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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
Also keep in mind that specially after the first seasons, the 50 best players will NOT be attending the open tournament (or 42 who already qualified for next one, not sure if the players who dropped out can attend the open tournament of the same season), making it a lot easier to get to top 8 than for example in MLG. I think this format brings a lot more variety in the league than for example GSL has, due to 8 qualifiers from open tournament. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
Like: 10 pts for Popularity 15 pts for accomplishments 10 points for production value of YT video Might be a good tool for the NASL crew to use when screening the apps. | ||
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MasterJack
Canada215 Posts
On March 14 2011 21:29 Wesso wrote: The only advantage he has is actually getting to play for sure. And since any tournament can make it's own rules about who gets to play, I don't think it's a problem. Isn't that advantage already a relatively big conflict of interest? | ||
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Penke
Sweden346 Posts
1: For the intial 9 weeks, I've understood that the players in the five division will face all players in their division once. But this will most probably lead to a lot of players in each division having the same amount of wins, on what criteria will the NASL seperate these players? 2: The bottom 16 players from week 1-9 will come from 5 seperate divisions. Which division will have the bottom four players out? (Is it only going to be based on wins and the answer from question 1? In this case there could be a lot of players from one division and few from another depending on the equalness of skill in the division. This might seem unfair to some people.) | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 15 2011 01:24 Penke wrote: 2: The bottom 16 players from week 1-9 will come from 5 seperate divisions. Which division will have the bottom four players out? (Is it only going to be based on points and the answer from question 1? In this case there could be a lot of players from one division and few from another depending on the equalness of skill in the division. This might seem unfair to some people.) Yeah imo that does not make much sense. The top 10 are chosen by being the top 2 in their respective group. At the same time the bottom 16 are chosen by having the fewest points across the groups. Top and bottom should either both be chosen within their groups or both should be chosen cross groups. Not one within the group and the other cross, thats just inconsistent. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On March 14 2011 21:29 Wesso wrote: The only advantage he has is actually getting to play for sure. And since any tournament can make it's own rules about who gets to play, I don't think it's a problem. It is only a problem if it is made to look like a problem. Like if more popular and more skilled players are left out in favor of NASL or EG affiliated players of lesser skill. the NASL will have to err on the careful side, seems like many people are looking for any possible angle to call BS on this league. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On March 09 2011 07:56 Xeris wrote: UPDATE: We have officially released the tournament format! Enjoy ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/sfaUC.jpg) Hey Xeris, Looking at the bracket under week 13.....Shouldn't 7 play 10 and 8 play 9? Looks like you have 8 plays 10 and 7 plays 9. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 12 2011 07:31 GhostFall wrote: its not 7 best of ones. its 7 bo3 series. Plus its top 8. That eliminates a lot of the randomness. Honestly after reading and understanding everything, I like the system a lot. It is very fair as is, and does not extra seeding in the open tournament. It is still quite random. It will all depend on how the players are seeded for this one tournament. When 2 good players are within the same eighth part of the grid obviously only one of them can advance. Also when you look for example at some weekly cups, you will see that the top 8 there is every time completely different, even if largely the same players entered. And getting top 8 in this one tournament guarantees a spot in the NASL without any up-and-down match or anything. Thats why I really hope NASL will still come up with a different system, like a series of qualifiers with a point system. That should do a better job at finding the 8 most deserving players. But overall I share your opinion that the tournament format is quite fair. For sure more fair than MLG for example. And with the round-robin 10 man groups we will have a much better placement of players in relation to their skill level than for example at GSL. At GSL some of the best players are kicked out after loosing only 2 bo1s, which can happen anytime. That will thankfully not happen in NASL. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
5-12/4-13 6-11/3-14 7-10/2-15 That's how the NCAA bracket goes and I don't see why you guys wouldn't use it. It seems awkward that 4 guys who don't get into the playoff for spots 11-15 qualify for next season. Would rather see the top 30 from Division play join the top 8 from each Q tournament. That would put you at 46 players. The last 4 could be invites so you can include some fan favorites who somehow don't make it in. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On March 15 2011 02:37 Pudge_172 wrote: 1-16/8-9 5-12/4-13 6-11/3-14 7-10/2-15 That's how the NCAA bracket goes and I don't see why you guys wouldn't use it. It seems awkward that 4 guys who don't get into the playoff for spots 11-15 qualify for next season. Would rather see the top 30 from Division play join the top 8 from each Q tournament. That would put you at 46 players. The last 4 could be invites so you can include some fan favorites who somehow don't make it in. I think they will do it like that that. Xeris said something like "you should not read to much into that illustration and we will do a seeding that makes sense". | ||
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VoAchilles
United States82 Posts
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PetRockSteve
United States70 Posts
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On March 15 2011 01:24 Penke wrote: I have two questions for anyone to answer if they have the information. 1: For the intial 9 weeks, I've understood that the players in the five division will face all players in their division once. But this will most probably lead to a lot of players in each division having the same amount of wins, on what criteria will the NASL seperate these players? 2: The bottom 16 players from week 1-9 will come from 5 seperate divisions. Which division will have the bottom four players out? (Is it only going to be based on wins and the answer from question 1? In this case there could be a lot of players from one division and few from another depending on the equalness of skill in the division. This might seem unfair to some people.) To answer 1: it's wins based on series first, and then wins based on games as a tiebreaker. They haven't released any information regarding if that second step is also a tie. | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On March 15 2011 01:57 Zorkmid wrote: Hey Xeris, Looking at the bracket under week 13.....Shouldn't 7 play 10 and 8 play 9? Looks like you have 8 plays 10 and 7 plays 9. Yeah I was interested in this as well, it looks like the top seed and the the third seed meet in the second round. i would think he would at least be in the 2nd quarter bracket, of course maybe this is so they can get better games earlier on but by this point of the tournament I am sure nearly every match will be great. EDIT:: On March 15 2011 02:41 Redox wrote: I think they will do it like that that. Xeris said something like "you should not read to much into that illustration and we will do a seeding that makes sense". Oops I missed this post, I guess that answers my question. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
Can GSL-players really play in this league without having it conflict with the GSL? | ||
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Toriko
Canada60 Posts
On March 15 2011 01:57 Zorkmid wrote: Hey Xeris, Looking at the bracket under week 13.....Shouldn't 7 play 10 and 8 play 9? Looks like you have 8 plays 10 and 7 plays 9. ROFL I seriously hope that is a mistake because it looks amateurish. If seed 1 and seed 3 win, they play each other in the second round If seed 2 and seed 4 win, they play each other in the second round. By their logic, I'd rather be seeded 7-10 because then I'd play the higher seeded players at the end only. Anyways Xeris says it is the official release of the bracket format but....... Community proof-readers are great =) But having internal proof-readers is even better!! | ||
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
First, it may already be wayyyy too late to do anything about the Invite System about NASL, but I want to bring up a couple issues that it brings up. First, is conflict of interest. Let us take the "face" of NASL, Incontrol. I'm sure he is a great player, but he has no major tournament wins. If he grabs one of the 50 sports for NASL, there is going to be huge backlash. There are going to be tons of discussions on why he managed to get into NASL, when players who do have tournament results did not manage to get in. It won't just be Incontrol that will be affected. Anyone in EG and anyone who are friends with Incontrol, like Artosis, are going to get incredibly shat on if they don't have tournament results and they get in over others that do. To an outside observer, it seems incredibly unfair and this take away from the legitimacy of Starcraft 2 as an Esport. Second is the issue with Koreans. I want Koreans to play in the NASL However, many feel it is unfair that they can simply just be invited to join the NASL. Foreign players had to travel to Korea and participate in 3 qualifiers to try to get into Code S and Code A. This gave foreigners a significant disadvantage, both in environment and in language. If instead of an invite system there was a offline qualification tournament here in America, no one would complain about a Korean making it into NASL. If they flew here, submitted their application video, and qualified fair and square just like all the other 49 players going through that will fill out the NASL, no one will say he didn't earn his spot. I realize qualifiers introduce randomness into the system, but if a player really is one of the best in the world, they need to prove it with results. If they don't get in the first season, then they can try the 1024 open qualifier. If they can't qualify for that, they wait till next season. Spectators and fans of the NASL are told to be patient, shouldnt that apply to players as well? Finally, an Invite system is not very competitive. If there were cutthroat qualifiers for the NASL group tournament, that would bring out competitors from everywhere. Players would be forced to step up their game just to qualify. More competition = better play from players. The Invite system, however, is the exact opposite of a competitive system until season 2 and the open qualifiers starts. because of the randomness of qualification tournaments, it would force player to get better. It would force them to not mess up against players worse than them. Do you agree that these are issues? is anything being done about them? | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
You're forgetting that the NASL wants personality and popularity, not just raw skill. iNcontrol is a great candidate based on that, and he's a good player as well. Selecting purely on qualifiers also eliminates that. The NASL wants control over who gets in, they want specific personalities and types of people, not just the most skilled players. Personality counts for this league, simple as that. | ||
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
I've been watching the Gosucoaching stream for the GCPL and the lag, while being moderate, is very annoying and would certainly be unacceptable for a more serious and professional league such as GSL or what the NASL aims to be. The audio/video desynchronization also is absolutely essential and should be fixed for the NASL. I believe the cause is probably hardware related or could be possibly due to low internet bandwidth. Whichever the case, the source of the problem needs to be determined and fixed. For the record, I'm not the only one experiencing this issue with your stream and my computer + internet connection are absolutely not at fault here. I'd really like that this would be acknowledged at the very least, because this could discourage many from buying NASL products, including myself. | ||
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