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On February 25 2011 04:36 paksam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:26 multiversed- wrote:
i didn't confuse anything. it's all the same community regardless of what website you post on and the rules that they impose. and spoken like a true community member. what else do i owe you little guy? that is not true at all, TeamLiquid is a community by itself imo. I personally don't visit the site only for starcraft related info but for many other reasons one being the news. And TL has its own rules, meaning you do need to follow them if you want to be a part of the community. You seem to be confused with the fact that TL does a lot more than just bring you starcraft related news.
just look at the way you worded that. it's as if just by posting on TL, the actions of people who contribute directly to the community and the respect they deserve somehow has something to do with you.
i don't want to invest anything further here. i fear it will get negative and i simply don't care if you share my opinions or not. you may freely ignore them.
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On February 25 2011 04:46 CherubDown wrote:
These financial questions are literally none of our business - pun intended - but I'm serious.
While it may not be our businesses, as fans we still care because we enjoy Starcraft and we want to see good games played and all our favorite players.
Much like the NFL and the players union and the whole mess and possible lock out, I know the NASL isn't there, but we care and we want to know.
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On February 25 2011 04:45 Chill wrote:
Question:
Korea has already shown interest in the NASL with their netizen comments. Are there any plans to add Korean translations? Are there any plans to add Korean commentators? Will the NASL allow third-party subtitles or redubs? Will the NASL allow rehosting of free VODs?
The idea of this happening just blew my mind.
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On February 25 2011 04:46 CherubDown wrote:
These financial questions are literally none of our business - pun intended - but I'm serious.
I guess my question is more of a general thing.
If a company hosts an event where the prizes are 100% sponsored, does the sponsor also have to pay the company for running the tournament? If they don't, how do the staff ever make money? Do the staff have a main sponsor for the prize money and then sell secondary advertisements to cover their costs and salaries? I have no idea how a standard arrangement works in this situation.
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Question:
When Gretorp or yourself are playing who will be the fill in casters ?
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On February 25 2011 04:49 ShadowLegacy wrote:
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When Gretorp or yourself are playing who will be the fill in casters ?
I believe this has yet to be disclosed.
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On February 25 2011 04:38 jaearess wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:33 Skytalker wrote:
I just wanted to say i value live broadcasts more then "wow"-effects. For me it's the same wether it's soccer, the olympics or e-sports, always prefered live before replays... Not sure if you just chose your words poorly, or if you are mistaken, but games will not be cast from replays. They will be cast live, as the players are playing. They will just be broadcast at a later time, with no one outside the players and NASL employees knowing the results (including match histories on Battle.Net.)
well, maybe the word replay was poorly chosen as i did not mean replays as in sc2 replays but as in live broadcasts not shown live but at a later point in time. I still prefer watching sports and in this case e-sports live. They could lie and say its live, and i would probably be unknowingly happy 
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On February 25 2011 04:48 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:46 CherubDown wrote:
These financial questions are literally none of our business - pun intended - but I'm serious. I guess my question is more of a general thing. If a company hosts an event where the prizes are 100% sponsored, does the sponsor also have to pay the company for running the tournament? If they don't, how do the staff ever make money? Do the staff have a main sponsor for the prize money and then sell secondary advertisements to cover their costs and salaries? I have no idea how a standard arrangement works in this situation.
I asked about venture capital because I am interested, and there may be others who are interested.
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Question:
Will players be able to switch teams mid-season?
What will happen to a player that leaves a team mid-season and remains teamless?
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Since it seems like we are actually getting questions answered now (yay) I'm going to repost two that would really like answered.
Questions:
1. Is there any intention to switch in future seasons to a competitive, objective qualification system of some sort instead of invites? (Top performers from previous seasons stay, new people replace poor performers based on challenge matches, qualification tournaments, performance in other already-existing tournaments, something like that.) I fully agree with covering people and stories being crucial to making it entertaining, but people covering other sports find those stories in whoever shows up - they don't pick the participants based on those stories. I really think some sort of objective qualification system is necessary for this to seem like a real competitive activity, rather than a reality tv show. (I am not really asking for the details of how this would work, which I assume haven't been decided yet - just whether the intention is to have some sort of system like this.)
2. Can you clarify the position on Korean invitations? It's now clear that there is no fixed cap, but it still sounds like you're going to purposely not have too many. Will Koreans applying to the tournament be given equal consideration regardless of nationality? I fully understand that Koreans are not the undisputed kings of sc2 the way they were in brood war, but I think everyone would agree that all members of OGS, ST, IM, etc. are above most of the players on all but 3 or 4 foreign teams. If the good Korean teams all have their top 5 players apply, are we going to see 20+ Koreans? I'm asking because the language I'm seeing seems to imply that there is still some sort of soft cap, maybe not with any official particular number cutoff, but where there's no chance that there are going to be huge numbers of Korean invites.
(I'm not trying to be judgmental here. I would have no problem with you saying this is a western league and Koreans won't be allowed to compete. I just want their to be a clear standard, rather than everything being left extremely vague and then decided in some unknown way in secret by three people at NASL.)
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On February 25 2011 04:45 Chill wrote:
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Are there any plans to add Korean translations? Are there any plans to add Korean commentators?
I can't explain why, but I'm really tickled by the idea of the NASL having (a) Korean commentator(s), in a good way. The big draw back I would think (besides finding someone qualified to do it) would be the number of people in the game. I don't want to say "get some Korean commentators to re-dub the VODs or cast off replays", but I think that might be preferable to having 4-6 additional people in game with the players.
(edit: Also, thank you Chill for essentially saving this thread)
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Has there been discussion in expanding the open tournament qualifiers to 10 people ? I realize it's a crude idea but it would let the better teams with more players actually have more players in, deserving the spots.
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On February 25 2011 04:48 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:46 CherubDown wrote:
These financial questions are literally none of our business - pun intended - but I'm serious. I guess my question is more of a general thing. If a company hosts an event where the prizes are 100% sponsored, does the sponsor also have to pay the company for running the tournament? If they don't, how do the staff ever make money? Do the staff have a main sponsor for the prize money and then sell secondary advertisements to cover their costs and salaries? I have no idea how a standard arrangement works in this situation.
They have investors putting in money separate from sponsors, and they're going to have ad and subscription revenue. They don't need to pay all expenses out of sponsorship money. (In fact, there's no reason to believe that the companies "sponsoring" GSL, for example, are paying the whole prize pool - they're just paying whatever the going rate is to have your name put on the tournament.)
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On February 25 2011 04:53 ShadowLegacy wrote:
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Has there been discussion in expanding the open tournament qualifiers to 10 people ? I realize it's a crude idea but it would let the better teams with more players actually have more players in, deserving the spots.
A lot of GOOD players are probably capable of getting onto a team or are on one already. I like what they're doing because it keeps players in line.
Just thought of an awesome new idea. B.NET attack with champions/RO16-ers. Maybe record a showmatch of the top 4 players doing some 4v4s on ladder for lulz/something to prevent breaks between seasons
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On February 25 2011 04:48 multiversed- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:36 paksam wrote:On February 25 2011 04:26 multiversed- wrote:
i didn't confuse anything. it's all the same community regardless of what website you post on and the rules that they impose. and spoken like a true community member. what else do i owe you little guy? that is not true at all, TeamLiquid is a community by itself imo. I personally don't visit the site only for starcraft related info but for many other reasons one being the news. And TL has its own rules, meaning you do need to follow them if you want to be a part of the community. You seem to be confused with the fact that TL does a lot more than just bring you starcraft related news. just look at the way you worded that. it's as if just by posting on TL, the actions of people who contribute directly to the community and the respect they deserve somehow has something to do with you. i don't want to invest anything further here. i fear it will get negative and i simply don't care if you share my opinions or not. you may freely ignore them.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but I feel like I need to respond because you have directly responded to me.I am simply telling you, that your definition of a community may be different (and you should explain yourself). I am sorry for saying what you said was untrue because now that I read your post again it is opinionated and obviously theres no right and wrong. But as someone who has joined the TL community recently, I never said that the respect they deserve has anything to do with me. But I think however if you actively try and sign up for TL (which clearly you have), you should try and follow the rules (and be somewhat courteous).
I hope you don't feel like its not a personal attack on you because if you do, I apologize once again. I love TL and I am slowly seeing why there are so many rules.
edit: forgot a pretty important "not"
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On February 25 2011 04:47 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2011 04:46 CherubDown wrote:
These financial questions are literally none of our business - pun intended - but I'm serious. I think Chill is trying to move the conversation away from incontrol's incident, so he's asking questions (valid ones).
Yes, and his questions are awesome.
Regarding caster dress and styles, I'm sure we'll move toward a more formalized dress as we proceed. I'm not saying suit-and-tie because that's not our demographic, but certainly some sort of standard will evolve.
As far as following the traditional "Play-by-play" caster and "color commentary" caster I think that model has proven very successful in other sports and something we'll strive for, but I couldn't commit to timing.
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Question: How will NASL compete with MLG? What void (business opportunity) is NASL filling that is not already filled by MLG? How can NASL compete for sponsors with an established brand like MLG?
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Chill's questions seem to be consistently unique and necessary. I feel like a lot of what is asked even the people behind the scenes don't have exactly mapped out yet.
On February 25 2011 05:11 OCsurfeR wrote:
Regarding caster dress and styles, I'm sure we'll move toward a more formalized dress as we proceed. I'm not saying suit-and-tie because that's not our demographic, but certainly some sort of standard will evolve.
Last time I checked there isn't really much to define our demographic. I might dress a lot better than a highschooler who wears hoodies, but the dress is dictated by how serious you want to be. Korean commentators wear a shirt and tie, there's really no reason to promote t-shirt wearing unless you want to be taken anything other than serious.
If you wanna be an amateur or just say its a video game lolol, then never expect things to grow. You're not gonna receive sarcasm for being too professional. The worst that happens is "oh wow that guy dresses really sharp, he exudes a very professional persona, I like the way this is run, even if I dress more casually while viewing this event, I feel like they really want this to be big time."
So I guess I would ask is true, real world professionalism going to be prevalent or is it going to be the pseudo-professionalism where it defaults back to being a "video game" so its ok justification?
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On February 25 2011 01:35 MasterJack wrote:
Question: Is NASL worried about potential dialogue like this:
John, VP Marketing, Intel: "Alright so that 100K we put into this new esports group..."
Bob, Analyst: "Well we had good exposure, but a feminist group is now up in arms about some comments their spokesperson said. Also, we received complains from viewers about things he said of another team."
John: "There's obviously some conflicts of interest if he's in a team, with a potential impact on $$ that could go to these other teams, no, Bob?"
Bob: "Yep."
John: "What does all this say about Intel?"
Bob: "Nothing very good."
John: "Pull out, now. Looks like this gaming thing is run by a bunch of acne-ridden teenagers... what else would you expect from people who play VIDEO GAMES?"
I agree there defenetly is a few conflicts of intrest in the NASL
it seems that EG and Fnatic are quite involved meaning that both of their teams are most likely going to get 5 seats automatically.
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On February 25 2011 04:49 ShadowLegacy wrote:
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When Gretorp or yourself are playing who will be the fill in casters ?
If gretorp is accepted as a player in the tournament i will defenetly not take this tournament seriously, he is a sub par player at best who hasnt really even been in any tournaments that i can think of (or placed well at least) since the last MLG.
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