EPTTyler v Jinro at PAX (Spoilers) - Page 5
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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fatalities
United States91 Posts
On March 12 2011 05:41 Irave wrote: Any chance the link to the vods could be posted in the op? From the sounds of it these seem like really good games to watch. Tyler #1 check day9's youtube channel. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4519 Posts
On March 11 2011 18:20 Naniwa wrote: showmatches? really!? then it must be very serious. Why do people hate you? You're the most well mannered player around.. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
also daaang @ slipspaces slap | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
On March 11 2011 20:32 MaRkieMarK wrote: I do feel that while Tyler played really really solid, Jinro didn't really play to his full potential. On March 12 2011 00:39 Healingproof wrote: Look at the 3 most recent tournaments: GSTL PvT: 14-4 GSL PvT: 24-15 IEM PvT: 17-9 Total PvT: 55-28 I don't want to take anything away from Tyler but I personally feld like Jinro played alot better. The PvT matchup is just so incredibly broken at the moment in favour of Protoss. People really need to stop making arguments like these. The players themselves don't make excuses like these, they pick out the things they did poorly and practice so that next time they do them better. Why must we degrade our players' achievements with talk of imbalance and illegitimacy? Is it so hard to say "they both played a good game, and one of them won"? It works in sports, it can work here, too. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9408 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
Sports are balanced. sc2 is not. The statistic shows a clear trend, that terran atm cant beat good protoss players. If it was truly "can't" then the stats would be 100% in favor of Protoss. Don't misconstrue actual results with generalized statements. | ||
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Serpico
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On March 12 2011 07:00 Treehead wrote: People really need to stop making arguments like these. The players themselves don't make excuses like these, they pick out the things they did poorly and practice so that next time they do them better. Why must we degrade our players' achievements with talk of imbalance and illegitimacy? Is it so hard to say "they both played a good game, and one of them won"? It works in sports, it can work here, too. Because esports dont work the same as sports at all really. They're much more complicated and less straight forward in their balance. | ||
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geNis
113 Posts
People really need to stop making arguments like these. The players themselves don't make excuses like these, they pick out the things they did poorly and practice so that next time they do them better. Why must we degrade our players' achievements with talk of imbalance and illegitimacy? Is it so hard to say "they both played a good game, and one of them won"? It works in sports, it can work here, too. Uhh, I don't wanna sound like a dick but Jinro recently even stated himself that TvP was not in a good state. While I might be taking the quote out of context here it is: On March 11 2011 14:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The latency was fine today, some days it sucks. Today was no issue. I think i played fine game 1 and 2 and i think i missed a ton of depots game 3. I also think anyone who says PvT is fine is an idiot, but primarily because terran cant win if protoss gets templars late game which wasnt really an issue in any of todays games. I don't want to turn this into a QQ balance thread, so GG Tyler <3 Need more streaming from you mate! Need some more epic PvPs on stream where you think its a draw then smile slyly as you realize you can mine from your probes xD. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On March 12 2011 05:08 Aequos wrote: I still can't get over how effective zealots are with the upgrade advantage. Looks like I've been playing wrong since release. I'm interested to see if the same heavy upgrade style would fare well against Zerg. Fully upgraded chargelots are probably the king of ground overall. It's insane how strong of a unit that one is. Tanks insane amounts of damage while costing next to nothing, and doing stupid DPS or forcing your opponent to constantly kite. I love chargelots. I wish people would make them and abuse them more. | ||
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
On March 12 2011 07:00 Treehead wrote: People really need to stop making arguments like these. The players themselves don't make excuses like these, they pick out the things they did poorly and practice so that next time they do them better. Why must we degrade our players' achievements with talk of imbalance and illegitimacy? Is it so hard to say "they both played a good game, and one of them won"? It works in sports, it can work here, too. Jinro usually says he's not comfortable with PvT, but that's just his nice way of saying it's imbalanced. Then again, I'm pretty sure I've heard him say it's a bit unbalanced somewhere in the forums. And he's not the only one, tons of top Terran players are calling it an unfair match-up. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On March 12 2011 09:40 SniXSniPe wrote: Jinro usually says he's not comfortable with PvT, but that's just his nice way of saying it's imbalanced. Then again, I'm pretty sure I've heard him say it's a bit unbalanced somewhere in the forums. And he's not the only one, tons of top Terran players are calling it an unfair match-up. i think that when jinro says he isnt comfortable with PvT he means that he isnt comfortable with PvT. Its by far his weakest MU imo | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
On March 12 2011 01:54 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Games 1-3 were on KR server actually! Game 4 on NA. Thanks for all the support guys :D You played great Awesome timing on the 2 gate blink | ||
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Jayrod
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On March 12 2011 07:10 Hider wrote: Sports are balanced. sc2 is not. The statistic shows a clear trend, that terran atm cant beat good protoss players. This is garbage. Jinro beat MC and MVP beat just about everybody last season, and the only reason he lost this season is he didn't play very well. All the imbalance talk is just stupid. TvP is a hard matchup, sure, and so is PvT, the player who plays better will win. It's funny to me that I see more terran's complaining about balance lately than zerg>< | ||
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Hider
Denmark9408 Posts
On March 12 2011 07:27 nvs. wrote: If it was truly "can't" then the stats would be 100% in favor of Protoss. Don't misconstrue actual results with generalized statements. That could not be more wrong cus of 2 reasons: 1) Variance + 2) Difference in skill level. | ||
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Denmark9408 Posts
On March 12 2011 10:01 Jayrod wrote: For it being his weakest matchup he seemed to do nicely to beat arguably the best protoss in the world. I think terrans complain because they are so dominant in TvZ and TvT is a mirror. Having a matchup where they cant completely control the pace of the game probably automatically makes it feel uncomfortable. The best playr in the world has played like 700 ladder games and dont practice custom games? Jinro has probably plaed like 5 times or more as many tvp as Tyler has played Pvts. | ||
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ALang
Canada288 Posts
And history has shown us nony operates much different than the average player. He gets builds down and plays them out almost flawlessly. It's not about how many games you mass, it's what you're doing with your practice time. If it was purely about amount of practice Whitera would be king of the world, but instead he's relegated to being one of the top 3 toss in Europe. Dude plays thousands of games. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9408 Posts
On March 12 2011 12:05 ALang wrote: The hell are you talking about. He was referring to MC not Tyler. And history has shown us nony operates much different than the average player. He gets builds down and plays them out almost flawlessly. It's not about how many games you mass, it's what you're doing with your practice time. If it was purely about amount of practice Whitera would be king of the world, but instead he's relegated to being one of the top 3 toss in Europe. Dude plays thousands of games. Sry for my misread. ANyway. Whitera has 2 jobs (if i rembember correctly) and a family. Doubt he practices that much. | ||
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