• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:56
CEST 14:56
KST 21:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1769 users

NASL: Koreans? Top Koreans? - Page 23

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 106 Next
Peas
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada102 Posts
March 15 2011 23:49 GMT
#441
All those ragging on pokebunny are hillarious. He has been more articulate and sensible then the majority of posters in this thread.

Let me make this clear...thinking an unlimited number of koreans would be a bad thing for the NASL =/= racism.

On March 16 2011 08:04 Peas wrote:
All this talk of inviting the best of the best, simply for the sake of having the best compete in the NASL makes me want to puke. If that is the argument you want to make, then you'd have to agree to an almost strictly Korean NASL...now... how ridiculous does that sound?

Some people mention the quest for global parity in SC2. Letting koreans dominate our home grown tournaments is NOT THE WAY to achieve this. The only way, and I repeat, the only way to level the playing field is to initiate and facilitate grassroots movements. The NASL is an example of this, and it would serve to undermine the quest for parity to allow koreans (certainly in unlimited numbers, i.e. the best of the best) to, in a word, dominate such initiatives.

Some mention (or at least imply by what they say) that parity can only be achieved by forcing koreans to compete with and beside NA/EUR players. No, No, No. That is entirely backwards, that is the "end state", the "goal", the desired culmination of the grassroots movements hitherto mentioned. We need to build an infrastracture that supports NA/EUR SC2 players as they are in Korea, and that enables them to practice as they do in Korea. Only then does it make sense to attempt to homogenize the landscape.

Allowing a few koreans into the NASL for flavour, or to inject a bit more high level talent is fine by me. That said, I believe the NASL should be primarily for NA/EUR players BECAUSE I believe this tournament is for altering the very foundation of the foreigner (ugh i hate that term) scene, and for creating the infrastructure that would ultimately enable parity within the global SC2 community.



User was warned for this post
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
March 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#442
On March 16 2011 08:41 Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:38 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:38 ch33psh33p wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:36 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rekrul wrote:
and why is everyone reacting so much to the dumb shit pokebunny is saying? isnt he like 15?

Yeah, but he's a 15 year old who's basically lying his ass off and making gross exaggerations over and over. And as any internet forum, people are taking the bait.


Rekrul speaks the truth, but unfortunately poeple are falling for his troll bait over and over again

I don't understand how it's troll bait to have a minority opinion.


what you have isn't called an opinion, it's called a flawed understanding of what a real competition is

If only Rekrul still had his mod powers... if only.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#443
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?


On that point i have to agree with pokebunny. The MLG was much more exiting to watch than the gsl, simply because the tournament structure was great.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
March 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#444
Please don't waste big money on amateurs. It would just kill me if $400k was spent on a tournament featuring semi-pro wannabes, when we could have a tournament as stacked as the TSL, with matches like White-Ra vs MC, NesTea vs. IdrA, Mvp vs. Jinro, EVERYDAY.

So an easy way to do it would be invite the top16 of TSL, top16 of code S... For the final 18 spend it on the big name champions/finalists who got eliminated randomly from the 2 above tournaments: like Fruitdealer, NesTea, MarineKing, Mvp... Sprinkled with some foreigners to keep it somewhat balanced.
Hi
KallWest
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany24 Posts
March 15 2011 23:50 GMT
#445
On March 16 2011 08:41 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:40 KallWest wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.


I'm sorry but it just doesn't seem credible to me that someone would find the GSL boring. The GSLTL had some of the coolest games ever and the games today between Zenio and Boxer were entertaining as hell! And those are just two examples. Remember Fruitdealer in GSL1? When he went 3-0 in the finals, my heart was racing like crazy! And that wasn't the only time that happend! Also, watch the ro32 code S group games. The players show plenty of personality in the interview clips they show before the matches. And I don't mind reading subtitles. If they did the same in NASL I would be perfectly happy.

Saying the GSL is boring is like saying "Brazil has a horrible soccer team". Sure, it's an opinion, but everyone who knows soccer will think that you don't know what you are talking about.

I don't understand ..

A better analogy is saying I'd rather watch American soccer than Brazilian soccer, even though I know Brazilians are more skilled. Which is my opinion. Sure it's not the majority, but it's my opinion.

I watch some GSL games when people recommend them, but that's about it.


Well, it makes sense to say you would rather watch MLG than the GSL, but what doesn't make sense is to say that the GSL is boring. I even understand why you would rather watch MLG, since there are more players competing in MLG that you are familiar with and probably often play against, thus you probably have a closer emotional tie to MLG.

But to say that you watch MLG because the GSL is boring doesn't make any sense to me.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 15 2011 23:51 GMT
#446
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?

I feel more interested in the players. They're more familiar and I enjoy watching them grow and compete against eachother. They're people I have opinions on other than their gameplay.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 23:53:20
March 15 2011 23:51 GMT
#447
i would like to see about 5-7 koreans, but the very best ones, like mvp, nestea, mkp, mc. no reason for nasl division to be stacked with 50% koreans, even if they are indeed better then foreigners. if i want to watch koreans play sc2 with a lil bit of foreigner play, i'll watch gsl. nasl stands for north american starleague, it's not friggin world champioship.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Ikuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom97 Posts
March 15 2011 23:51 GMT
#448
I'd have it made up of like 15 Koreans, 15 Europeans and 20 North Americans. That way you get most of the best players in the world and it's not a league filled with people making up the numbers.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
March 15 2011 23:51 GMT
#449
Protectionism doesn't help the protected industry in the long run.

Let lots of strong Koreans into the league until non-Korean players and teams demonstrate that they can consistently compete at the same level.
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
March 15 2011 23:51 GMT
#450
On March 16 2011 08:42 hmunkey wrote:
So, tell me, should the Olympics ban the Keyan running team? Should the World Cup ban the Brazilian national team? What about the NHL disallowing Canadian teams from competing?

How is NASL banning Koreans any different?


This is a silly comparison to make. We're talking about the North American Starcraft League, designed to encourage a rise in the popularity of esports in the West through familiar faces, a high (not "the highest") standard of competition, and relatable players. It's not a World Cup, or an Olympics. That honor would go to the TSL.
whole lies with a half smile
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#451
On March 16 2011 08:51 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?

I feel more interested in the players. They're more familiar and I enjoy watching them grow and compete against eachother. They're people I have opinions on other than their gameplay.


On that note, what is your opinion about European players, especially eastern european ones like White-Ra and Dimaga
KallWest
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany24 Posts
March 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#452
On March 16 2011 08:51 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?

I feel more interested in the players. They're more familiar and I enjoy watching them grow and compete against eachother. They're people I have opinions on other than their gameplay.


HA! I totally called that!
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
March 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#453
On March 16 2011 08:50 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?


On that point i have to agree with pokebunny. The MLG was much more exiting to watch than the gsl, simply because the tournament structure was great.


Yes especially the one that idra one , it was so unexciting that i dont even remember which one it was , seriously. Rekrul said it best having a poor understanding for real competition doesnt isnt a valid opinion.
Ad augusta per angust
vizir
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland154 Posts
March 15 2011 23:53 GMT
#454
For some reason my humble opinion is that I wouldn't want to see any korean domination in NASL but just have the top foreigners to battle for the big bucks. Guess 1 GSL is enough? On the other hand seeing MC sweep the top foreigners has some entertainment value also.. But yeah would be kinda retarted to not invite them after all. "Europeans are welcome but Koreans gtfo.."
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
March 15 2011 23:54 GMT
#455
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?


I don't see how that is such a strange concept. He clearly enjoys watching players who he is more familiar with and who's personalities he knows a bit more. That is after all one of the things NASL is banking on as an important feature they can bring... yet you are so surprised that someone would like that?

But once again, I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying... and I will simply copy paste what I said instead of retyping it.

"What I don't agree with however is how he tries to make claims such as they aren't good in the league because they don't show enough personality when there are plenty of NA players who have very weak personalities that we never really get to see... yet no one is saying they shouldn't participate."

Basically, some of the Korean players have shown more personalities than some NA players--I won't bother mentioning names--even if we have seen about equal amounts of them. I'm not sure why they aren't categorized with the Koreans... or more importantly why Koreans are categorized as a whole.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
March 15 2011 23:54 GMT
#456
On March 16 2011 08:49 Peas wrote:
All those ragging on pokebunny are hillarious. He has been more articulate and sensible then the majority of posters in this thread.

Let me make this clear...thinking an unlimited number of koreans would be a bad thing for the NASL =/= racism.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:04 Peas wrote:
All this talk of inviting the best of the best, simply for the sake of having the best compete in the NASL makes me want to puke. If that is the argument you want to make, then you'd have to agree to an almost strictly Korean NASL...now... how ridiculous does that sound?

Some people mention the quest for global parity in SC2. Letting koreans dominate our home grown tournaments is NOT THE WAY to achieve this. The only way, and I repeat, the only way to level the playing field is to initiate and facilitate grassroots movements. The NASL is an example of this, and it would serve to undermine the quest for parity to allow koreans (certainly in unlimited numbers, i.e. the best of the best) to, in a word, dominate such initiatives.

Some mention (or at least imply by what they say) that parity can only be achieved by forcing koreans to compete with and beside NA/EUR players. No, No, No. That is entirely backwards, that is the "end state", the "goal", the desired culmination of the grassroots movements hitherto mentioned. We need to build an infrastracture that supports NA/EUR SC2 players as they are in Korea, and that enables them to practice as they do in Korea. Only then does it make sense to attempt to homogenize the landscape.

Allowing a few koreans into the NASL for flavour, or to inject a bit more high level talent is fine by me. That said, I believe the NASL should be primarily for NA/EUR players BECAUSE I believe this tournament is for altering the very foundation of the foreigner (ugh i hate that term) scene, and for creating the infrastructure that would ultimately enable parity within the global SC2 community.


Is this really the 2nd time you've quoted yourself? Please give it a rest, people aren't going to suddenly find it more interesting the more you repeat it.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
March 15 2011 23:55 GMT
#457
On March 16 2011 08:51 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?

I feel more interested in the players. They're more familiar and I enjoy watching them grow and compete against eachother. They're people I have opinions on other than their gameplay.


So you would just rather see your friends compete to split some sweet crash price rather than having a real competition. So if u are following football and you are watching the lets say arsenal vs barcelona game , you are clearly watching it because of messi's personality not his actual players skills. I think the show you might be looking for is called Big Brother.
Ad augusta per angust
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 23:58:53
March 15 2011 23:55 GMT
#458
On March 16 2011 08:15 Peas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:04 Peas wrote:
"
"
"


qft


you qft yourself? wtf. insecure much?

to the points...

All this talk of inviting the best of the best, simply for the sake of having the best compete in the NASL makes me want to puke. If that is the argument you want to make, then you'd have to agree to an almost strictly Korean NASL...now... how ridiculous does that sound?




bad argument. How many foreigners have attempted to qualify for the GSL? How many have actually made it? make a ratio out of these two numbers. Now do the same for koreans. Compare ratios. Now try again to make that argument using those two ratios. you will find it is impossible.



Some people mention the quest for global parity in SC2. Letting koreans dominate our home grown tournaments is NOT THE WAY to achieve this. The only way, and I repeat, the only way to level the playing field is to initiate and facilitate grassroots movements. The NASL is an example of this, and it would serve to undermine the quest for parity to allow koreans (certainly in unlimited numbers, i.e. the best of the best) to, in a word, dominate such initiatives.



koreans...undermine...OUR tournaments.....
...must be grassroots...

I dont follow the logic.

Some mention (or at least imply by what they say) that parity can only be achieved by forcing koreans to compete with and beside NA/EUR players. No, No, No. That is entirely backwards, that is the "end state", the "goal", the desired culmination of the grassroots movements hitherto mentioned. We need to build an infrastracture that supports NA/EUR SC2 players as they are in Korea, and that enables them to practice as they do in Korea. Only then does it make sense to attempt to homogenize the landscape.


now you're lumping together EUR/NA? Why don't we just rename it to the Nazi Aryan Super League?

and who is FORCING koreans to compete? last I checked a lot of koreans wanted to.

Allowing a few koreans into the NASL for flavour, or to inject a bit more high level talent is fine by me. That said, I believe the NASL should be primarily for NA/EUR players BECAUSE I believe this tournament is for altering the very foundation of the foreigner (ugh i hate that term) scene, and for creating the infrastructure that would ultimately enable parity within the global SC2 community.


allowing koreans for flavor? parity? there is no coherent flow of argument here except that 'we must disallow too many koreans from competing because we want to support north americans?' this is founded on the belief that people don't want to watch koreans. In order to assume others do not want to watch koreans, you must therefore not want to watch koreans...

this all sounds racist.

and I restate-- you QFTed yourself? seriously?



Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 23:59:01
March 15 2011 23:56 GMT
#459
Personally i believe any league should strive to have the best players.

Though for my own selfish reasons, i actually don't any want Top Koreans in NASL, Because i don't want NASL to take away from the quality of players in GSL.

However i would really like for some of the Code B players, to compete in Nasl. It would be really cool just to see the up and coming Koreans. Theres some intriguing players down there, that personally id just like to see more of.

Btw; I absolutely don't care about the foreigners getting dominated. NASL main goal for me is to keep me entertained between GSL seasons.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
March 15 2011 23:56 GMT
#460
On March 16 2011 08:52 KallWest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 08:51 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:48 Tachion wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:42 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:40 teamsolid wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:31 Rokk wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:28 hmunkey wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:27 Pokebunny wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:26 Clare wrote:
On March 16 2011 08:24 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand how you can say I'm being racist when every point I've made has simply been due to practicality and entertainment rather than race.

That's subjective though. Sure, you might not feel connected to the Koreans, but some people might.

I completely agree that my opinion is subjective, however I don't think it's fair to say my points are based entirely on the race of the player. I'm merely expressing what I would like to see as a spectator.

No, you're expressing what you'd like to see as a potential competitor. If it's for NA only, you have a chance of getting it. If it's for Koreans you have no chance of ever competing in the NASL.

Don't lie.

I don't agree with Pokebunny at all, but at least refute his arguments instead of making up bullshit when he has stated the opposite multiple times.

It doesn't matter what he states. Even if he's not going to make it in this season, if Koreans start getting invited, the chances of him ever competing in the future (in case his skill rises) will still be hurt. Subconsciously, I'm sure he knows this and all this other reasoning is just to justify these gut feelings.

Not at all. I much preferred watching MLG last year than GSL.

You've stated about 10 times in this thread so far that you like NA Starcraft more than KR, but you have not once yet explained why. Would you mind indulging your critics with an actual reason for why you find NA Starcraft matches more entertaining?

I feel more interested in the players. They're more familiar and I enjoy watching them grow and compete against eachother. They're people I have opinions on other than their gameplay.


HA! I totally called that!


He said other than, not solely. And I agree with him. Why do IdrA, HuK, and Jinro's victories in the GSL get massssssive amounts of recommendations in the threads, even if they aren't good games?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Prev 1 21 22 23 24 25 106 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#85
IntoTheiNu 1377
WardiTV909
OGKoka 391
Rex151
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 391
Rex 151
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 8606
Bisu 4081
EffOrt 819
Soma 575
BeSt 488
Mini 277
Zeus 202
Pusan 178
ggaemo 160
Hyun 129
[ Show more ]
Killer 123
hero 101
ToSsGirL 78
PianO 66
Backho 57
Sharp 55
Sea.KH 48
NotJumperer 38
Barracks 35
Sexy 29
Icarus 23
IntoTheRainbow 23
Hm[arnc] 23
soO 20
GoRush 17
Sacsri 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
Movie 12
Terrorterran 9
zelot 8
Dota 2
Gorgc443
syndereN207
monkeys_forever187
canceldota41
Counter-Strike
byalli447
x6flipin423
allub342
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King414
Other Games
singsing2213
B2W.Neo1048
hiko650
Lowko350
Livibee56
elazer18
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream65
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV459
League of Legends
• TFBlade824
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 5m
Replay Cast
11h 5m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
21h 5m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 5m
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
22h 5m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
1d 20h
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
2 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.