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Thanks for that, really brilliant little game. If only the resolution could be made higher somehow, I'll look around for something resembling a settings.txt but man, Left click+Right Click+Keyboard was bloody hard even on normal. I like that the letters appear where the minimap is as well.
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On February 21 2011 23:04 vyyye wrote:Thanks for that, really brilliant little game. If only the resolution could be made higher somehow, I'll look around for something resembling a settings.txt but man, Left click+Right Click+Keyboard was bloody hard even on normal. I like that the letters appear where the minimap is as well.
Yeah thanks for that good game =)
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It's muscle memory, not muscle fitness
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On February 21 2011 19:44 Steamboatlol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 19:35 Granath wrote:
Seriously dude, I can't imagine any exercise that will improve handspeed and coordination FOR Starcraft more then actually PLAYING Starcraft.
People are always looking for shortcuts or small tricks to improve, but the best thing to do is just play the game.
If I wanna be a fast drummer I don't think to myself "Well then I should probably hit the gym and work on my wrist strength". No I would just drum wouldn't I? I don't think that analogy is entirely accurate. For example when boxers want to increase their punching speed they do a lot more training with the speed bag. Sure they still spar, but they are addressing a specific problem with a specific regiment.
Lol that's just wrong... to get faster there's only one solution, train more (this is coming from an experienced boxer btw).
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On February 21 2011 23:45 trNimitz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 19:44 Steamboatlol wrote:On February 21 2011 19:35 Granath wrote:
Seriously dude, I can't imagine any exercise that will improve handspeed and coordination FOR Starcraft more then actually PLAYING Starcraft.
People are always looking for shortcuts or small tricks to improve, but the best thing to do is just play the game.
If I wanna be a fast drummer I don't think to myself "Well then I should probably hit the gym and work on my wrist strength". No I would just drum wouldn't I? I don't think that analogy is entirely accurate. For example when boxers want to increase their punching speed they do a lot more training with the speed bag. Sure they still spar, but they are addressing a specific problem with a specific regiment. Lol that's just wrong... to get faster there's only one solution, train more (this is coming from an experienced boxer btw).
Never shadow boxed with really light weights to increase punching speed? Sparring is great, but you can't become a top of the top if you only spar.
Not sure how much of that applies to gaming, I haven't really felt hindered by my fingers not being fast enough, muscle memory is probably more important in this case.
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yes, train more... ever heard of crosstraining? Why are boxers constantly running or hitting the speed bag or heavy bag... it's not because more sparring is best but they're bored.
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When I was in high school 2003-05ish, I came upon a post on the Warcraft 3 battle.net forums about a similar situation about how to get "faster" at clicking.
http://www.missionred.com
The reflex TE & reflex games are what they suggested. I played these as much as I could all day in school then would just go home and game all night. Honestly, I do believe it helped me learn how to click specific things faster in the game. It was great because I couldn't play wc3 at school obviously but when I had free time in the library or something it felt like I was still working on my game.
Hope that helps.
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Another mention to "osu!"--there are tons of anime songs there if you're into that, and it will definitely improve your mouse accuracy.
Also, I believe stepmania is good (for keyboard speed), but I haven't tried it myself due to what looks like a limited song selection on their site compared to osu.
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just play with hotkeys, always strive to use them as much as possible, customize them if you need. bottom line, you gotta want to get better.
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On February 21 2011 18:31 Kleinmuuhg wrote:well according to moon, there is no other way then steady and persistent practice: + Show Spoiler +he even put his wrists on sandbags!
Yeah I have noticed while getting more and more into gaming scene that only practise makes you faster ingame. You get used to your keyboard/mouse/mousepad and gameplay so you naturally get faster^^
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Spam moar!
Seriously that's how you do it. Spaz out and just faceroll over your hotkeys and have seizures with your mouse. You'll play like complete shit for a while but your APM will increase at the end of the rainbow.
Don't listen to the l00s3rs who say spamming is bad. If you don't believe me, well in BW Day[9] increased his APM from 200 to 300 by spamming like crazy for a week. He said he played worse in the beginning but by the end of the week he was at the same stage but with 100 more APM. If you don't spam and later on your APM raises to lets say 150 by the later stages of the game, if you spammed in the beginning your APM might drop later on in the game, but it will be something like 175 or 200 instead of 150.
Also Nada's apm is like 400, you simply cannot tell me that a) he plays bad because of his APM (I would have to punch a small baby in the face -.-) or b) he got that without spamming.
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play a musical instrument
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Am I the only one who had dirty things in mind when reading the tilte? :|
Anyway, for keyboard stuff..
There's that Dance Dance Revolution game you play with your keyboard and I think it's free, but I can't remember the name right now.
And there is the awesomeness that is called The Typing of the Dead!
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Play piano 
you can strenghten Your fingers and play a beautiful song.
For example a Chopin etude
Or play guitar hero in xpert mode xD
To come back to the subject I think it is not a problem of strength, so you don t need to practise mad exercices, but you need to spam and focus on your keyboard , nevermind the game, you need to " print" to put in memory your custom keys as a pianist.
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At least for me APM is more mental then phsyical. When I make a conscious effort to do things faster I do them faster. So when I played I made an effort to just try and play faster every game. That is how I got my apm from 30ish to 120ish.
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On February 21 2011 19:39 Steamboatlol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 19:26 vaderseven wrote:
Hand speed and APM are only related when you are trying to improve like that stupid fast parts of the top level play. Bisu talked about it once in some interview or vod (I think bnet attacks) and he basically says he wants to improve his hand speed so he can play faster. He is a 350+ apm player. Thats where that kind of discussion is the right way to look at the issue.
What you need for breaking your apm barrier of 60 apm is better control, not faster control. Find ways to use hotkeys more, move the mouse less, and to do each individual action with the least amount of excess movement or downtime and you will find that your apm will go way up. Want to know how to do exactly that? Take a tiny part of your play and refine it. Here is a step by step on how to do exactly that.
I assume you are Zerg by your icon. Try this, go into a blank map. Make some lings and send them somewhere. Hotkey them to 1. Go to your base and either hotkey the main hatch to like 5 and the natural hatch to 6 (both hatches on 4 for making the units) or set a screen hotkey (aka the fkeys) so that one is over each hatch. Get a few drones at each base and one gas going at your main.
Now press 11. Play with your lings. Get in the groove of it. Spread em out, move 2 over there and 4 over there. Just like keep them active. Now keep doing that and think about something that you normally do in a game. For this example lets say you want to take the 2 gas at your natural. You are still playin with the lings. Think about that 2 gas you want to take. Now move all your lings back to simulate a good little safe move back (say half a screen back to "safety"), use a hotkey (screen hotkey or double tap the hotkey for the hatch) to instantly go to your natural. Box two drones (or more), hit 'b' then 'v' (shift) (click on gas) (click on other gas) then double tap '1'.
Thats what will make you a fast player. Being able to do things like this. Did you do it so fast you were able to be zoomed back at your lings before they had moved half a screen (about 1 or 2 seconds time im guessing)? No? Then go to your natural, cancel the 2 gas, double hit '1' and get your lings all moving and playing again. Think about what you are about to try. Keep the lings moving. Move lings to safe spot, zoom to nat, make the 2 gas with no wild mouse movements and as few keys used as possible, zoom to lings.
This little exercise is based on teaching your to be able to be doing something (microing or scouting or positioning units in this case), think about what you want to do next in your build (take 2 gas in this case), move troops to a safe spot so that you have a few seconds of peace of mind where your troops will not be in danger, zoom to the area where you can do that next thing of your build, do it in a effecient manner (as few as possible clicks and mouse movements), and then zoom to the next task (in this case, going back to your lings before anything bad happens to them).
If you do this example exactly, and you do it correctly, you should be able to zoom back to the lings and have them moving somewhere new before they stop moving to safety. This will make it look like they are always being controlled/microed to an obs or to the enemy. This is the sign of a fast player.
I went and checked just to give you an idea of the 'hand speed' needed to do this by doing my example. While playing with my lings my apm was about 100. When I zoomed to my nat and made the stuff and zoomed back to my lings, it jumped to about 130 for a second and then was back to around 100.
I tried it again after that trying to be as low apm as possible and still do it correctly. To test my execution speed of placing the 2 gas I made it a mental goal to only move the lings back about 1/8th of a screen size (lings move that in NO time) when going to go place the gas. I was able to keep the lings moving without them stopping, place the 2 gas, and zoom back to the lings before they stopped with around 50 apm.
I am very sure that if you try this you will find you take around 5-10 seconds to place those 2 gas. Use accurate and sure mouse control and know by heart what you mean to do with your keyboard hand before you do it and you can do that step in WELL under one second without amazing handspeed. When doing the example and trying for low apm I was able to only spend ~1 second looking at my natural as I placed the 2 gas.
I am very sure that my handspeed was much higher while typing this post then when I was doing the little drill.
Its a mental thing, know that its not about speed but about memory and precision and good use of the UI.
60 is what the average thing says, it jumps to 150ish when I really start multitasking. I guess what I need to make clear here is I'm not asking about apm, I'm asking about hand speed. I play toss but I appreciate the advice. As a side note, when my hands are moving fast they look like a sloppy awkward caveman instead of the clean piano like tapping of the pro gamers. I know many of the things I need to do, but I need to do them a lot faster. I know this isn't the only thing holding me back but it's certainly something I'd like to work on.
Reread the advice you were given here. He is telling you exactly how to increase your hand speed. If you take every action you have to do and break it down in this fashion, you will get faster and more precise.
In the OP you state that you have slow and uncoordinated fingers. The only way to fix this is by doing the things in game that you want to do and breaking them down 1 by 1 and improving. It is probably less of a physical ailment than you suspect. If you have 10 things that you want to do in game but not a clear plan of how to do them then you are going to be much more sloppy as you hurry to do each task.
For instance what are your key sequences for the following:
1. Building a supply depot
2. Building a production building
3. Building a expansion
4. Adding units to your attacking groups
5. Sending units out for map vision
6. What is your normal key rotation
Here is what I do:
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1. army
4. CC
5. raxes
6. fac
7. starport
0. upgrades
1. 44,click worker, left click mini map, b, s, click, F2, shift right click minerals, 11, 4, 5, 6, 7
2. 44, click worker, left click mini map, b, b, F2, shift right click minerals, 11, 4, 5, 6, 7
3. 44, click worker, left click mini-map, b, c, shift right click minerals, shift F3 to mark location, 11, 4, 5, 6, 7, F3, click expansion, right click to rally to minerals, shift 4 to add to control group, 11
4. F4, box melee, shift 1, box tanks shift 2, box air shift 3, 11, 4, 5, 6, 7
5. F2 or F4 depending if I want to use SCV or marines, box 4 or 5 units, right click on first location, shift click out 1 unit portrait, right click on second location, shift click out 1 unit portrait, etc.
6. 11, 4, 5, 6, 7, 0, look at money/food count, repeat
* look at mini-map whenever I build a unit
* never scoot the screen, always click on mini-map or use a hotkey to change view
These are the types of things to do to improve handspeed and accuracy. By setting these sorts of things up for yourself and practicing them one at a time you will get really fast at each technique and therefore handspeed will increase. It is very similar to learning how to type or to play an instrument, you commit to a technique and practice it.
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Have you tried spamming in the beginning of every game? Of course, you'll see that your average APM drops back to around where your usual APM is the longer the game goes, but just keep doing it for a couple of months.
What I've experienced is that my APM past early game (when I'm not actively spamming) actually went up considerably after playing a lot of games with early 2-3 minute spam, from 100-120 to 200-250 (in games longer than 20-25 minutes). I obviously don't have a scientific proof for this, but I do feel that it did have something to do with such a large increase.
Again, it won't happen overnight and will probably take at least a month or two, but you should consider trying it out for a bit. If you were a bronze player, I would have probably just told you to work on your decision making as 60APM is definitely not something that will hold people back in bronze, but you are a fairly high level player so perhaps an increase in speed might actually help you a bit.
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