EPTMost people will never have the mindset to actually devote themselves to it, though.. which sort of seems like a natural talent in itself.
If you want to be good, if you really want it, then it's within reach.
Is SC skill natural or trained? - Page 2
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
Most people will never have the mindset to actually devote themselves to it, though.. which sort of seems like a natural talent in itself. If you want to be good, if you really want it, then it's within reach. | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Why do I say this? Because if you believe in "natural" talent, you don't understand the world around you. These players like Jaedong, or Flash, or anyone else who is really good at SC or SC2, are only good because of the amount of practice, and their method of practicing. They have been doing this for a very long time, and what people perceive as "natural" talent, is just an accumulation of their experiences poured into the game. For example, if someone grows up working hard at everything they do, then they discover SC2, and decide to devote their time and energy to it, chances are that they will probably pick up the game pretty quickly, and be able to start beating people who are gold leaguers pretty quickly. This isn't because of a natural ability though, it's just because they understand the method they need to practice to make them understand the game better. Musicians are the same way - I have a friend who has been playing piano since he was 4 or 5 years old. He's a wizard at piano now, and is a master of music in general. When he plays video games, he knows what he needs to do to already, to become good at said video game. He already has 15+ years of experience playing, practicing, and performing in the music arts - Playing, practicing and performing in video games won't really be a stretch. However, this ability to play, practice and perform isn't all that you need - You also need determination. This is critical, because if you can get good at something, but don't really put forth enough time or effort, all your practice is pretty much wasted. You have to be determined to be good. Determined play, practice, and performance - That's what makes someone good. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:32 Markus138 wrote: the number of games played has nothing to do with it. people can be in bronze after 500 games because they don't care much about the game or because they don't know (and don't want to know) what they made wrong. I think everybody could get into higher masters rank without any problems (given that he/she invests enough time and effort into it). The best players in the world might need some natural skill Same goes for everything, skill isn't just about having a higher potential then someone else, it's also how fast you learn, your intuition of things that are going to work etc... I got to diamond in the beta in a couple of days (well plat actualy at the time was the highest league) without watching any VODS or analyzing replays or reading strategy threads or even putting a lot of effort in understanding the game. Then I had to work to understand the matchups, perfect BOs etc... to ladder up and make it to masters. I know some people who just fool around, never watch anything SC2 related and who are in masters with less then 100 games played total. Natural skill and work both contribute to being good at starcraft. Currently, not that many people are playing starcraft so you can get into GSL by work alone, but that doesn't mean that everyone has equal chances to do good in starcraft. | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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ClockToweR
United States61 Posts
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KOVU
Denmark708 Posts
Natural skill has a lot to do with it in my opinion, but dedication and training hard will get you pretty far. | ||
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
The reason why you have great players different from good is mainly due to their training regiment and how they approach the game. Flash is good at BW because his mindset and hard work have propelled him into being as good as he is. Playing 10 hours a day wont turn you into Flash, you would need people around you to hone your skills to perfection and top notch competition to challange you so that you have to keep improving. | ||
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Siwa
91 Posts
That being said, quality and quantity of practice = 90%. So called natural talent (your whole life and experiences) is the rest. | ||
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RealRook
Czech Republic54 Posts
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
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Double Letters
United States58 Posts
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Blackthorne
Norway69 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
but you of course should be open to the game and not be totally dumb xD | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
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PariahCaste
United States73 Posts
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YokaY
United States108 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:49 Tyree wrote: I do not believe in "natural skill" or "talent" really, anyone who is good at SC2 from the get go is good because they played BW or Warcraft 2 or any other RTS game. With hard work you can hone that skill, and perfect it. The reason why you have great players different from good is mainly due to their training regiment and how they approach the game. Flash is good at BW because his mindset and hard work have propelled him into being as good as he is. Playing 10 hours a day wont turn you into Flash, you would need people around you to hone your skills to perfection and top notch competition to challange you so that you have to keep improving. This doesn't make sense to me. You seem to contradict yourself with the first and last statement. If your first statement is true, then all of Flash's teammates should be on his level of play. I am uncertain what bearing talent plays on skill, but people serious about improvement shouldn't concern themselves with this; because between hard work and talent, there's only one factor that they can control. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On September 27 2010 12:19 IdrA wrote: you can spontaneously decide to be good at something and be successful if you can make yourself work at it. until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in, the only problem is most people cant work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they dont have a real passion for. i'd like to add that hard work does not mean just mindlessly grinding out games. starcraft is an rts, after all. nothing is sadder than seeing people stuck at a certain level over thousands of games - at that point, they're just reinforcing bad habits. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
I think you would need to at least be naturally good at something to become a top tier professional gamer. On the other hand I bet you could be "bad" and grind your way to masters by just playing a ton and slowly working on things. | ||
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