.
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
March 28 2011 21:03 GMT
#203
Wow, 281 after 5 clicks. Well, kinda expected, I never had much of a reaction.
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whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
March 28 2011 21:05 GMT
#204
On March 29 2011 05:57 TimeSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 05:13 whatthefat wrote:
On March 29 2011 04:16 TimeSpiral wrote:
On March 29 2011 03:33 whatthefat wrote:
On March 29 2011 02:30 TimeSpiral wrote:
140 ish to 165 ish is AVG for me.

Of course, I saved the first one I did which is now logged as 176, or something :/

Screenshot of the 140 session
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Techniques:

(1)
Use your peripheral vision. Sensitivity to "movement" or "sudden changes" in your surroundings is higher in your peripheral vision.

(2)
Program a reaction, not a command. Feedback into your routine, "click on change," and your body will react automatically.

(3) Don't sit down and say, "okay, when is it going to change, oh! there it is! I should click ..." Your score will be bad.

(4) To avoid concentration, blur your eyes a tiny bit out of focus.

(5) Mitigate unnecessary resistance and setup a little "tension." Make sure the pivot of your wrist is not touching anything, but is "floating." This will allow you to snap-release the tension for a faster (read: more accurate) reaction.


Looking at your profile there, you have at least one pre-emptive score.

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/userstats.php?uid=2138266

Given what is known in the reaction time literature, I'd be very surprised if you could achieve the same average over > 20 trials without at least one click before a stimulus appears, i.e., the "don't click until you see green again" message.


Yeah, anything less than 100ms is referred to by that site as "preemptive," or "lucky." And for the most part, I agree, but I do not rule out the possibility of those instances being largely pre-conscious reactions.

I can tell you that those super low scores, like "50" or so were me "trusting," in the reaction and just letting it happen. It was not me spamming the button and getting lucky.

To elaborate, when you look at the color green there is a series of pre-conscious routines triggered. Your brain grabs all the relevant data pertaining the the environmental signal, examines the array of values, and then informs your consciousness which allows for the cognition of green, or; you being aware of green.

To put it in simpler terms; your brain perceives and processes green before you are aware that you are seeing green. You can absolutely react prior to conscious awareness. You do it every day, all day.

I'm using the perception of green as an example because it is directly relative to the reaction speed test, however, you can really use anything you are familiar with; tree, car, sign, word, name, whatever ...

I've done the test four or five times, typically averaging 140 - 165 ish. I'd say the number of "preemptive" scores is roughly 50/50 with the "don't click until you see green again" response.


If you're regularly getting a "don't click until you see green again" then you're guessing to some extent, whether consciously or not. There have been a bazillion studies on human reaction times, and what you're describing is regularly seen. Without any guessing, it's not possible for humans to respond much more quickly than 200ms.


Well ...

Your last sentence is just not correct. But, I get what you're saying.

Show nested quote +
Many researchers have confirmed that reaction to sound is faster than reaction to light, with mean auditory reaction times being 140-160 msec and visual reaction times being 180-200 msec (Galton, 1899; Woodworth and Schlosberg, 1954; Fieandt et al., 1956; Welford, 1980; Brebner and Welford, 1980). Perhaps this is because an auditory stimulus only takes 8-10 msec to reach the brain (Kemp et al., 1973), but a visual stimulus takes 20-40 msec (Marshall et al., 1943). Reaction time to touch is intermediate, at 155 msec (Robinson, 1934). Differences in reaction time between these types of stimuli persist whether the subject is asked to make a simple response or a complex response (Sanders, 1998, p. 114).


Show nested quote +
For about 120 years, the accepted figures for mean simple reaction times for college-age individuals have been about 190 ms (0.19 sec) for light stimuli and about 160 ms for sound stimuli (Galton, 1899; Fieandt et al., 1956; Welford, 1980; Brebner and Welford, 1980). However, Eckner et al. (2010) reported that the reaction times of NCAA football players averaged 0.203 sec when determined with a simple falling meter stick but 0.268 sec when measured with a computer. Reaction times measured at Clemson are usually closer to 0.268 sec for a simple visual stimulus.


Show nested quote +
Source: A Literature Review on Reaction Time by Robert J. Kosinski Clemson University

http://biology.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.htm


I said "Without any guessing, it's not possible for humans to respond much more quickly than 200ms". This is correct and your sources corroborate this exactly (see bolded statements).
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Shaman.us
Profile Joined May 2010
United States319 Posts
March 28 2011 21:07 GMT
#205
107th with a 202 average, mid diamond...if that means anything
Shaman.233
mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:14:38
March 28 2011 21:12 GMT
#206
I'm about 280-290ms average and Bronze 1v1. Go figure.

Although this really is more of an explanation why I keep losing at the Jack Attack in YDKJ rather than why I'm bad at SC2. =P

EDIT: I did get a 3ms on one of my first couple attempts because my trigger finger twitched and I happened to get lucky. But I'm not counting that.
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
March 28 2011 21:12 GMT
#207
I'm around 240. I really see no correlation between SCII and reaction time; Starcraft isn't an FPS, it's more calculated.
Bonham
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada655 Posts
March 28 2011 21:14 GMT
#208
Apparently I have slow-ass reflexes.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 28 2011 21:16 GMT
#209
175ms average. I was getting 158-162ms on the ones I was really foced on, but then I blink or something and get 210ms.

Average stuff - Make sure to put your eyes to the scree nas close as possible to reduce travel time of light into your eyes.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45776 Posts
March 28 2011 21:16 GMT
#210
My fastest out of first 5 tries was 210... meh.

Cool stuff though
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:19:22
March 28 2011 21:19 GMT
#211
Anyone else notice the guy in #2 is oGsMC with 107ms? If that's real it would explain a lot.
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dambros
Profile Joined July 2010
Brazil432 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:24:45
March 28 2011 21:24 GMT
#212
I dunno if it has something to do with my monitor or it requires some technique w/e but its just impossible to get below 220 for me with an average of 250. I used to be a pretty good Q3A player and consider my reaction pretty fast.
No pain, no gain!
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-28 21:33:04
March 28 2011 21:30 GMT
#213
5 tries
average: 181.6

#43 on leader board

this isn't realistic to in-game reaction time at all.


---

edit:

second time doing it
attempts: 5
average: 147.2
St.Velten
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany222 Posts
March 28 2011 21:57 GMT
#214
246.8 first try - low Platinum
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
March 28 2011 22:21 GMT
#215
On March 29 2011 06:16 Skillz_Man wrote:
175ms average. I was getting 158-162ms on the ones I was really foced on, but then I blink or something and get 210ms.

Average stuff - Make sure to put your eyes to the scree nas close as possible to reduce travel time of light into your eyes.


what? You know light travels at 300 000km/s right? (about) not like 1 meter will change anything...

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Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
March 28 2011 22:27 GMT
#216
On March 29 2011 07:21 Patrio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 06:16 Skillz_Man wrote:
175ms average. I was getting 158-162ms on the ones I was really foced on, but then I blink or something and get 210ms.

Average stuff - Make sure to put your eyes to the scree nas close as possible to reduce travel time of light into your eyes.

what? You know light travels at 300 000km/s right? (about) not like 1 meter will change anything...

You never know, if you move from 0.4 m to 8 cm, that extra 0.00000107 ms (1.07 ns) might just give you the edge.
HalfnHalf
Profile Joined May 2010
United States90 Posts
March 28 2011 22:38 GMT
#217
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Try_Two_Beat_Me
Profile Joined September 2010
Czech Republic52 Posts
March 28 2011 23:18 GMT
#218
254 after 5 clicks

3100+ dia
AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
March 28 2011 23:22 GMT
#219
lol 250 - diamond - razer deathadder
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
March 28 2011 23:28 GMT
#220
On March 29 2011 07:21 Patrio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 06:16 Skillz_Man wrote:
175ms average. I was getting 158-162ms on the ones I was really foced on, but then I blink or something and get 210ms.

Average stuff - Make sure to put your eyes to the scree nas close as possible to reduce travel time of light into your eyes.


what? You know light travels at 300 000km/s right? (about) not like 1 meter will change anything...



Lol it was sarcasm ... But listen to the poster below you
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