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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:39 Kazeyonoma wrote: WRONG, i asked this directly in the TSL thread, games will be played on the home players server based on seeding, then alternate back and forth. I think that is true for the NA vs EU or NA vs KOR games. Playing from EU to KOR would make the competition a joke. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:42 nymeria wrote: anyone know what the korean fansites are saying about this topic? You can try translated playxp  | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Gofarman
Canada645 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201568¤tpage=78#1548 My view on the topic is that we need top caliber players SPEAKING and INTERACTING with other english/german/swedish/french players for our international community to actually progress. Yes, the Koreans are especially dedicated to practice and preparation but don't forget they have access to a wealth of knowledge that semi-pros and pros that don't speak Korean have no way to get, even going to korea. I stand by any action that will develop Western and European esports if that means a little segregation so be it. (It's not like we are saying they suck and are unworthy to play with us, but some protectionism won the Allies WW2 who says it wont again?) + Show Spoiler + No nukes this time though plzanthx | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:43 nvs. wrote: So many fringe NA players arguing against the inclusion of Koreans. -.- Yeah 1. Soooo many. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
Blur/Vt/Cloud/Strelok so far are the ones I can recalled. | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:44 Gofarman wrote: I wish I had a year on TL with this account so that I could report this drivel; http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201568¤tpage=78#1548 My view on the topic is that we need top caliber players SPEAKING and INTERACTING with other english/german/swedish/french players for our international community to actually progress. Yes, the Koreans are especially dedicated to practice and preparation but don't forget they have access to a wealth of knowledge that semi-pros and pros that don't speak Korean have no way to get, even going to korea. I stand by any action that will develop Western and European esports if that means a little segregation so be it. (It's not like we are saying they suck and are unworthy to play with us, but some protectionism won the Allies WW2 who says it wont again?) + Show Spoiler + No nukes this time though plzanthx it really does fit word for word on what cloud was saying. he complains that foreigners will never get to be at the same level as koreans, then he goes off to say that foreigner and korean sc2 scenes have to be segregated. really the same thing if you were following up on cloud's posts. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:46 baoluvboa wrote: Blur/Vt/Cloud/Strelok so far are the ones I can recalled. And Pokebunny | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:46 baoluvboa wrote: Blur/Vt/Cloud/Strelok so far are the ones I can recalled. 1. Strelok was talking about the TSL 2. He only complained about the amount of invites. He explicitely stated that he had no problems with: (a) there being a Korean qualifier to determine the Korean participants (b) invites for Korean players only one thing he had a problem with was - invites going to previous TSL2 champions of SC:BW - invites going to the teamliquid members in Korea - invites going to top players in Korea | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
HAHA, so true and funny :D | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:46 baoluvboa wrote: Blur/Vt/Cloud/Strelok so far are the ones I can recalled. Only 2 are NA and Strelok complained more about people being invited at all and especially about the non-Koreans (the TL players) being invited just because they are in Korea. A very valid point imo. Also no mentions here of the many players that specifically wished for Koreans playing in NASL. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
ClouD: I am a progamer, that’s my only job in Germany Of course he wants to make his job easier.  | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:42 nymeria wrote: anyone know what the korean fansites are saying about this topic? Interested too. Frankly, I'm embarrassed at the thought of Koreans reading through this thread. : ( | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Gatsbi
United States1134 Posts
Or if they didn't use an invite system at all. edit: I mean solved as in we could have as many koreans as we wanted if there was 100-150 players. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Kazang
578 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:26 infinity2k9 wrote: Its you making up shit about BW that isn't true. I understood it perfectly but what you are saying is completely wrong. Again just so you try to get it: BW has no reaction advantage, and every player in the game suffers lag if one player does, ok? Try going back and reading exactly what I wrote, it's unedited. Here I will paste it for you: "There is a forced delay in SC1 to make up for differences in latency, that is separate to how it relates to actual latency, that is not exactly a good solution either. It just forces a delay on the player with the better latency, to give the approximate effect of doing things at the same moment." The effect in SC2 is roughly the same, if one player lags all the players will lag to some extent. The way it handles this is better, and more complex, than putting a huge delay on the player with the better latency. The fact is still the same, long distances mean high latency and lag. BW or SC2, playing across long distances results in Lag it's a fact of the damn universe. SC2 really does do a better job of minimizing the effects of lag when it's played as intended, within the same region. It's gets worse when the latency gets above "normal" levels, they cannot make it better at long distance. It's as good as it's going to get. We have to make the best of what the game is. If you want to run an online tournament across multiple regions, it's going to have lag. If NASL has players from NA/EU/Korea playing each other, it's going to be laggy for all of them. It's physically impossible to not have lag. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:48 dkim wrote: it really does fit word for word on what cloud was saying. he complains that foreigners will never get to be at the same level as koreans, then he goes off to say that foreigner and korean sc2 scenes have to be segregated. really the same thing if you were following up on cloud's posts. First I don't complain, I am stating a truth that got just proven by the last big event where we had the very top european/american players and some korean low level pros. I also didn't say they have to be segregated, I am just saying korean esport has always been an elitist community with no real possibility to interact since a decade ago. I don't know what's good or what's better but the moment you allow all top koreans then it's just them, and I don't think western progamers are willing to move to korea and play months there just to get invited to NASL. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
But seriously. I think completely opening big tournaments to Koreans would do a lot of good. It would certainly draw a lot of interest to tournaments. Especially having the big names like Boxer, Nada etc, might help in drawing enough attention to keep a strong foreign scene going. Otherwise I feel it will quickly devolve into the BW system, where korea holds all the big tournaments with a handful of the top foreigners trying to break in. I think it will also draw much more attention from viewers korea, which honestly can't be a bad thing for creating a sustainable eSports scene. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On March 17 2011 08:24 adeezy wrote: This isn't stopping the TSL, and there's no doubt in my mind the TSL will be the best non GSL tournament ever. For sure... because they got all the best players. Whoever wins the TSL, can claim to be the best player in the world (for that moment).... well unless July wins the GSL. But ya.. if you beat the best in a LAN tourney.. you're the best! The winner of NASL should be the best player in the world! | ||
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