EPTIs SC skill natural or trained? - Page 3
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By.Fantasy
Thailand123 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:14 By.Fantasy wrote: I don't believe on such thing as "Natural Thing" I believe that people who plays SC in a Pro level played RTS games when they we're young and keeps on playing. I doubt Jaedong and Flash are just naturally born to play SC but rather they played when they're young. lots of people played sc when they were young, lots of people practiced just as hard as jaedong and flash (or tried to). But only jd and flash were jd and flash. | ||
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Tedde93
Sweden169 Posts
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DecoyOn
Canada45 Posts
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
Thats not to say that you can't overcome a natural disadvantage, or that you can get to be a top player (or whatever field you're in) without loads and loads of work, but it certainly makes a difference. I'm not going to bother looking up the studies though so feel free to completely disregard what I'm saying. | ||
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Brunaland
Iceland36 Posts
i started in bronze 3 months ago and i just got upgraded to Platinum 2 days ago. I only played lord of the rings battle for middle earth and almost only played fps and rpg´s my whole life. But i actually have watched quite a few games and i watch at least 3 games of pro Starcraft each day and im getting matched against diamond players so hopefully ill get to diamond soon. | ||
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aaronlolol
134 Posts
Most people 'have what it takes' but lack things that make them improve in smaller time gaps such as mentioned above. If you can master your emotions and LEARN when you play, you WILL improve. I really recommend this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142131 If you want to learn more about competing regarding gaming, reading "Chance's Quake Bible" is a good idea as well. A lot of concepts about competing apply outside of FPS games so give that a look. | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:37 hoby2000 wrote: If you believe that people are just "natural" at some things, then you probably believe in a deity. Why do I say this? Because if you believe in "natural" talent, you don't understand the world around you. These players like Jaedong, or Flash, or anyone else who is really good at SC or SC2, are only good because of the amount of practice, and their method of practicing. They have been doing this for a very long time, and what people perceive as "natural" talent, is just an accumulation of their experiences poured into the game. For example, if someone grows up working hard at everything they do, then they discover SC2, and decide to devote their time and energy to it, chances are that they will probably pick up the game pretty quickly, and be able to start beating people who are gold leaguers pretty quickly. This isn't because of a natural ability though, it's just because they understand the method they need to practice to make them understand the game better. Musicians are the same way - I have a friend who has been playing piano since he was 4 or 5 years old. He's a wizard at piano now, and is a master of music in general. When he plays video games, he knows what he needs to do to already, to become good at said video game. He already has 15+ years of experience playing, practicing, and performing in the music arts - Playing, practicing and performing in video games won't really be a stretch. However, this ability to play, practice and perform isn't all that you need - You also need determination. This is critical, because if you can get good at something, but don't really put forth enough time or effort, all your practice is pretty much wasted. You have to be determined to be good. Determined play, practice, and performance - That's what makes someone good. Look at sports for example. Some people are just better. Look at Lebron James, as a freshman in high school he was playing at an all American level and was able to join the NBA as an 18 year old where people who have played the sport full time for the last 10 years and compete with them. He had no where near the training (even if he was practicing the same amount, playing with high school kids isn't the same as going against Kobe everyday) or the time spent on the sport. Certain people are athletically gifted and no doubt that certain people have a skill-set that enable them to preform SC better than others. Just about anybody should be able to pick up the game and with enough practice play at extremely high level, but some people are just naturally going to have a higher beginning abilities and higher skill caps. I don't think it will be as pronounced in video games as in sports, but it isn't a stretch to say that someones reflexes or fingers are faster and more dexterous. | ||
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VoidEU
Sweden24 Posts
Actually, everyone cant get into masters. Just because the fact that there is only enough spot for x% of the population. Simply, everyone cant be the best. Its the same thing at the top. If you take the worlds best players. They all practice about the same. In other words, as much as they possible can. Then why isn't everyone as good as MC? Since they practice the same amount of time. In short. EVERYONE cant be the best. When you come to a point where you cant practice more than your opponent. Natural talent will start separating the gifted from the not gifted. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44250 Posts
Some people are naturally more competitive and motivated. That being said, all of the mechanics of StarCraft must be practiced over and over and over again before a person gets really good at them. No one innately knows build orders or perfect unit compositions or ideal strategies in different scenarios. The reason why the pros practice ten hours a day is because that's what's needed to stay in the best shape. "Nurture" plays a far greater role than "nature". | ||
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
about other sports and skill in general. success is 10% talent and 90% hard work that is why some people try and try, but they lack the 10% others have. | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
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pavine
France2 Posts
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Drium
United States888 Posts
 Flash and  Jaedong no matter what you do, but until the very highest levels it's all about how hard you work. | ||
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elsx
115 Posts
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:28 VoidEU wrote: To all of you who are saying that "everyone can get into masters if they just put enough time into it". Actually, everyone cant get into masters. Just because the fact that there is only enough spot for x% of the population. Simply, everyone cant be the best. Its the same thing at the top. If you take the worlds best players. They all practice about the same. In other words, as much as they possible can. Then why isn't everyone as good as MC? Since they practice the same amount of time. In short. EVERYONE cant be the best. When you come to a point where you cant practice more than your opponent. Natural talent will start separating the gifted from the not gifted. Obviously "everyone" can't be in masters, but "anyone" could. The sentiment is that anyone can improve their skill to that of a master's player if they practice; there's no need to be obtuse. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
But i do believe that only "gifted" ones can be Flash and Jaedong. Like not everyone who trains 24/7 and do their best can be as good as Jordan, Woods, Phelps, Bolt, Messi, Federer. Get into masters, sure everyone can. Win the GSL? Not so much. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:18 JeLLe04 wrote: What do you guys think? If you're high Diamond or Masters, do you think you've worked enough to deserve it, or do you think you were just "born that way"? There's a massive difference between masters and progamer. Given that most progamers that do ladder normally are at the top of their division, with a significant lead above the rest of the division. 4k non-progamer masters are pretty rare. I wouldn't discount practice though. As someone who started at copper in the beta, I've managed to make it to diamond without playing much or 4 gating every game. I think any bronze player could make masters or diamond with enough effort, but there's got to be a willingness to change how you play (aka get a better build order, and do it right) and a focus on improving mechanics. | ||
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VoidEU
Sweden24 Posts
On March 21 2011 23:34 Gheed wrote: Obviously "everyone" can't be in masters, but "anyone" could. The sentiment is that anyone can improve their skill to that of a master's player if they practice; there's no need to be obtuse. My point was that those at the very top are putting in such much effort and you cant beat them with just pure practice, no matter how much time you put into it (because you simply doesn't have more time than they do). Perhaps my masters example was bad :/ | ||
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