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Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
March 09 2011 03:55 GMT
#1461
The only thing I'm not a fan of is the 34 players returning. That seems like an awful lot of people automatically being granted free re-entry into the next tournament. I'd much rather see only the 16 players in the grand final.

But that's a pretty minor gripe compared to the entire tournament. The more information that comes out about this, the more excited I'm getting. Keep up the good work.
Hoju
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
March 09 2011 03:57 GMT
#1462
On March 09 2011 12:28 Thrax wrote:
There is a HUGE mistake in the brackets at http://www.nasl.tv/Images/graphLarge.jpg
* Seeds 1 and 3, and 2 and 4 hit each other in second round when they should hit each other in third round.
* Each first round pair should sum to 17 and that's not the case (one sums to 16 and the other to 18)
Hopefully this is just an error in the image and not in the actual tournament format.
I will try to find an image of a single elimination bracket with seeds correctly positioned.

Edit: here we go, this bracket is good: http://www.wvmat.com/brackets/bracket8.jpg


this is how it's normally done, not sure if you guys are trying to be different or just made them up on the fly.

The way outlined in the second link is how it's done in order to maximize the advantage of the higher seeds. So, assuming the higher seed wins every game, the #1 seed will play the lowest seeded player the next round.

At the very least, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds should be in different quarters of the bracket, otherwise the seeds have little meaning.
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ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
March 09 2011 03:59 GMT
#1463
Thanks for posting the brackets, awesome!

I must say though, as a professional graphic artist, I see various errors on the bracket image. Sorry if it makes you guys uncomfortable me writing this, but I feel the professional image NASL is trying to represent, is being stained with things like these.

1) Red box text is scaled horizontally, this makes it look highly unprofessional.
2) "Remaining" text is written "Remaing"
3) I dont understand the palette. You have a really nice saturated green and purple, though you maintain unsaturated blues and reds, and a really weird chick yellow that stands too much out of the image.
4) Image compression: You can see the artifacts near the the texts. Preferably, as this is an image that will be highly viewed, either try not to compress the jpg or save it as a lossless png, which makes it much better.
5) "Single Elimination" is written "Single Elimation".
6) There is no NASL logo on the image. Every separate image should have the NASL logo.

I think all these issues are a must fix.
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
March 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#1464
On March 09 2011 12:59 ZeroCartin wrote:
Thanks for posting the brackets, awesome!

I must say though, as a professional graphic artist, I see various errors on the bracket image. Sorry if it makes you guys uncomfortable me writing this, but I feel the professional image NASL is trying to represent, is being stained with things like these.

1) Red box text is scaled horizontally, this makes it look highly unprofessional.
2) "Remaining" text is written "Remaing"
3) I dont understand the palette. You have a really nice saturated green and purple, though you maintain unsaturated blues and reds, and a really weird chick yellow that stands too much out of the image.
4) Image compression: You can see the artifacts near the the texts. Preferably, as this is an image that will be highly viewed, either try not to compress the jpg or save it as a lossless png, which makes it much better.
5) "Single Elimination" is written "Single Elimation".
6) There is no NASL logo on the image. Every separate image should have the NASL logo.

I think all these issues are a must fix.

I feel the exact same way. I like that you guys are keeping us up to date, but I feel there has to be as good as an effort on the graphics part in order for NASL to be something as cool as GSL , which i have no doubt you guys can accomplish.
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
March 09 2011 04:29 GMT
#1465
On March 09 2011 12:57 Hoju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 12:28 Thrax wrote:
There is a HUGE mistake in the brackets at http://www.nasl.tv/Images/graphLarge.jpg
* Seeds 1 and 3, and 2 and 4 hit each other in second round when they should hit each other in third round.
* Each first round pair should sum to 17 and that's not the case (one sums to 16 and the other to 18)
Hopefully this is just an error in the image and not in the actual tournament format.
I will try to find an image of a single elimination bracket with seeds correctly positioned.

Edit: here we go, this bracket is good: http://www.wvmat.com/brackets/bracket8.jpg


this is how it's normally done, not sure if you guys are trying to be different or just made them up on the fly.

The way outlined in the second link is how it's done in order to maximize the advantage of the higher seeds. So, assuming the higher seed wins every game, the #1 seed will play the lowest seeded player the next round.

At the very least, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds should be in different quarters of the bracket, otherwise the seeds have little meaning.


yeah this NEEDS to be fixed.

it should be (from top to bottom)

1-16, 8-9, 4-13, 5-12, 7-10, 6-11, 3-14, 2-15

otherwise it's impossible for the top 4 seeds to all be in semis
Chrysalis.145
Axeinst
Profile Joined March 2011
Belize281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 04:32:38
March 09 2011 04:32 GMT
#1466
Why those formats are always so complicated and confusing?

This format is the most confusing i have ever seen.
motioncity
Profile Joined May 2010
United States37 Posts
March 09 2011 04:59 GMT
#1467
back again. i read the update post and still think having the games live trumps all other values of not being live. just wanted to restate my opinion and dont want to beat a dead horse
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 05:21:14
March 09 2011 05:18 GMT
#1468
Oh man. 1024 men single elimination is awesome!.
The winner = win 10 games straight.
He is bound to be a stud.
Too bad he faces the top seed of the tournament right away...
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
DND_Enkil
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden598 Posts
March 09 2011 07:29 GMT
#1469
Love the format!

This should bring awesome matches at every stage of the torunament, and 16 new players each round shounds pretty good.
"If you write about a sewing needle there is always some one-eyed bastard that gets offended" - Fritiof The Pirate Nilsson
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 09 2011 08:04 GMT
#1470
We'll fix the bracket image, don't worry we will seed it properly =D
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dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
March 09 2011 08:08 GMT
#1471
On March 09 2011 12:59 ZeroCartin wrote:I must say though, as a professional graphic artist, I see various errors on the bracket image.


Agreed, it looks unprofessional and like something a high schooler would throw together. Now, once the league is underway and things start pickin up, there will no doubt be improvements. But still, consider outsourcing the graphic design stuff or get some people who know what they're doing.
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 08:55:31
March 09 2011 08:47 GMT
#1472
Spent 5 minutes in paint adding logo and fixing spelling error:



[image loading]


Please use it or modify yours to better express the NASL. The community wants this to be the best that it can. <3
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 09:54:00
March 09 2011 09:52 GMT
#1473
Hi, I have a queation.

As huge and awesome NASL is going to be, it will be impossible for a person like me to watch every single game. Personally I will pick a few players and follow them. Even though I will not be able to see every game I want do want to be "involved" in the tournament as much as possible.

Will there be a recap show every week? a show where you will show all the results and highlights of the games played that week, so that people like me can follow it as good as possible without having to invest impossible amounts of time or just rely on results without seing any actual gameplay.
Always look on the bright side of life
durbarak
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 11:58:23
March 09 2011 11:57 GMT
#1474
Hey, I got some questions about the format, too.

#1 How do you determine seeding for the Top2 of each Division(red spots)?
#2 Is it one bracket per division or do we see mixed brackets(blue spots; 3rd-6th place in each Div.)?
#3 "bottom 16 out" How do you get from 20(7th - 10th place) to 16?
"Oh, I see sth." "What did he build?" "He built a CIRCLE!"
br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
March 09 2011 16:15 GMT
#1475
AS IF once you open NASL.TV theres a big ad in your face.
Is nasl affiliated with blizzard? if so, why is the site bad...

anyways should be awesome tourny atleast!!

Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 09 2011 18:45 GMT
#1476
On March 09 2011 18:52 Deckkie wrote:
Hi, I have a queation.

As huge and awesome NASL is going to be, it will be impossible for a person like me to watch every single game. Personally I will pick a few players and follow them. Even though I will not be able to see every game I want do want to be "involved" in the tournament as much as possible.

Will there be a recap show every week? a show where you will show all the results and highlights of the games played that week, so that people like me can follow it as good as possible without having to invest impossible amounts of time or just rely on results without seing any actual gameplay.


Yes we're planning on doing this!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 09 2011 18:46 GMT
#1477
On March 09 2011 20:57 durbarak wrote:
Hey, I got some questions about the format, too.

#1 How do you determine seeding for the Top2 of each Division(red spots)?
#2 Is it one bracket per division or do we see mixed brackets(blue spots; 3rd-6th place in each Div.)?
#3 "bottom 16 out" How do you get from 20(7th - 10th place) to 16?


Each division will play in a round robin format. Top 2 are the two players with the best record.

The players from 11-40 will be ranked and the top 20 of those advance to the playoffs to play for 5 more spots, with the last spot going to the open tournament winner.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 09 2011 18:52 GMT
#1478
On March 09 2011 13:29 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 12:57 Hoju wrote:
On March 09 2011 12:28 Thrax wrote:
There is a HUGE mistake in the brackets at http://www.nasl.tv/Images/graphLarge.jpg
* Seeds 1 and 3, and 2 and 4 hit each other in second round when they should hit each other in third round.
* Each first round pair should sum to 17 and that's not the case (one sums to 16 and the other to 18)
Hopefully this is just an error in the image and not in the actual tournament format.
I will try to find an image of a single elimination bracket with seeds correctly positioned.

Edit: here we go, this bracket is good: http://www.wvmat.com/brackets/bracket8.jpg


this is how it's normally done, not sure if you guys are trying to be different or just made them up on the fly.

The way outlined in the second link is how it's done in order to maximize the advantage of the higher seeds. So, assuming the higher seed wins every game, the #1 seed will play the lowest seeded player the next round.

At the very least, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds should be in different quarters of the bracket, otherwise the seeds have little meaning.


yeah this NEEDS to be fixed.

it should be (from top to bottom)

1-16, 8-9, 4-13, 5-12, 7-10, 6-11, 3-14, 2-15

otherwise it's impossible for the top 4 seeds to all be in semis

No your way makes 3 and 2 hit eachother in Round 2 as well...

Should be {[1v16,9v8][5v12,13v4]}{[13v4,6v11][7v10,15v2]}
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ChrysaliS_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States261 Posts
March 09 2011 18:59 GMT
#1479
On March 10 2011 03:52 Kazzabiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 13:29 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
On March 09 2011 12:57 Hoju wrote:
On March 09 2011 12:28 Thrax wrote:
There is a HUGE mistake in the brackets at http://www.nasl.tv/Images/graphLarge.jpg
* Seeds 1 and 3, and 2 and 4 hit each other in second round when they should hit each other in third round.
* Each first round pair should sum to 17 and that's not the case (one sums to 16 and the other to 18)
Hopefully this is just an error in the image and not in the actual tournament format.
I will try to find an image of a single elimination bracket with seeds correctly positioned.

Edit: here we go, this bracket is good: http://www.wvmat.com/brackets/bracket8.jpg


this is how it's normally done, not sure if you guys are trying to be different or just made them up on the fly.

The way outlined in the second link is how it's done in order to maximize the advantage of the higher seeds. So, assuming the higher seed wins every game, the #1 seed will play the lowest seeded player the next round.

At the very least, the 1, 2, 3, and 4 seeds should be in different quarters of the bracket, otherwise the seeds have little meaning.


yeah this NEEDS to be fixed.

it should be (from top to bottom)

1-16, 8-9, 4-13, 5-12, 7-10, 6-11, 3-14, 2-15

otherwise it's impossible for the top 4 seeds to all be in semis

No your way makes 3 and 2 hit eachother in Round 2 as well...

Should be {[1v16,9v8][5v12,13v4]}{[13v4,6v11][7v10,15v2]}


you're right, my bad
Chrysalis.145
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
March 09 2011 19:02 GMT
#1480
So if this thing is going to be 13 weeks long with and average of say 4 best of 3 per day thats around 260 best of 3 (so anything from 520 to 780 matches) matches...

My questions are: is your plan to cast every single one of those best of 3 or w/e? Or I am wrong i thinking there will be BO3 in the early stage, ie. division stage?

I agree with the fellow above asking for a recap video. I hope you have a patient editing team.

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