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On February 23 2011 18:37 Buddhist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Rofl. You could at least advertise yourself, like sell t-shirts or something, if that were true. But about the live/recording thing: I'm confused. The OP says the games are cast live. Is that like some kind of deceptive way to say "the games are cast live, just not played live"? Or are they actually played and casted live, like in GSL? This thread is 20 pages long :/ Edit: wait, what? The games are going to be cast live, but it's not going to be broadcasted live? rofl wtf is the point of that?
What if I'm not a narcissist who doesn't feel the need to stroke my ego by advertising how amazing I am for sponsoring an event like this with my own money (it's actually not my own money at all, but seriously... why does an event need to have a "sponsor")
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On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important.
The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me.
Care to explain this?
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On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league?
Said millionaire would still be the sponsor of the league.
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On February 23 2011 18:45 FaZ- wrote:
A simple question/potential problem area:
The thing I'm most worried about right now is oversaturation. You're proud that you'll be casting every game, and that's probably a good thing... at the start. Having ~15 hours of StarCraft 2 per week to watch just to keep on top of one league, though, will become a significant issue. Add in GSL, team leagues, MLG, anything else, and that's getting incredibly out of hand to follow.
Since you seem to have the schedule very ironed out and definitive, I think the proper solution is to hire someone to make ~15 minute videos recapping the highlights of each night. A "StarCenter," if you will. I'm a big fan of SC2 and I keep up pretty well with high level play and GSL, but there's no possible way that I can invest that much time into watching the league and still play the game at a reasonable level and have a life.
Imagine if your favorite football team had a game every day. That's essentially what this will be, unless you choose to only watch your favorite players, and that's unexciting because a lot of the best games are by not-so touted evenly matched players.
A) We're going to have a news show.
B) Most of the fans of SC2 are casual gamers who prefer watching to playing.
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On February 23 2011 18:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:37 Buddhist wrote:On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Rofl. You could at least advertise yourself, like sell t-shirts or something, if that were true. But about the live/recording thing: I'm confused. The OP says the games are cast live. Is that like some kind of deceptive way to say "the games are cast live, just not played live"? Or are they actually played and casted live, like in GSL? This thread is 20 pages long :/ Edit: wait, what? The games are going to be cast live, but it's not going to be broadcasted live? rofl wtf is the point of that? What if I'm not a narcissist who doesn't feel the need to stroke my ego by advertising how amazing I am for sponsoring an event like this with my own money (it's actually not my own money at all, but seriously... why does an event need to have a "sponsor")
It makes it more reliable. And why wouldn't this kind of event want a sponsor? You would be saving a plenty of money and actually get a bigger/longer event.
Lets say what happens after your money is all gone. Then you'll start asking for sponsors? Would it be better to start asking them NOW and get a event like GSL going on in west?
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On February 23 2011 18:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:37 Buddhist wrote:On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Rofl. You could at least advertise yourself, like sell t-shirts or something, if that were true. But about the live/recording thing: I'm confused. The OP says the games are cast live. Is that like some kind of deceptive way to say "the games are cast live, just not played live"? Or are they actually played and casted live, like in GSL? This thread is 20 pages long :/ Edit: wait, what? The games are going to be cast live, but it's not going to be broadcasted live? rofl wtf is the point of that? What if I'm not a narcissist who doesn't feel the need to stroke my ego by advertising how amazing I am for sponsoring an event like this with my own money (it's actually not my own money at all, but seriously... why does an event need to have a "sponsor")
I don't have some kind of arbitrary bias that, if it doesn't have a sponsor, it's not "professional", or something *cough* all players must be part of teams *cough*. I'm just saying, generally it works like this: An investor gives money to pay expenses, and in return gets advertising, the advertising hopefully nets the investor a profit.
I understand now that you have some secret sponsors, but now I'm really wondering why anyone would want to remain secret as a sponsor, even temporarily, lol.
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On February 23 2011 18:47 Momildo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Said millionaire would still be the sponsor of the league.
The private equity firm that gave MLG $10 million doesn't have its name plastered around everywhere. When we have "sponsors" in the traditional sense, we'll announce them :p
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On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this?
You want explanation about how confusing the internetz can be?
You guys have a great idea, I'm sure the show will be great. Just ignore the hating, people will settle down after hey have seen how awesome the league will be.
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On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this?
Because the TSL is not claiming to be a North American equivalent of the GSL, it is just a simple tournament being run by one website. In addition, I'm fairly sure the actual TSL itself will be cast live, but even if it isn't, its not on the same scale, and the same expectation does not exist. We also won't be paying for the TSL games.
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On February 23 2011 18:49 Buddhist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:45 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:37 Buddhist wrote:On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Rofl. You could at least advertise yourself, like sell t-shirts or something, if that were true. But about the live/recording thing: I'm confused. The OP says the games are cast live. Is that like some kind of deceptive way to say "the games are cast live, just not played live"? Or are they actually played and casted live, like in GSL? This thread is 20 pages long :/ Edit: wait, what? The games are going to be cast live, but it's not going to be broadcasted live? rofl wtf is the point of that? What if I'm not a narcissist who doesn't feel the need to stroke my ego by advertising how amazing I am for sponsoring an event like this with my own money (it's actually not my own money at all, but seriously... why does an event need to have a "sponsor") I don't have some kind of arbitrary bias that, if it doesn't have a sponsor, it's not "professional", or something *cough* all players must be part of teams *cough*. I'm just saying, generally it works like this: An investor gives money to pay expenses, and in return gets advertising, the advertising hopefully nets the investor a profit. I understand now that you have some secret sponsors, but now I'm really wondering why anyone would want to remain secret as a sponsor, even temporarily, lol.
The people behind the NASL, as stated on the NASL.tv site (as in.. its stated who they are), invested in this project. That's really all anyone needs to know. When we have actual "sponsors" I'll be the first one to pm you and tell you about it :D
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Xeris, can you give us a run down of who's all involved in organizing the league?
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On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this?
If the word Live was never used in the hype material, I am sure the number of posts about the issue would have been lessened. There is also the fact TSL is not a super huge tournament trying to compete with the GSL, once you try and compete with the GSL, people make comparisons.
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On February 23 2011 18:49 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:47 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:33 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:25 Momildo wrote:On February 23 2011 18:22 Buddhist wrote:Sponsors?: We're sponsored by pennies we picked up in the various ponds and fountains around the world. The money is there and ready to be given out to some amazing players! Am I the only one who went "WHAT!?" at this? Like, I don't understand. If these guys had sponsors, their sponsors would DEFINITELY want recognition here. If they don't have sponsors, then how the hell did they get >$400,000 for these tourneys? Rofl. So confused. They have sponsors that don't want recognition. For now. Who said we needed to have sponsors? Why can't I just be a millionaire who wants to run a league? Said millionaire would still be the sponsor of the league. The private equity firm that gave MLG $10 million doesn't have its name plastered around everywhere. When we have "sponsors" in the traditional sense, we'll announce them :p
I'm not one of those people wondering about the sponsor. I could care less about who sponsors this. The money is guaranteed for 3 seasons and I believe it will generate return and guarantee itself further.
My original post was just relaying what was said on SOTG.
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On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this?
I didn't realize that anyone watching games casted by replays, or casted live and watched as vods, or vods which are streamed (all are basically the same) considered it just as good as watching live.
I don't know about anyone else, but TSL just doesn't seem like a big deal to me like GSL does. If the official, standard method of viewing a tourney is not live, then the tourney does not seem very professional or "serious" to me. Maybe that's the reason I have never watched a TL tourney, lol.
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I have questions:
Q: How do you plan to decided which 4 players will fall out of next season so those 4 from open qualifiers can get in?
Q: We were told best 2 from each division will go to the ro16 live finals, and 5 will be chosen from some additional qualifier. How will that work? Why even bother with additional qualifiers, the league system should be proof enough who is worthy to advance?!
Q: If players without teams enter NASL from open qualifiers will they need to get a team to be a part of it? If not, won't this over time and more seasons possibly fill the NASL with couple of teamless players and kill your point of having a team to compete?
Q: What happens if (as example) team liquid has 5 players in NASL and 6th gets in through Open Qualifier? Now you cannot avoid having team members fighting against each other, and this could get even worse after a few more seasons. Wouldn't this make the team limit of 5 pointless?
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On February 23 2011 18:50 Dhalphir wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this? Because the TSL is not claiming to be a North American equivalent of the GSL, it is just a simple tournament being run by one website. In addition, I'm fairly sure the actual TSL itself will be cast live, but even if it isn't, its not on the same scale, and the same expectation does not exist. We also won't be paying for the TSL games.
Every TSL event in the past has been cast off replays. The point is that, you're arguing that the "not live" cheapens the affect. However, we have documented proof (in the fact that TSL 1 and TSL 2 were HUGELY successful being cast ENTIRELY off replays, aka NOT live) that an event that is cast "not live" is just as exciting as an event that is cast "live" ...
The fact that TSL was free and NASL is not (you can watch NASL free stream so your argument is kind of a moot point because if you're watching NASL live you don't need to pay... if you're watching the VODS, you need to pay, but if you're watching the VOD its already by definition not live) relevant to anything.
Honestly, your argument isn't coherent. First you're saying "not live" cheapens the experience. Then I counter with some evidence that shows that "not live" events have just the same amount of interest / excitement. You then say "but that was free and this isn't"... well actually, it is. So, what are you arguing about?
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On February 23 2011 18:53 Buddhist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 18:47 Xeris wrote:On February 23 2011 18:38 Dhalphir wrote:
The very fact that we're making such a big deal out of this (while being reasonable and not flaming, which should tell you we aren't just being internet-angry-people) should tell you that this is important. The fact that nobody has said 1 word about the fact that TSL games are not cast live, and there is over 100 pages of people talking about NASL games being cast essentially the same way is confusing to me. Care to explain this? I didn't realize that anyone watching games casted by replays, or casted live and watched as vods, or vods which are streamed (all are basically the same) considered it just as good as watching live. I don't know about anyone else, but TSL just doesn't seem like a big deal to me like GSL does. If the official, standard method of viewing a tourney is not live, then the tourney does not seem very professional or "serious" to me. Maybe that's the reason I have never watched a TL tourney, lol.
The latest TL Open had more viewers than 95% of SC2 tournaments, though.
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On February 23 2011 18:51 rbkl wrote:
Xeris, can you give us a run down of who's all involved in organizing the league?
Russell + Duncan == owners.
Jason == marketing + social media + content stuff
Me == league organization
Geoff == PR + marketing + figurehead + main caster
Gretorp == caster
Chris == graphics + video + design + anything technical
This is essentially our full time staff.
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Otherwise I must congratulate on the idea of the system. Each player will play this league only once per week and have plenty of time to practice for his next opponent as well as compete in almost anything else (including GSL).
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On February 23 2011 18:55 -Archangel- wrote:
I have questions:
Q: How do you plan to decided which 4 players will fall out of next season so those 4 from open qualifiers can get in?
Q: We were told best 2 from each division will go to the ro16 live finals, and 5 will be chosen from some additional qualifier. How will that work? Why even bother with additional qualifiers, the league system should be proof enough who is worthy to advance?!
Q: If players without teams enter NASL from open qualifiers will they need to get a team to be a part of it? If not, won't this over time and more seasons possibly fill the NASL with couple of teamless players and kill your point of having a team to compete?
Q: What happens if (as example) team liquid has 5 players in NASL and 6th gets in through Open Qualifier? Now you cannot avoid having team members fighting against each other, and this could get even worse after a few more seasons. Wouldn't this make the team limit of 5 pointless?
1) The people with the 4 worst records will lose their spot.
2) The full format & info will be released soon
3) The Open Tournament is open to anyone irrespective of whether they are on a team or not.
4) Again, the open is open to anyone... so if Liquid has a 6th member and he wins the open, and all 5 of their players qualify for the Grand Final... they could have 6 players in there.
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