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I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW
22 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:01 Gurblechev wrote:Starcraft ability being highly related to intelligence would also help explain Korean dominance at tournaments. East Asians have a higher average IQ than Whites and therefore have a larger pool of potentially great players to develop. I fail to see the correlation between pattern recognition and RTS skills, not to mention the correlation between pattern recognition and intelligence. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:09 Offhand wrote: East Asians do not dominate SC2, Koreans do. Koreans have practice houses and a structured training environment. The whole of Asia minus Korea doesn't amount to the NA or EU scenes yet. This does not make sense if what you says is at all true. Does that change the point that east asia has a high poetential player pool to pull from. All you said was that Korea is the best at maximizing the potential. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
5% natural talent | ||
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Dissonance23
United States259 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:19 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote: I fail to see the correlation between pattern recognition and RTS skills, not to mention the correlation between pattern recognition and intelligence. Sorry I don't understand what point you are trying to make. Starcraft contains what is essentially a series of reaction time tests. You have to react to what is happening in game in real time. People with faster reaction times have a natural advantage. Intelligence is also a highly important trait for good decision making and ability to learn and execute strategies. Reaction time and intelligence are significantly correlated with each other and are both highly heritable (genetic) traits. | ||
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emidanRKO
United States137 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 14:05 emidanRKO wrote: sc skill will always be "trained". natural skills (intelligence) only help to decrease the training needed to get to a certain skill level. Training is not a magical elixir that can bestow greater reaction time and intelligence than you are capable of. Training is and always will be just a way to make use of potential. If you are not born with advantageous genes for intelligence you will never play starcraft at a professional level even with a million lifetimes to train. | ||
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icarly
United States400 Posts
Basketball appeals to millions of people. Kids dream of becoming rich and famous and Basketball attracts the best of the best potential basketball players. Michael Jordan is the greatest Basketball player in history and we can safely say he was the best in the world because millions of people strived for his glory. With SC2 currently it doesn't appeal to many people. Pro players now are pro because they played video games and had enough free time and lack of commitments to dedicate themselves to the (in the grand scheme of things) obscure hobby that is esports. But, SC2 doesn't even come close to attracting all of its potential talent pool. Who's to say that there aren't engineers, doctors, college professors, programmers, and etc that don't have analtyical thnking or intelligence that surpasses Flash or Jaedong? TL;DR: Yes, I think SC2 is mainly natural skill. If it was as big as MLB, NFL, NBA, Fifa, etc those more naturally talented would rise to the top. | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
intelligence teaches you how to train intelligence helps you read your opponent training just helps macro (which is actually much easier than playing an instrument - i have yet to see a gamer practice with a metronome). training also helps micro (more muscle memory and mouse-speed than anything else). intelligence is what defines a progamer from the rest - being able to piece together an overpowered gameplay or better yet a build that counters the opponent. | ||
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trias_e
United States520 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
Ofc everyone is born slightly different, but from the day the egg and the sperm meet, everything becomes learning and being taught. There is no such thing as natural skill. Mozart didn't just start making music. He was raised that way. All he ever saw was his father and sister making music. Just ask any progamer out there: -) training the game -) thinking about the game -) talking about the game -) experimenting in the game -) experiencing the game -) practicing the game -) focusing on the game -) playing the game ... that's all they ever talk about, if they tell you what makes them good players. | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
On October 08 2011 13:25 Voltaire wrote: 95% trained 5% natural talent On October 08 2011 18:10 Fort Minor wrote: 10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will 5% pleasure 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name | ||
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
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Epoch
Canada257 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 18:03 Big J wrote: Like EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS PURE PRACTICE, SC is pure practice as well. Ofc everyone is born slightly different, but from the day the egg and the sperm meet, everything becomes learning and being taught. There is no such thing as natural skill. Mozart didn't just start making music. He was raised that way. All he ever saw was his father and sister making music. Just ask any progamer out there: -) training the game -) thinking about the game -) talking about the game -) experimenting in the game -) experiencing the game -) practicing the game -) focusing on the game -) playing the game ... that's all they ever talk about, if they tell you what makes them good players. 2GD: "Why are you so good MC?" oGsMC: "Uh... maybe good brain." I think it is generally well understood that Starcraft skill primarily requires intelligence. It is impossible to learn or benefit from training if you are a dullard. When Artosis gushes over Nestea he gushes about how he is a genius with a massive brain, not his practice regimen. | ||
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insaner
United States3 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 08 2011 18:24 Epoch wrote: To everyone that says that it's pure practice, you are of course wrong. If it were simply up to practice then then everyone would just improve at an equal rate and you wouldn't have bronzies and other low levels that have played and do play countless games but can't break into the higher leagues. The reality is some people are smarter then you and have affinities for the skills required to be excel at the game. well, you can call that whatever you want, but it's a kind of trained intellegence. Ofc if I learn maths I don't train to be a starcraft player, but in the end it might help me and I have put work on it. Just because some people haven't learned anything than is portable to starcraft, it doesn't mean that they can't become as good as others. But it means that they start on a lower level doing so. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 08 2011 18:28 Gurblechev wrote: 2GD: "Why are you so good MC?" oGsMC: "Uh... maybe good brain." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b-qufr0eqY I think it is generally well understood that Starcraft skill primarily requires intelligence. It is impossible to learn or benefit from training if you are a dullard. When Artosis gushes over Nestea he gushes about how he is a genius with a massive brain, not his practice regimen. And where does intellegence come from? Learning, getting taught and raised... Nothing that could not have been acquired by anyone else, but some people simply don't choose to do so | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1782 Posts
You cannot be intelligent as a natural way to be, you can only be more intelligent than..."a precise moment in space and time" and that's it. Meaning, it's not forever. | ||
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