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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:10 Torte de Lini wrote: Yes. I'm no mod, but I'm a pretty good expert at reading rules: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 Then I respectfully and adamantly disagree with Macabre's shitty opinion. | ||
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Momildo
Brazil93 Posts
"LIVE Games?: The games will be cast live! When will the games be broadcast vs when they are cast? This depends on the production. Everything will follow a schedule of broadcasting, etc. We will produce an amazing product, that's what I can say." This piece of information makes it quite clear. It is not certain that the broadcast will be live or not, it depends on the production. At first it probably won't be as they will be working to make a good final product full of goodies for us. Later, when they have a better grasp of the whole show maybe they will be able to make it live, if they can deliver a good product while doing a live show. It would be better if the broadcast was not lvie at first 'cause there would probably be many mistakes, small and big, and the forums would overflow with stupid comments about how the NASL would fail and never improve. Better that they correct those mistakes before time and learn with each new show how to better produce it and deliver a great final product to us. It says right there Cast vs Broadcast?, it depends on the production. We can only hope that it becomes a fully live show as soon as possible, as everyone will agree that it is more exciting. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:25 Defacer wrote: Then I respectfully and adamantly disagree with Macabre's shitty opinion. I already reported him, but you get a golden star for being baller! | ||
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Grettin
42417 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:24 oursblanc wrote: Does that mean you are not using Justin.tv? Since they have a built in bandwidth changer. Question regarding this, if you aren't, are you using the same software that MLG is using? cant remember the name though. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:21 Xeris wrote: Hi, I've answered this question before but I will repeat: we will be considering this issue internally and think of a solution that can also cater to people whose internet cannot handle the stream quality. Will update when we have a definitive answer to this! Apologies, it was not in the OP. Just wanted to stress how important it is that you keep this option in mind. American internet is blazingly fast, especially when connecting to other American sites, but an Australian or European connection does not do nearly as well, even when connecting to nearby servers, let alone trying to connect to America. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:29 Enzyme wrote: Thinking about it, why are they mentioning that it is live at all? Is there any difference between commentating live and just commentating on replays when you are going to delay the broadcast by a day? We aren't seeing the games live either way. People hate replays because it means that the game already occurred, it's over. If you are delaying the games anyway, why not just cast them from replays and be done with it. If there's no difference, why make a problem of the distinction? | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:29 Enzyme wrote: Thinking about it, why are they mentioning that it is live at all? Is there any difference between commentating live and just commentating on replays when you are going to delay the broadcast by a day? We aren't seeing the games live either way. People hate replays because it means that the game already occurred, it's over. If you are delaying the games anyway, why not just cast them from replays and be done with it. Seconding this. I watch GSL live despite buying a premium ticket and having access to higher quality VODs because the experience is different Live. You know you're watching it with tons of other people, its all happening as you're watching it. I'd have trouble explaining rationally to someone WHY its an important distinction to me, but its still an important one. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:31 Torte de Lini wrote: If there's no difference, why make a problem of the distinction? Well by mentioning they are commentating it live, they are making out like it's some fabulous feature, which it clearly isn't. They've even been capitalizing the word LIVE as if it's something amazing, when really it's no better than commentating on replays. In fact, they'd be better off just commentating on replays because then they wouldn't have to worry about delays and issues they could just record whenever they wanted. They are going out of their way to try and sell a meaningless "feature". | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
That won't be happening with the NASL. | ||
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Barolt
98 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:35 Enzyme wrote: Well by mentioning they are commentating it live, they are making out like it's some fabulous feature, which it clearly isn't. They've even been capitalizing the word LIVE as if it's something amazing, when really it's no better than commentating on replays. In fact, they'd be better off just commentating on replays because then they wouldn't have to worry about delays and issues they could just record whenever they wanted. They are going out of their way to try and sell a meaningless "feature". Aren't you making this issue or possible antic more of an issue than it really is? What changes exactly besides your mindset? Do the games get better? Are the players supremely better if we watch them live? If we pray to them knowing they're playing as we're praying, do they receive some otherworldly benediction? If they play live and we cheer and chant their names into the starry night sky, will they feel our blessing? Will they feel our call for help, our need to see them succeed, to achieve the best of their abilities as we stare at the illuminated square of our monitor! Will they know that I am staring right at them, into their soul, feeling the pulse of their fingers as they apply several maneuvers in real-time as I glare at his opponent, hoping he/she will crumble at the idea and possibility that thousands of people are transmitting a vast hatred for that person, that player, that obstacle preventing my favourite player from succeeding! | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:37 Torte de Lini wrote: Aren't you making this issue or possible antic more of an issue than it really is? What changes exactly besides your mindset? Do the games get better? Are the players supremely better if we watch them live? If we pray to them knowing they're playing as we're praying, do they receive some otherworldly benediction? While I would prefer to watch the games entirely live, that is not the point I am making at all. I am not saying "THEY MUST BROADCAST THE GAMES LIVE!!!!" I am saying "Given the fact they cannot broadcast the games live, why are they pretending that commentating them live makes any difference at all, and why are they doing this when replays would give the exact same experience with less effort on their end?" | ||
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Shaetan
United States1175 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:29 Enzyme wrote: Thinking about it, why are they mentioning that it is live at all? Is there any difference between commentating live and just commentating on replays when you are going to delay the broadcast by a day? We aren't seeing the games live either way. People hate replays because it means that the game already occurred, it's over. If you are delaying the games anyway, why not just cast them from replays and be done with it. Casting from replays requires syncing up of the commentators/observers etc. and can result in desynced casts (like the showmatch). This way at least the commentary will be synced to the games. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:39 Enzyme wrote: While I would prefer to watch the games entirely live, that is not the point I am making at all. I am not saying "THEY MUST BROADCAST THE GAMES LIVE!!!!" I am saying "Given the fact they cannot broadcast the games live, why are they pretending that commentating them live makes any difference at all, and why are they doing this when replays would give the exact same experience with less effort on their end?" I have no idea. Neither do you. What changes? What difference does it make? You're focusing on something so pointless and needless. Is that what you're going to do when watching the games? Ensure that everyone and their mother knows that this isn't "live" by one standard or another? Or do you want to just watch some baller games and get over yourself. Here's a question: why are they playing the U.S? Why aren't they play in Korea? What difference does it make? Why do they have a NASL when they can have in Canada since I'll be watching it from where I am which may be in another country and thus location is rather pointless. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:37 Torte de Lini wrote: Aren't you making this issue or possible antic more of an issue than it really is? What changes exactly besides your mindset? Do the games get better? Are the players supremely better if we watch them live? If we pray to them knowing they're playing as we're praying, do they receive some otherworldly benediction? If they play live and we cheer and chant their names into the starry night sky, will they feel our blessing? Will they feel our call for help, our need to see them succeed, to achieve the best of their abilities as we stare at the illuminated square of our monitor! Will they know that I am staring right at them, into their soul, feeling the pulse of their fingers as they apply several maneuvers in real-time as I glare at his opponent, hoping he/she will crumble at the idea and possibility that thousands of people are transmitting a vast hatred for that person, that player, that obstacle preventing my favourite player from succeeding! It sounds dumb when you put it that way, and maybe it is, on a rational level, but its still important to me. I get much less excited sitting down to watch the VOD of a game I missed from the GSL (even if it was going to be a huge epic game like Jinro vs Idra or something), than I do sitting down live knowing its going down right now. I watched the HuK code a games live and danced around my room when he won the first game. If it was a VOD I would not have. I can't explain it. But I guarantee you I'm far from alone in feeling this way. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:46 Dhalphir wrote: It sounds dumb when you put it that way, and maybe it is, on a rational level, but its still important to me. I get much less excited sitting down to watch the VOD of a game I missed from the GSL (even if it was going to be a huge epic game like Jinro vs Idra or something), than I do sitting down live knowing its going down right now. I watched the HuK code a games live and danced around my room when he won the first game. If it was a VOD I would not have. I can't explain it. But I guarantee you I'm far from alone in feeling this way. No, I know the feeling. I was the same way at first: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ostrich Syndrome If I ignore it's not Live, it becomes irrelevant. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:48 Torte de Lini wrote: No, I know the feeling. I was the same way at first: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ostrich Syndrome If I ignore it's not Live, it becomes irrelevant. ye i just look at my wall and pretend im watching a starcraft game | ||
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Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
What is the map pool gonna be like? A ESL example, where you work together with iccup? (saw much good games on those maps) or a more GSL like mappool? Or just gonna create your own maps? or does the ladder diced your map pool? | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On February 23 2011 17:48 Torte de Lini wrote: No, I know the feeling. I was the same way at first: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ostrich Syndrome If I ignore it's not Live, it becomes irrelevant. Not as easy as you make it sound for most people. Some don't have the mental visualization ability. The interface for the VODs being totally different to the stream also doesn't help with this. If I could pull up the entire show as one video on demand instead of having to click for every new game it would help the suspension of disbelief a lot. | ||
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