EPTIs SC skill natural or trained? - Page 24
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Gurblechev
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A Starcraft match includes essentially a series of reaction time tests. Intelligence is also required to learn strategies and make good decisions in game. Intelligence and reaction time are highly heritable. Some are born with the potential to play Starcraft at a professional level, and others are not so fortunate. g and speed of cognitive processing The consistent relation between shorter reaction times and higher intelligence mainly appeared to reflect genetic effects shared by both measures. Luciano et al studied a wider range of information processing measures such as inspection time, choice reaction time, delayed response speed and accuracy with IQ in a sample of 245 MZ and 298 DZ twin pairs. Their results indicated the presence of a general genetic cognitive factor affecting both IQ and psychophysical phenotypes, as well as additional genetic factors explaining the additional test variance and covariance. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n6/full/5201588a.html Starcraft ability being highly related to intelligence would also help explain Korean dominance at tournaments. East Asians have a higher average IQ than Whites and therefore have a larger pool of potentially great players to develop. | ||
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Hodgy
United States64 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
Experience and training makes up around 95% of sc2, if not more, the rest comes down to how well you can control your own body, how well you function under stress, etc... etc... These can all be augmented through training though. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:14 CatNzHat wrote: I think that it takes natural talent to be top 10 in the world, but I believe that anyone with an IQ over 90 can easily make it top like top 500 on ladder in their respective region (mb top 1000 on KR). Experience and training makes up around 95% of sc2, if not more, the rest comes down to how well you can control your own body, how well you function under stress, etc... etc... These can all be augmented through training though. Genetics will be a key factor at every level of play. Someone new to Starcraft but with a high level of intelligence and fast reaction time will get a lot higher on the ladder in 50 games than someone with the same experience level but low intelligence and slow reactions. I think you are vastly overestimating the importance of experience. People completely new to starcraft often immediately place higher than bronze just due to natural ability while other people spend thousands of games in bronze and will never reach any higher. Starcraft ladder ranking is likely as highly correlated to intelligence as the SAT or other similar tests of cognitive ability. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:24 Gurblechev wrote: Genetics will be a key factor at every level of play. Someone new to Starcraft but with a high level of intelligence and fast reaction time will get a lot higher on the ladder in 50 games than someone with the same experience level but low intelligence and slow reactions. I think you are vastly overestimating the importance of experience. People completely new to starcraft often immediately place higher than bronze just due to natural ability while other people spend thousands of games in bronze and will never reach any higher. Starcraft ladder ranking is likely as highly correlated to intelligence as the SAT or other similar tests of cognitive ability. If my SAT/GRE scores corresponded to ladder ranking I'd be high masters.  Sadly being able to take tests well doesn't make you better at RTS, playing RTS makes you better at RTS. | ||
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sopporku
13 Posts
the heart interacts with the brain constantly sending neuropeptides. its the combination of both that decides how good you can be at something, in conjunction with any mental proclivity towards it genetically. cheers. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Proof.
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Experience would include other rts games, or just gaming in general. It would also include how much dedication you had towards your past games as well. I.e. if you casually played BW for a month, then it probably didn't contribute anything lasting to your skillset. All past games you dedicated yourself to provide little advantages over players than haven't had any experience at all. It doesn't even have to be exactly like SC2. For example, I played casual dota 4+ years. I was trained using hotkeys, looking at the minimap to spot enemy heroes, microing the **** out of my heroes (and leaver heroes/duplicate heroes a.k.a meepo), etc. I wasn't pro-level, but I wasn't bad either. Yes sc2 can be a macro oriented game but I came into it with a tiny initial skillset. I just made that skillset better by practicing. tl;dr: Trained. | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
I myself am a very competitive gamer, doesn't matter what game it is or what type of game it is, I want to win when I play. Sure winning isn't everything but when I play games I do it with a very competitive attitude, that competitive attitude is what gives me the motivation to improve, so long as I'm actually playing a game that I find interesting and fun. So basically, yes I think just about anybody could theoretically get better at this game, there is no reason to think otherwise. But having the competitive attitude that will drive you to actually take those steps to get better? I think that is something different people are born with. For the record, I'm masters now and would consider myself "trained", I basically never laddered back in BW and in SC2 worked my way up from Gold. Whether I'm playing a fighting game, an rts game, a shooting game, whatever, I just have most fun when I'm giving it my utmost concentration and figuring out how to get an edge on people. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:27 jalstar wrote: If my SAT/GRE scores corresponded to ladder ranking I'd be high masters. Sadly being able to take tests well doesn't make you better at RTS, playing RTS makes you better at RTS. But being more intelligent makes you better at both. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On October 08 2011 09:35 Figgy wrote: It's all natural talent. I got into masters in less than a week of playing, yet I see people on this board saying after months of trying everything and doing everything that they can't break out of Silver league. No ammount of training will make a cripple an athletic runner, and no aamount of training will make someone who doesn't have natural talent a GSL champion. Training is a part of everything when you want to be the worlds best, but to think someone that isn't the best can make it into the top .001% of players through training alone is ridiculous. take your natural talent to korea then. I mean after all, if its all talent.. Foreigners having a larger player pool should do just fine against the koreans. o wait | ||
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Loes
Canada115 Posts
On March 21 2011 22:35 Seala wrote: As a high masters player on a pro team, I think literally anyone can atleast get in to masters, it's all about your mind set and how much work you put in to it. Which pro team are you part of? | ||
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Kairos~
Canada129 Posts
He is on TEAM:Seala. | ||
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Xaggah
Canada45 Posts
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CeliosB
Canada100 Posts
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Gurblechev
188 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:43 VPCursed wrote: take your natural talent to korea then. I mean after all, if its all talent.. Foreigners having a larger player pool should do just fine against the koreans. o wait Asians actually have a far larger pool of talent relative to Whites due to their higher average IQ. Far more of them are capable of playing at a professional level. | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 08 2011 12:01 Gurblechev wrote: It seems obvious that success at Starcraft is highly influenced by genetics. A Starcraft match includes essentially a series of reaction time tests. Intelligence is also required to learn strategies and make good decisions in game. Intelligence and reaction time are highly heritable. Some are born with the potential to play Starcraft at a professional level, and others are not so fortunate. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v14/n6/full/5201588a.html Starcraft ability being highly related to intelligence would also help explain Korean dominance at tournaments. East Asians have a higher average IQ than Whites and therefore have a larger pool of potentially great players to develop. East Asians do not dominate SC2, Koreans do. Koreans have practice houses and a structured training environment. The whole of Asia minus Korea doesn't amount to the NA or EU scenes yet. This does not make sense if what you says is at all true. | ||
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