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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
How is NASL banning Koreans any different? | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote: It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings. Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL. | ||
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Clare
United States372 Posts
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Ikuu
United Kingdom97 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:41 ImHuko wrote: With the whole NASL name, it will be quite confusing when someone looking from the outside in see that Koreans and Europeans are in it. I think name should be WSL! What does the name have to do with it, the EPL isn't just English players or the NBA just American. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:41 Rekrul wrote: what you have isn't called an opinion, it's called a flawed understanding of what a real competition is I think what he wants is a show and not a tournament. American Idol is a show, the Olympics is a tournament. That's the crux of the argument. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:42 hmunkey wrote: So, tell me, should the Olympics ban the Keyan running team? Should the World Cup ban the Brazilian national team? What about the NHL disallowing Canadian teams from competing? How is NASL banning Koreans any different? These are events intended on being the ultimate global championships. Events like IEM and GSL are built for those. If NASL wants to make their league that way, so be it, but personally, FOR ME, that's not what I'm interested in seeing out of it as a spectator. I'm not arguing what NASL wants, I'm arguing what I want NASL to be. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Yes, it is hard to avoid relating nationality to SC2 (especially considering Blizzard has separated regions into different servers), but it's something that needs to be done. In BW, there's all the hype that "Koreans are the best", but in SC2, many foreigners believe that they are as good as, if not better than, Korean SC2 players. And in fact, this can be true; with hard work, a talented player can become the best. Yet, to start putting limits on how many people from each country/nation can compete just makes it unfair. Example: Let us imagine a global top 20 ranking in which 10 players are from Korea, 5 from EU, and 5 from NA. The 5 EU and NA players qualify for a tourney, but of the 10 Korean players, only 5 will be admitted. What does this mean? In qualifying for the tourney, the Koreans are at a disadvantage because they have to compete for spots, even though they are just as good as every other player. This same idea can be applied to EVERYONE. By associating qualifications to a nation, some players automatically have to start competing for a limited number of spots. Instead, the top players regardless of nationality should be taken | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
Another thing to keep in mind is that it is completely and totally dumb to base a player's skill entirely on their performances in 2-3 day LAN tournaments. The fact is, it's a totally different setting from the GSL, TSL, or even NASL. This is partially due to the "preparation" factor -- a player training to fight who knows who is probably going to be playing differently from the same player who trains knowing who their target is. Fatigue and stress from long days of high-stakes matches are also important factors. It'll be very interesting to see how the TSL turns out, methinks. If the foreigners can carry their weight, about half of this thread will be rendered moot. If not, well... here's hoping the NASL forces them to new heights. | ||
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51]cheers
Germany9 Posts
So inviting the top koreans will result in them slaughtering everyone except the absolut foreigner elite (which are very very few players like idra) and all korean semis or even quarters wouldnt be very unlikely. but i mean there is already a torunament, where i can watch this, its called gsl... and why u want to invite lesser players from Korea? Most of them are still better than most foreigners, but watching NASL then would be like Code B GSl or something. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
Since we already have GSL, we don't need the NASL to be another GSL. It would be like having the 32 teams of the NFL play two seasons at the same time with one season taking place in the USA and the other season taking place in Korea. Would be stupid. Give me NASL with NA/EU players and some b-team KR players and I will watch because it will be DIFFERENT than what I'm already watching(GSL). | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:43 Pokebunny wrote: These are events intended on being the ultimate global championships. Events like IEM and GSL are built for those. If NASL wants to make their league that way, so be it, but personally, FOR ME, that's not what I'm interested in seeing out of it as a spectator. It's also clearly not what the NASL's main goal is. People seem to be clouding it. The very nature that they originally had the team cap and the cap on koreans suggested they were well aware that they might be limiting some players out. They accepted this, but due to the backlash from the community they changed their stance somewhat. They're well aware they're not making the most prestigious league in the world. That position is filled by the GSL, and it wont be uncrowned easily, nor would it be uncrowned by simply adding 10 Koreans to the NASL. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
Now I am conflicted. On one hand, top koreans will make NASL much more entertaining. The skill level of foreigners is much below those of koreans. As jinro pointed out, Koreans who lost in 1st round of Code A took the 1,2, and 3 spots in the highest level of Europe tourny. If you invite top koreans like mvp, nestea, july, and mkp it will be very 1-sided and I expect them to top 4 every time. Watching koreans smacking on foreigners is not really extremely interesting. However, I do want to see high level of play. I mean if the NASL's level of play is similiar to GSL 1's level of play then it will just be sad. High level of players do daring plays like july's mutalisk counter attack against MVP after he failed baneling bust was golden. Though I do agree that koreans like Slayers_cella should definitely get in. The guy spend so much time streaming for the foreigner scene. He does for much for the community. | ||
PHedemark
Denmark37 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:32 infinity2k9 wrote: Uhh if you limit to 'North American' superstars then theres no point in this whole thing. I think most people on here wouldn't pay for it at all, and the North Americans themselves would never even have to further themselves or play any better. How can you even think Grubby is somehow more marketable to a wider audience? He's a typical nerd. I don't know what to say if you can't see how or why Grubby is easier to market than 95% of the other players who have applied for the NASL. The guy is a two time "Olympic Champion", has won countless of other championships, is a head star for several computer peripheral companies, is well spoken, intelligent and even featured in a documentary with Kasparov. It's not so much about the looks (oh well, it's also that), but more about how you market yourself and what you do. And in all that, Grubby is a superstar. He handles himself that way. I don't think you can find a player that's more available to his fans than he is. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote: Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL. You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining? | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
On March 16 2011 07:09 MrCon wrote: I didn't voted, because I don't know what to think, I'm not convinced either way. Comparing with GSL and foreigners who went to Korea is irrelevant imo : foreigners basically move away from their country to live to the other side of the world. Korean playing in NASL just mean that, 2 or 3 times a week, they'll have to wake up early and play from their home, and going to NA only if they are sure of a big paycheck. No comparison is possible here, foreigners are making a life changing move while koreans just have to record a youtube video. In fact, this problem is this : if koreans are allowed, they'll likely win it all and bring back the funds to Korea. If they are not allowed, the level of play will be lower, but the money will go to the foreigner scene, helping create team houses, and in long term will allow foreigners to compete with koreans in term of skill, because foreigners will have access to the same infrastructure as koreans. Simple as that, and I still don't know what option I want... simple fact is that GSL is open and NASL should be as well. doesnt matter the circumstance of the tournament (LAN vs online). GSL actually reverse descriminates by seeding foreigners... also, if many of the top koreans are in the NASL and a NA player actually eliminates them..then that would be so epic and ratings wuld go through the roof as well as sponsorship opporunities for that player. | ||
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1Lamb1Rice
United States435 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:41 Rekrul wrote: what you have isn't called an opinion, it's called a flawed understanding of what a real competition is While I don't agree with PokeBunny, I can't say that is a fair statement. He is speaking about his opinion on his spectating enjoyment. If you feel that the highest level of competition is automatically the most fun then that is your opinion, but if he honestly enjoyed MLG more than the GSL, then that is simply how he is. What I don't agree with however is how he tries to make claims such as they aren't good in the league because they don't show enough personality when there are plenty of NA players who have very weak personalities that we never really get to see... yet no one is saying they shouldn't participate. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote: You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining? He likes to watch low skilled games? Just a hunch. | ||
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