EPTPeople can be good at something the first time they do it, but it will be because of something they have learned/done before hand that led into the new activity they are trying.
Practice makes perfect.
Is SC skill natural or trained? - Page 4
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
People can be good at something the first time they do it, but it will be because of something they have learned/done before hand that led into the new activity they are trying. Practice makes perfect. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1220 Posts
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
than being good at a subject. Some people its takes a little less to be "pro" with the subject some people it takes longer(for example math) so yes you can practise alot and eventually you will be good at it /thread that is why most of the non-sc2 population will not care about esports because they will just think these people just spend to much time infront of computers which is true | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:39 VoidEU wrote: My point was that those at the very top are putting in such much effort and you cant beat them with just pure practice, no matter how much time you put into it (because you simply doesn't have more time than they do). Perhaps my masters example was bad :/ You may not be able to become a bonjwa without some talent, but you can definitely be a very competitive player and still compete at a high level of play. Talent does come into play but it's definitely not something that's going to stop a gold level player from making it into platinum. | ||
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BuzzCraftTV
United States42 Posts
I know people who cant get out of bronze league who have played RTS for years, sc2 was my first real RTS and I started out in plat straight to diamond, some people have it, others just wont if youv been stuck in bronze for more than a week, and all you want is to rank up, just play something easier if your stuck in bronze and love sc2, then hell yeah buddy bronze it up :D | ||
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Eleaven
772 Posts
There is no evidence to suggest that any single person cannot train any part of their brain that people are assigning to "talent". whether thats strategical intelligence, it can be trained.. Whther its "natural coordination" it can be drilled... It's almost like people talking about "souls".. as long as theres a reason other than your own lack of effort its ok.. its ok.. Stop holding people back, and stop holding yourselves back by believing that some people are just better than you at just about everything. Imagine the world if everyone believed that hard work would put them at the top. It would be a better place. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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mynhauzen
Russian Federation30 Posts
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VoidEU
Sweden24 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:43 Canas wrote: You may not be able to become a bonjwa without some talent, but you can definitely be a very competitive player and still compete at a high level of play. Talent does come into play but it's definitely not something that's going to stop a gold level player from making it into platinum. Agreed. I'm not saying that you cant ever get out of gold if you aint talented. I'm just pointing out that talent does matter. To quote one above here. Hard work beats skill until skill works hard. Think about that. | ||
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EggYsc2
620 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:54 VoidEU wrote: Agreed. I'm not saying that you cant ever get out of gold if you aint talented. I'm just pointing out that talent does matter. To quote one above here. TALENT does not matter its how you PRACTISE the game if you continue to make the same mistakes you will continue to stay in the same league you are in if you use EFFECTIVE training there is no reason why you should not be at the top of the league | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:41 Let it Raine wrote: I don't believe in natural ability. People can be good at something the first time they do it, but it will be because of something they have learned/done before hand that led into the new activity they are trying. Practice makes perfect. West Africans are naturally better runners than people from Northern Europe. They have more fast twitch muscle fibers(better for sprinting than slow twitch), hence they are generally faster. No matter how hard you train you can't make slow twitch muscles fast twitch. Now speed can be trained and is but some people are going to be able to go just a bit faster. Jamaica a small country regularly produces world class sprinters, while a some larger countries don't have many. Some of this is nurture, but a lot is nature. The top 10 fastest mens 100 meter runners have all been African. Lots of facts that some people are genetically predisposed to be better at certain activities. No one is denying that you can get to a very high level with practice, but some people are going to be able to either get there easier or go past there. Just like running some people are going to have faster fingers naturally, better decision making, or more accurate fingers at the highest of high levels. | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/talent -_- http://www.8164.org/talent-vs-hard-work/ | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On March 22 2011 00:00 ChaseR wrote: ^ maybe your confusing natural talent with genetics Where else would natural talent come from? Elves? Pixies? What do you think "natural" means? | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
From the link you posted about talent a. Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On March 22 2011 00:00 ChaseR wrote: ^ maybe your confusing natural talent with genetics http://www.thefreedictionary.com/talent -_- http://www.8164.org/talent-vs-hard-work/ Where would talent come from if not from genetics? | ||
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goiflin
Canada1220 Posts
On March 22 2011 00:08 gruff wrote: Where would talent come from if not from genetics? Past experiences. Lack of head trauma. Autistic savants. | ||
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jmack
Canada285 Posts
Decision making and tactics are way under valued by the average starcraft 2 viewer. The "great" players are brilliant generals and battlefield manipulators and I honestly believe thats something that happens naturally. Ex. The current meta game has zerg players taking very quick thirds, in the gcpl tyler vs strelok, tyler's build and decision making with his units is above and beyond what would seem normal. + Show Spoiler + (Written from memory, sorry if off) His build gave him an army the size of a 4 gate, a little slower but with an expansion up. Designed presumably to punish the early third without being all-in. Ex: Incontrols game against ret in the same series (gcpl) saw him down in the game on metalopolis, however... + Show Spoiler + (Written from memory, sorry if off) Incontrol recognizing this, waited and baited ret into what looked to be an open field of attack, until the forcefields completely shifted the make of the battlefield, turning it into Incontrols favor. On point, this kind of understanding of battle and favorable positions is again, something I assume at least part of is natural. And of course + Show Spoiler + MC crushed July, with tactics/decision making alone. Hell he beat hydras with sentries via tactics, clearly this is kind of thing is special. In closing, I want to point out that people who excel at strategy games, generally do well at any of them once the physical conditions are met since there are a few natural characteristics that help this out. (Decisiveness, understanding, competitiveness...) The only real way, one would guess, to "train" these abilities is experience. So keep playing :D. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On March 22 2011 00:08 gruff wrote: Where would talent come from if not from genetics? 1. It might come from genes (not "genetics"). 2. It might be due to some other outside stimulation you received as a child. (More likely). | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
However, that is not to say that they cannot be overtaken. Somebody who lacks the natural skill to play can train themselves to play well, and can even surpass a naturally good player if they are skilled at learning (i.e. being a fast learner). When it comes down to questions like this, it's never black and white. There is overlap, and both exist concurrently. However, to believe that one can be trained to be identical in physical prowess to another is ludicrous, or that one can be trained to understand the game in an identical fashion to another. People's brains are different, and will never be the same; if that's not a natural difference, I don't know what is. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:37 dtz wrote: it is all training up until the highest level. People plateau at different levels though. But i do believe that only "gifted" ones can be Flash and Jaedong. Like not everyone who trains 24/7 and do their best can be as good as Jordan, Woods, Phelps, Bolt, Messi, Federer. Get into masters, sure everyone can. Win the GSL? Not so much. One thing that i dont think that people are taking into consideration, is that practice can be started at a very young age. If you're 20 today, then you might not be able to become Flash or Jaedong, but that's because you started too late. If you were raised from the day you were born to become the best starcraft player, i'm sure you'd be better than Flash. So a gold leaguer probably wont reach the level of Flash. But if that person had the exact same practice and exact same life as Flash then i think he would be as good. | ||
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