EPTIs SC skill natural or trained? - Page 28
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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svi
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On October 09 2011 01:13 Big J wrote: reflexes can be trained, IQ/math can be trained... Denying that means that you're hiding behind the fact that you are a lazy. If people with an artificial leg can run 100m under 11sec, I don't accept that someone blames "bad luck to be born with low IQ", for being unable to do whatever they want. When you see a retarded guy with 60 IQ in a mental institution struggling to learn basic arithmetic, it's crazy arrogant to say that it's because he's lazy, instead it's because he lost in the genetic lottery. Yes reflexes and math skills can be trained but to what extent? There are people who are world class mathematicians when they're 16 years old like Gauss and there have been prodigies who were able to do calculus when they're 4 years old (a korean kid). You really think that this isn't because of genetics? We also have MMA fighters who are the best in their field while training only for 3 years (Jon Jones) and that's against people who have been training for 5 times longer. Learning speed is different for everyone. We all have a insuperable barrier and that barrier is our genetics. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 09 2011 01:25 Cruncharoo wrote: So really the only thing stopping you from being the next Einstein is hard work? Shame on you I don't see a reason why I would want to become a such, especially when I meet people just as intelligent and dedicated to their work as Einstein was everyday at the university, but they don't get anything back from life, apart from being one of the best in their respective fields. But I'm really sorry for you, if you think you're already the best you can be or at least close to that. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 09 2011 01:45 svi wrote: When you see a retarded guy with 60 IQ in a mental institution struggling to learn basic arithmetic, it's crazy arrogant to say that it's because he's lazy, instead it's because he lost in the genetic lottery. It's crazy arrogant to imply I'm so dumb, that I take this for serious. It's called genetic defect and means that you're genes aren't allright. Maybe it was harsh for your intelligence to imply that I'm talking about people with healthy genes. | ||
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Cruncharoo
United States136 Posts
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xxSuP4hFLyxx
Guernsey32 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On October 09 2011 02:05 Big J wrote: It's crazy arrogant to imply I'm so dumb, that I take this for serious. It's called genetic defect and means that you're genes aren't allright. Maybe it was harsh for your intelligence to imply that I'm talking about people with healthy genes. And what would you, in all your infinite wisdom, say is the barrier between healthy genes and bad genes? Where's the cutoff? 60IQ? 80? Wherever you feel is convenient? The brain isn't something ethereal - it's a physical thing, inside your head. It is capable of developing to differing degrees, just like any other part of your body. You know that kid who was twice as tall as you when you were a kid? You reckon he sat up in his room stretching all day? Or could it be that he was simply naturally taller than you (at that age, or even still)? Tell me why the brain/nervous system would be any different than other physical aspects of a human being, and then we can talk about your 'argument'. | ||
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Kakaruku
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On October 09 2011 03:00 xxSuP4hFLyxx wrote: Its natural. You can play 100 hours a day and not improve if you dont have the natural skills. On the other hand, like me, i just saw SC2 last month and played it and after 3 days playing without any RTS background Im already im GM. lol what a douchebag! derp | ||
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Xyik
Canada728 Posts
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RobCorso
United States111 Posts
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IntotheNorth
Denmark116 Posts
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
On October 08 2011 18:43 HaXXspetten wrote: I think the quite obvious answer is both. And yet there's a 28 page thread full of people who disagree, silly really  Pretending that genetics has absolutely no impact on brain development when it impacts the development of *every other aspect of our physical bodies* is just ignorant. The brain ain't anything special in that regard. But even if genetics had no impact, early education and environment certainly do. I assume most players here are already past those early formative years. So pointing at someone in bronze and saying they could be in GM league if they just practiced long enough is still ridiculous. It could be true for some, but not even close to all of them. | ||
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emidanRKO
United States137 Posts
if you have an average iq, you will never reach a really high level of skill. think of this way - iq and skill cap have a direct relationship. the higher your iq, the higher your skill cap will be. so, say, if someone has an iq of 150, it means they have a skill cap of 10(random number). when that person starts sc2 for the first time, his skill level will be at 0. training will get him slowly(or quickly) to the skill cap of 10. if he raise his iq, his skill cap will increase and he will have to train again to reach the cap, etc etc | ||
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Mirosuu
England283 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:32 emidanRKO wrote: raising iq is possible. however, iq isn't fundamental to be good at sc2; it's for being near the best. if you have an average iq, you will never reach a really high level of skill. think of this way - iq and skill cap have a direct relationship. the higher your iq, the higher your skill cap will be. so, say, if someone has an iq of 150, it means they have a skill cap of 10(random number). when that person starts sc2 for the first time, his skill level will be at 0. training will get him slowly(or quickly) to the skill cap of 10. if he raise his iq, his skill cap will increase and he will have to train again to reach the cap, etc etc There is no way to raise IQ unless it was being suppressed by malnutrition or some other fixable problem. You can lower IQ by causing brain damage, but with current technology there is no way to raise it. Perhaps in the future gene therapy will change this. Intelligence will have a significant effect on Starcraft ability at any skill level. Even between two players completely new to RTS games the one with higher intelligence would have a natural advantage in reaction time and decision making. | ||
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Demoe
Canada105 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
When it comes to the overall maximum, eventually anyone at a decent age, and without a mental or physical handicap could excel at starcraft 2 to the highest levels. | ||
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Zodiac7777
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dar0za
Canada74 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:42 Gurblechev wrote: There is no way to raise IQ unless it was being suppressed by malnutrition or some other fixable problem. You can lower IQ by causing brain damage, but with current technology there is no way to raise it. Perhaps in the future gene therapy will change this. Intelligence will have a significant effect on Starcraft ability at any skill level. Even between two players completely new to RTS games the one with higher intelligence would have a natural advantage in reaction time and decision making. actually, all IQ really is is a test result. | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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