EPTOn March 11 2011 18:17 Naniwa wrote:
wtf he won ladder games ? siick.
wtf he won ladder games ? siick.
That wasn't particularly nice. :/
Congrats Tyler!
Tyler v Jinro at PAX (Spoilers) - Page 3
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
That wasn't particularly nice. :/ Congrats Tyler! | ||
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NikonTC
United Kingdom418 Posts
On March 11 2011 21:48 Slipspace wrote: 500$ goes to the winner of the tournament, about as much as you've made in your starcraft career you're derailing this thread as Tyler did play brilliantly, showing hes just as strong of a player he was in bw That was impressive :D OT: I agree, Tyler looked scarily good there, the whole distraction into breaking the front tactic in early game was something I'd always wondered about but never seen anyone do at high level, so I was excited to see it. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:26 Tenks wrote: Does anyone else feel like the game is shifting towards Protoss figuring out how to deal with MMM so effectively that it is no longer a viable option for Terran? I can only speak from my own experience (which is only 3.3k diamond) but it seems like going mass bio is met simply by getting completely crushed. I am seeing the same trend in higher levels of play and in the GSL. I think the Terran thinktank needs to get together and come up with some sort of midgame transition out of bio because it looks like Protoss have the build solved. I think this is why a lot of Terrans are starting to lose. They've been going MMM pretty much since the release and it worked all this time because its really strong and simpel. But it's not wierd that when Protoss spends the entire game building an army exactly to counter MMM that he's going to win. Terrans are just too 1-dimensional atm. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:43 Logros wrote: I think this is why a lot of Terrans are starting to lose. They've been going MMM pretty much since the release and it worked all this time because its really strong and simpel. But it's not wierd that when Protoss spends the entire game building an army exactly to counter MMM that he's going to win. Terrans are just too 1-dimensional atm. I dont think that's true, i mean, has protoss ever done anything besides gateway/colo or gateway/ht? The problem is not with bio but with the way it is played. Alot of terrans are too passive when the strength of bio lies in the mobility. There are a few koreans like MVP who have shown just how good bio is when played correctly. I do agree that terrans should try other strats though, I almost never go bio and it works out great. Terrans need to mix it up, but bio is still one of the strongest, if not the strongest build. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:24 hifriend wrote: Regardless of whether jinro had latency issues Games 1-3 were on KR server actually! Game 4 on NA. Thanks for all the support guys :D | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Games 1-3 were on KR server actually! Game 4 on NA. Thanks for all the support guys :D WoW that is really insane. You played So well Tyler :D Best of luck in TSL in 7 days !!!!! | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:12 ptbl wrote: It better be serious when the prize pool is 500 dollars. The winner of Tyler vs Jinro and TLO vs Haypro will play each other in a showmatch at PAX East for 500 dollars. I also don't take much stock in show matches. There is never cheese and the games are almost always macro oriented. That's why both of them sit back and just macro for the most part at least in game 1 (I have not watched the others yet). Sure money is on the line, but that showmatch money is totally different from the pressure of a GSL championship or A/S up-down match. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Games 1-3 were on KR server actually! Game 4 on NA. Thanks for all the support guys :D Be honest, was beating Jinro a big confidence booster?  | ||
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Velocity`
United Kingdom343 Posts
On March 11 2011 21:48 Slipspace wrote: 500$ goes to the winner of the tournament, about as much as you've made in your starcraft career Ahahahahahahaha Gotta love how Naniwa has gone quiet. Anyway, ggs Tyler, you're my favourite Liquid player, can't wait to see your games in tsl3. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:58 lac29 wrote: I also don't take much stock in show matches. There is never cheese and the games are almost always macro oriented. That's why both of them sit back and just macro for the most part at least in game 1 (I have not watched the others yet). Sure money is on the line, but that showmatch money is totally different from the pressure of a GSL championship or A/S up-down match. I'm not sure if you realize the bigger maps tend to make the games more macro orientated. Also, I would watch all the games before you make any assertions. | ||
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
On March 11 2011 18:20 Naniwa wrote: showmatches? really!? then it must be very serious. Lolololol the infamous Naniwa... Are you jealous? Edit: Now that I got past the bm and really read the thread I'll give my input. As neither a Terran nor a Protoss player, Tyler's builds seemed very well thought out and refined, and I feel like that double forge opening is going to become more popular as time goes on because of how strong it is due to relatively low cost and how much it benefits from chronoboost. When you think about it, double forge 2/2 upgrades costs something like 800/500 (minerals/gas) including the forges (someone correct me if I'm wrong), as well as a good amount of chronoboost. This is definitely a heavy investment for Protoss but when you think about how much a Protoss army benefits from 2/2, especially colossus, I feel like the benefit for the cost is higher then if you just went single forge upgrades and spent more money and chronoboost on units. (Basically double forge 2/2 provides very high benefit from that investment of 800 minerals, 500 gas, and chronoboost, in comparison to just getting more units and using a similar timing attack.) Also, it leads into the really powerful mid game of colossus/blink stalker which is really strong as it comes at a time where the Terran seems to have a very low amount of anti-colossus units, mainly vikings. Tyler did lose that game but if he macroed a bit better I'm sure he could've taken out Jinro as he had a pretty significant lead (and that isn't meant to be a bash on Tyler, but rather an indication of potentially how much stronger his strategy could be). | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 12 2011 02:01 ptbl wrote: I'm not sure if you realize the bigger maps tend to make the games more macro orientated. Also, I would watch all the games before you make any assertions. The assertion is that you can predict how well a player is improving through show matches. Well my point is that show matches are totally different situations from real matches. Different things are on the line and while money is a good motivator for these games, it's not the same thing as a tournament situation where anything can happen. In show matches cheesing is probably heavily frowned upon because show matches are all about showing nice long games. | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 12 2011 02:06 lac29 wrote: The assertion is that you can predict how well a player is improving through show matches. Well my point is that show matches are totally different situations from real matches. Different things are on the line and while money is a good motivator for these games, it's not the same thing as a tournament situation where anything can happen. In show matches cheesing is probably heavily frowned upon because show matches are all about showing nice long games. I cannot believe you're saying that 500 dollars in this show match has no bearing. Next, you're going to tell me the $1500 Clash of the Titans showmatch had no influence between Idra and Jinro. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:43 Logros wrote: I think this is why a lot of Terrans are starting to lose. They've been going MMM pretty much since the release and it worked all this time because its really strong and simpel. But it's not wierd that when Protoss spends the entire game building an army exactly to counter MMM that he's going to win. Terrans are just too 1-dimensional atm. Terran dont really have any other options. Why do you think you know better than Jinro who has been experimenting with Mech? Its so easy for non terran players to say "just go mech", "teran players only use tier 1 units, thats why they lose". Mech may be viable, if players get good enough at doing it, but right now I kind of doubt that it ever will be. I mean how do you defeat a protoss player going blink stalker/collosus, blinking up in the terrans main? Terrans cant do shit about it. And while some terran players are having decent succces with mech, remember that they are having much more experience playing mech than toss are dealing against it (like a lot of toss players are really bad at defending hellion harass and abusing the immobility). | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On March 12 2011 02:08 ptbl wrote: I cannot believe you're saying that 500 dollars in this show match has no bearing. Next, you're going to tell me the $1500 Clash of the Titans showmatch had no influence between Idra and Jinro. If you know certain strategies are not going to be used ... how does that test your skill. It makes it obviously easier to play the game. Tyler is awesome and his builds and skills are great ... but the when figuring out how well a player is improving overall as a player ... I'd look at real matches in tournament settings rather than showmatches. | ||
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RevRich
United States218 Posts
On March 11 2011 18:20 Naniwa wrote: showmatches? really!? then it must be very serious. Wait, who are you again? Shuffle off troll... Nice work tyler, I didn't know a lot of those games were on the KR server. Looks like playing on KR has sharpened you up quite a bit, GL in TSL3! | ||
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Tallrick
Sweden130 Posts
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CryMeAReaper
Denmark1135 Posts
Wow, just wow. GJ Tyler! | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
On March 12 2011 02:12 lac29 wrote: If you know certain strategies are not going to be used ... how does that test your skill. It makes it obviously easier to play the game. Tyler is awesome and his builds and skills are great ... but the when figuring out how well a player is improving overall as a player ... I'd look at real matches in tournament settings rather than showmatches. So, you're saying you would rather prefer a 4 man tournament with a prize pool of 10 dollars compared to a 4 person showmatch with 500 dollars on the line. Whatever floats your boat. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Games 1-3 were on KR server actually! Game 4 on NA. Thanks for all the support guys :D Some great games, nicely done Tyler. I look forward to this kind od epic play next weekend in the TSL. I have a feeling your gonna go all the way again. | ||
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