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Phanekim
United States777 Posts
with that said, she's got a little accent there its a cross between chinese and british (yes not dwell on technicalities). but whatever it is, its hella thick. bad for play by play. her game knowledge is ok but its not very in depth. bad for analyst. she's shown a willingness to improve but i just think this is a bad position for her she just doesn't have the tools to suceed yet and i dont know how long people are going to wait for you to improve. | ||
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Dogsi
Indonesia298 Posts
Personally, I have no difficult understanding her Now, I don't really like the Singlish accent. I find it a bit annoying. However, the Singlish accent is easier for most asians to understand. American English (non-regional accents) is the easiest to understand because it's the most bland. It is a conglomeration of accents with all the idiosyncrasies removed over generations of intermingling. However, not everyone is from America and not all GOM viewers are from America. To state that she is not qualified simply because your American centric life doesn't like foreigners is nothing more than ignorance. If you want to hate her for what she says, that's fine of course. | ||
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FawxzTV
Sweden178 Posts
I wouldn't go around hating on someone casting on her own stream because she loves it. However, if I'm paying for a service, my criteria isn't going to be "I can understand what she's saying". I want the best damn casters around. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Its not that she dosent know as much about SC2, that is fine, i enjoy the works of almost anyone in the community whether its Day9, Artosis or Husky or HD. The issue is her high pitched voice, and i cannot understand what she is actually saying when she starts talking really fast. I am not american (or from england) thus meaning that it is impossible to hear anything other than absolute gibberish. She is cute enough no doubt, and i am sure she will gain better chemistry with the other casters but her high pitched voice and thick accents are things i doubt she can do much about. I enjoyed Torch, i enjoyed Jason Lee, i pretty much like every caster ever, but this is too much. As someone who pays for GSL i am seriously considering not purchasing next season. I should not have to mute the thing or just "deal with it", that is a piss poor excuse. I like to at least offer some advice so i dont look like a whining jerk here: when the action ramps up the other caster needs to do the "EXCITEMENT!" casting, and she should stay back and come back in later in the game, as talking fast (in english at least) is the last thing she should be doing. Again sorry for "whining" i am not trying to troll her or anything but as a paying customer the least i can do is at least pitch in as to why i wont be interested in paying for next season if this is the standard for Code A casting. The bare minimum requirement for casters is that we should be able to understand them 99% of the time, that isent too much to ask? I know some of you understand her, but i simply do not, i understand Tasteless, Artosis and every western caster perfectly, even RotterdaM who has accent aswell but at least its something my sensors can get and understand. | ||
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
Seriously though, if you can't play at master level yourself, you shouldn't be casting a large tournament. There's also issues like deciding exactly which things are relevant and necessary to say, and which unnecessary details can be left out. Tasteless and Artosis are pretty much the cream of the crop when it comes to this. Kelly is on the level of husky when it comes to game knowledge. I applaud Kelly for chasing this job that she wants. But she's got a lot of work ahead of her. Easy on the eyes though. At least compared to Artosis. | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
On February 22 2011 09:49 shinosai wrote: when changing from Artosis to someone else, it's pretty difficult for anyone to fit in his shoes. I don't think it is about being inferior to Artosis at all. we just want to continue watch something we enjoy without being annoyed. now I am not hating on other people with accents at all but when it comes to an english broadcast where they are expected to be communicated in english, is it too much to expect to understand everything that is being spoken by the commentators? the only reason that we think she should be replaced is because she is unfit to do her job. accent is not something you can learn overnight. and its usually really hard for most to correct it in near future. | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
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novabossa
United States350 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:03 Tyree wrote: I wanted to stand up for her, be a "white knight" for her, knowing how hateful the internet (especially gamers) can be towards females, but after her first games i just cant. Its not that she dosent know as much about SC2, that is fine, i enjoy the works of almost anyone in the community whether its Day9, Artosis or Husky or HD. The issue is her high pitched voice, and i cannot understand what she is actually saying when she starts talking really fast. I am not american (or from england) thus meaning that it is impossible to hear anything other than absolute gibberish. She is cute enough no doubt, and i am sure she will gain better chemistry with the other casters but her high pitched voice and thick accents are things i doubt she can do much about. I enjoyed Torch, i enjoyed Jason Lee, i pretty much like every caster ever, but this is too much. As someone who pays for GSL i am seriously considering not purchasing next season. I should not have to mute the thing or just "deal with it", that is a piss poor excuse. I like to at least offer some advice so i dont look like a whining jerk here: when the action ramps up the other caster needs to do the "EXCITEMENT!" casting, and she should stay back and come back in later in the game, as talking fast (in english at least) is the last thing she should be doing. Again sorry for "whining" i am not trying to troll her or anything but as a paying customer the least i can do is at least pitch in as to why i wont be interested in paying for next season if this is the standard for Code A casting. The bare minimum requirement for casters is that we should be able to understand them 99% of the time, that isent too much to ask? I know some of you understand her, but i simply do not, i understand Tasteless, Artosis and every western caster perfectly, even RotterdaM who has accent aswell but at least its something my sensors can get and understand. These are my sentiments as well. Sure it's great that she loves the game and certainly she can "get better." But why do we, as viewers paying for season subscriptions, have to settle for something so sub-par? I'm certain there were a number of casters who applied and that they were perfectly pleasant and comprehensible. I tried very hard to watch the matches, but it was just too much. It just feels highly unprofessional of GomTV to have made this decision. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On February 22 2011 10:48 Dogsi wrote: While you all may attack her ability to speak English, English IS her first language. She is from Singapore. She does have a Singlish accent, which can be difficult to understand for people who live in their isolated bubbles and have little experience outside of their home. Hence why majority of those complaining are Americans. They are not used to hearing foreign accents. Personally, I have no difficult understanding her Now, I don't really like the Singlish accent. I find it a bit annoying. However, the Singlish accent is easier for most asians to understand. American English (non-regional accents) is the easiest to understand because it's the most bland. It is a conglomeration of accents with all the idiosyncrasies removed over generations of intermingling. However, not everyone is from America and not all GOM viewers are from America. To state that she is not qualified simply because your American centric life doesn't like foreigners is nothing more than ignorance. If you want to hate her for what she says, that's fine of course. So isolated bubbles are people who actually speak english properly and want the same from their commentators? I'd bet half of us would take a british/australian accent without too much of a problem. Gom knew they needed a caster for a FOREIGN audience, they should know we want someone whos probably foreign too, not because of race etc but because of the language barrier. Asians arn't the ones watching the english stream mostly, we arn't the ones wanting singlish. We had legitimate concerns about her casting ability that we all know that she either can't fix or that if she does it's in no way near the future. Gom is totally misinformed about what their foreign audience wants in casters and messed up bad here. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
However, we must not go for someone new simply for the sake of someone new. StarCraft 2 is for an international audience. This is important because, if it was only native English speakers, rockier English might be okay. However, when you have people from all over the world tuning in to the English cast because it is more accessible than the Korean one then you just have to have a really solid caster. I'm all for people of varied backgrounds, but you just can't use someone with such an impenetrable accent. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
 Besides she was perfectly understandable for me. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:28 SilverPotato wrote: Wow what is all the stuff about her not knowing anything, I'm sure 99/100 of you would have a heart attack if you had to cast for hundreds of thousands of people with a nothing more than a day's notice. Hence why we don't apply to be a caster for a large tournament. We're fair. All of the white male casters are subject to the same scrutiny. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:30 willeesmalls wrote: Hence why we don't apply to be a caster for a large tournament. We're fair. All of the white male casters are subject to the same scrutiny. Never mind that she had more than a day's notice. That argument just doesn't make any sense. You should only go for something that you actually think you are qualified for, especially if it's in such a public sphere. | ||
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Ridiculisk
Australia191 Posts
which can be difficult to understand for people who live in their isolated bubbles and have little experience outside of their home I'm a white Australian, and I have absolutely no problem what-so-ever in understanding what Kelly is saying. All the American's who are complaining about the accent/English should just stop for a second and actually listen. It's perfectly understandable. So isolated bubbles are people who actually speak english properly LOL @ this^ Your American, your entire countries grasp of the English Language is questionable at best. To illustrate my point I give you the word; Aluminium. Correct English spelling, Vs the American spelling Aluminum... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46209 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:28 SilverPotato wrote: Wow what is all the stuff about her not knowing anything, I'm sure 99/100 of you would have a heart attack if you had to cast for hundreds of thousands of people with a nothing more than a day's notice. I don't think the problem was that she doesn't know *anything*, but I heard rumors (and if people could clarify, that would be very helpful) that she isn't exactly a high-level SC2 player. She's like platinum or something... and that's really not an appropriate level for someone who should be casting some of the best players in the world for the GSL. How can someone get into the mindset of players that are way over her head? I think the argument there is that she's very inexperienced as far as the game goes, whereas Tasteless, Artosis, and many other commentators (such as iNcontroL, now with NASL) are actually on SC2 professional teams and have quite an established name for themselves as far as being great players goes. And, of course, there are other legitimate concerns, such as her accent. If this stream is supposed to be designed for foreigners (which I assume means primarily English-speaking people), then the argument could be made that there should be casters who can speak English very well. Tasteless and Artosis have very clear voices and can be understood very well. Kelly cannot, because she has a pretty thick accent. Or, at least, her voice is far harder to understand than the other commentators'. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Kazzabiss
1006 Posts
I have no problem with her though also Jason Lee was suuuuper articulate but people were still hating him  kind of ironic, don't you think?On February 22 2011 11:34 Ridiculisk wrote: I'm a white Australian, and I have absolutely no problem what-so-ever in understanding what Kelly is saying. All the American's who are complaining about the accent/English should just stop for a second and actually listen. It's perfectly understandable. LOL @ this^ Your American, your entire countries grasp of the English Language is questionable at best. To illustrate my point I give you the word; Aluminium. Correct English spelling, Vs the American spelling Aluminum... not all people saying they can't understand her are American, nor are all Americans thinking that way.. you're just as bigoted as the people you are responding to. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:37 Kazzabiss wrote: also Jason Lee was suuuuper articulate but people were still hating him kind of ironic, don't you think?To be fair, Jason Lee did win ALMOST everyone over by his next day of casts, I mean there was an entire freaking thread dedicated to the hilarity that was "Jason Lee quotes". Also, in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=162437 It clearly shows love towards the guy, I would not mind him casting with someone more knowledgeable (obviously he has other actual job commitments though) - Jason Lee is like an Asian TotalBiscuit in my eyes. | ||
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