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svi
405 Posts
If everyone played 12 hours a day, some players would dominate because they have more raw talent than the rest. SC2 is pretty low skilled in America and considering how top players play 3 hours over here, anyone could dominate if they play 12 hrs, tbh. | ||
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Amaterasu1234
United States317 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:18 JeLLe04 wrote:What do you guys think? If you're high Diamond or Masters, do you think you've worked enough to deserve it, or do you think you were just "born that way"? I worked for my mid-masters position...and it's a tough climb, imho. If you do anything long enough, you will inevitably become proficient at it... except life...some people will just suck at that forever. | ||
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
That said, many people with the most natural talent often get bored easily or don't develop a strong work ethic because of their talent - they just never learn to work hard or practice well. The top levels of play often have people who had some degree of natural ability but weren't the most talented when they started, and because of that they developed a drive and focus that can't be replaced. | ||
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Neb1000
United States183 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 08 2011 07:51 Archontas wrote: There are people in the world who are just born doing everything right. B.J. Penn got a black belt in jiu-jitsu in 3 years (this takes 10 years on average), then a few weeks later became the first non-Brazilian to win the World Championship in his weight class, which means he made other jiu-jitsu black belts (who had been studying it their whole lives) look stupid. That talent exists in the world, in every possible kind of sport or competition. There will be people who do things right their first time that other people spend years perfecting, and who will get more back from the same time spent practicing. That said, many people with the most natural talent often get bored easily or don't develop a strong work ethic because of their talent - they just never learn to work hard or practice well. The top levels of play often have people who had some degree of natural ability but weren't the most talented when they started, and because of that they developed a drive and focus that can't be replaced. I'm much more inclined to believe that "talent" exists in physical sports because your strength and physical speed are very much determined in part by your genes as opposed to your ability to use a keyboard. Being 6+ft tall is a good "talent" to have in the NBA, the same way weighing over 300 lbs makes you a "talented" linebacker. On October 08 2011 07:43 wonderwall wrote: It's a skill which you have to learn like anything else. Stories like "my friend got into masters in a week" usually involves people circumventing the skill requirement with mass 4gates or 3raxes. I started out in Bronze with my awesome TvZ strategy of getting cloak banshees every game and they wouldn't have detection and I made it up to masters by practicing and learning better strategies. How many people still think that being in Master league is nearly pro level? It's not even close*, think like C- to C in BW. *KR server excluded for obvious reasons. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
Pretend the leagues are shapes. For simplicity's sake, we'll consider Bronze to be a square, Diamond to be a diamond and Grandmasters a star. Now, take a player made of steel. Sounds hardcore, right? Yeah, but he's a fuggin' polygon. He -kind of- fits in bronze, but even then it isn't a neat fit and he isn't exactly clearly defined for that league... it's a gross fit but he is what he is, unmalleable and stoic, because he's friggin' dense, changes slowly and is extremely resistant to change. Compare, then, to a player made of sponge. A sponge starts out rectangular, and pretty quickly finds out how it can cram itself into the comfortable confines of a square. Excited by this nice, clean fit the sponge-player will likely quickly wonder what other shapes it can form, learning how to cram itself into a variety of different shapes on its way through, possibly even figuring out how to cram itself into the complicated-as-shit star pattern. That metaphor is damn retarded, but the idea that everyone starts out as "a shape" based on their past experiences and understanding of the patterns of video games in general, RTS specifically, and then Starcraft specifically. This would be why WC3/SC:BW players are/were often expected to do well immeditely in SC2; they already had some understanding of how the game will work and what is required to "Fill the shape". There's more, but I feel like an idiot for explaining a stupid metaphor. Figure it out yourself, you illustrous block of stone. :D | ||
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
On October 08 2011 08:33 Offhand wrote: I'm much more inclined to believe that "talent" exists in physical sports because your strength and physical speed are very much determined in part by your genes as opposed to your ability to use a keyboard. Being 6+ft tall is a good "talent" to have in the NBA, the same way weighing over 300 lbs makes you a "talented" linebacker. Yeah, there are more obvious characteristics in physical sports that can make a certain kind of 'talent' prerequisite. But not every tall person has the coordination to be in the NBA and not every heavy person has the balance to be a linebacker, obviously - there are attributes that someone can be talented at which still also respond to practice and discipline, or pro athletes wouldn't need to practice as hard as we know they do. To say that 'talent' in physical sports is solely confined to physical ability and genetics is silly. | ||
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
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Beren
United States514 Posts
On October 08 2011 08:33 Offhand wrote: I'm much more inclined to believe that "talent" exists in physical sports because your strength and physical speed are very much determined in part by your genes as opposed to your ability to use a keyboard. Being 6+ft tall is a good "talent" to have in the NBA, the same way weighing over 300 lbs makes you a "talented" linebacker. How many people still think that being in Master league is nearly pro level? It's not even close*, think like C- to C in BW. *KR server excluded for obvious reasons. That is a fucking huge ass linebacker. I think starcraft if mostly practice but you still need the physical and mental ability to be a pro. | ||
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Conopolyman
United States4 Posts
Video games are a relatively new invention, so there can be no genetic evolution to make you naturally better. There may be other genes that are realated the the skills you need to be a skilled video game player though. I just feel like it is mostly the effort you pu into it, you get out of it. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
I got into masters in less than a week of playing, yet I see people on this board saying after months of trying everything and doing everything that they can't break out of Silver league. No ammount of training will make a cripple an athletic runner, and no aamount of training will make someone who doesn't have natural talent a GSL champion. Training is a part of everything when you want to be the worlds best, but to think someone that isn't the best can make it into the top .001% of players through training alone is ridiculous. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On October 08 2011 09:35 Figgy wrote: It's all natural talent. I got into masters in less than a week of playing, yet I see people on this board saying after months of trying everything and doing everything that they can't break out of Silver league. No ammount of training will make a cripple an athletic runner, and no aamount of training will make someone who doesn't have natural talent a GSL champion. Training is a part of everything when you want to be the worlds best, but to think someone that isn't the best can make it into the top .001% of players through training alone is ridiculous. doubt this. you're not accounting all your other gaming experience. i'm willing to bet you were competitive by nature in other games, whereas other people were never, but because of sc2's size and growth, became competitive. | ||
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enqore
Germany8 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
I would bet that at least 95% of all people in the forums don't have the talent to be a consistent Code S/A player. And that includes a lot of progamers, too. But to materialize your talent, of couse you have to train very very hard. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
The way I see it 95% is practice, the last 5% is raw talent and what seperates pros from the rest with the last few promille being what makes a bonjwa. | ||
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iamahydralisk
United States813 Posts
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
People with more natural talent don't have to work as hard, and people who work their asses off can make up for a lot of talent. The best of the best will likely have both. | ||
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Epoch
Canada257 Posts
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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