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On February 22 2011 07:14 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does. No offence but what kind of stupid attitude is this? If you are going to make derogatory comments make it constructive. I expected better from a respected member of the community.
he is simply stating his personal opinion, no need to attack him for it. i think tyler has a legitimate point because kelly's casting ability is seemingly at a much lower level than what we expect of a service that some of us pay monthly for.
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On February 22 2011 07:14 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does. No offence but what kind of stupid attitude is this? If you are going to make derogatory comments make it constructive. I expected better from a respected member of the community.
How are you gonna be constructive? Google an english teacher that lives near her?
Flaming/hating/lying about her is not the way to go, giving legit opinion is ok. And I share that experience, as do a lot of others.
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The problem is English will always be her second language, this wouldn't fly on Korean tv, why let if fly on the stream?
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On February 22 2011 07:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
A lot of people in SEA watch GOM and probably find her easier to understand than us.
I think many SEA players would find Tastosis more understandable than kelly (artosis has a great casting voice), since Australians make up about half of the SEA community and many Singaporeans like myself prefer Artosis' casting voice over hers.
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On February 22 2011 05:26 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 04:40 noD wrote:
Cant they just pay her an english class ?
Losing accent doesnt seem that hard (im not native english speaker too) When you dont come in contact with a language before you are twelve years old its impossible to ever learn the language without a accent.
Wrong. May I refer you to Birdsong (1999, 2006)? You will find the conclusion to be that between 5-15% of all late L2 learners will exhibit nativelike ultimate attainment. That is, you cannot distinguish their speech from that of a native speaker.
[More generally, on the incorrectness of the critical period hypothesis: MacDonald (2000), Birdsong & Molis (2001), Hakuta, Bialystok, & Wiley (2003), Birdsong (2005, 2006)]
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I can understand her accent fairly well after listening to her for several games. She either slowed down a lot or I just had learned to understand her better by the time the Huk games started. I'm a native English speaker who has had to deal with thick accents in the past when I spent time orienting new students at my university, so I can understand how some people would struggle with her accent.
The biggest issues last night were definitely her nerves and the fact that she and Tasteless didn't have much caster chemistry, which both should improve with time. I do wonder how many prep games the two casted together beforehand, though. As for game knowledge...last night in Code A it was pretty damn hard to show it, if she does indeed have it. Those games were just strange.
Overall verdict: eh. There are worse casters, there are better casters, but most of the best have other obligations playing or just living their lives. I do wish Diggity and Moletrap didn't have lives outside of Starcraft, though, I think with Tasteless/Artosis at their sides they would be fantastic.
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You cant really compare her to artosis. In my opinion she is there to do the role of tasteless in the artosis /tasteless scenario. Shes does the play by play while tasteless (now artosis) provides color commentary and deeper explanation. So kelly is sorta like pat summerall whereas tasteless is john madden.
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On February 22 2011 07:08 Shindou wrote:
I think it goes beyond her accent to her entire personality. Some of the things she was saying in the casts were ridiculous "Sir tasteless..." "We see a zergling evolve into a speedling right before our eyes". She's horrible.
You can tell she's trying hard, but when you try too hard to be funny.. sometimes it doesn't always work out. It comes down to relaxation and comfort.
It's one of those moments she had very little to talk about. Artosis and Tasteless have these awkward moments all the time and they use humor to get through it. She's a firm believer of this philosophy as well. It really is hit and miss. Unfortunately she usually misses with me. You know what would be nice? Something a little different.
Perhaps she can let Dan and Nick make the play-by-play commentary while she focuses on stats and background information. Especially during those early game moments.
Dan = play-by-play
Nick = color
Kelly = stats, trivia, player information
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She is from Singapore right? Isn't the official language English over there? Everyone speaks it. Maybe something like 95% or more.
My native language is not English but I speak it better than my native language. Or rather my vocabulary is more extensive in English. I learned both languages at a young age.
I think some simple quick fix things she could do would be to slow down.
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Watching the video just made me think three things:
- Rachael is fine( Dam Torch )
- Kelly is pretty experienced and seems hard-working + dedicated
- Is Zerg really benefiting from the larger maps? or is the increased distance apart just making it harder for them to do counter attacks?
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On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does.
I agree the accent is unbearable even if we ignore that. Her game knowledge is extremely low and her comments are useless and often obvious. Example of something she said about a player expanding to a 4th stating that he's expanding too far away and she dislike it. Even though it was the only fourth left...
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On February 22 2011 07:39 AzureD wrote:
She is from Singapore right? Isn't the official language English over there? Everyone speaks it. Maybe something like 95% or more.
My native language is not English but I speak it better than my native language. Or rather my vocabulary is more extensive in English. I learned both languages at a young age.
I think some simple quick fix things she could do would be to slow down.
No, this has been brought up a few times.
According to their government, just over 30 percent of Singaporeans speak English on a regular basis.
Dialects are regional. When she speaks English, you can tell she's been in contact with several different languages. It's quite something else.
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On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does.
pretty much this, I can't understand what she is saying and whenever she speaks my ears start to bleed
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On February 22 2011 07:19 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 07:14 Highways wrote:On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does. No offence but what kind of stupid attitude is this? If you are going to make derogatory comments make it constructive. I expected better from a respected member of the community. he is simply stating his personal opinion, no need to attack him for it. i think tyler has a legitimate point because kelly's casting ability is seemingly at a much lower level than what we expect of a service that some of us pay monthly for.
Just like they say on SOTG ep 27, if casters are non fans glimpses/windows into competitive esports and sc2 and they see these sub par casters then it fails as a whole. Totally agree with his point.
Casters need to be almost perfect imho. Good voice, ability to improvise and fill time, high understanding of game knowledge, minimal or no word fumbling/mixing. As well as be able to work with other casters.
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On February 22 2011 07:44 MuffinFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 07:04 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Accent is unbearable for me. In general, way way way below my expectations. If I were to introduce one of my friends to competitive SC2, I would deliberately avoid anything she does. I agree the accent is unbearable even if we ignore that. Her game knowledge is extremely low and her comments are useless and often obvious. Example of something she said about a player expanding to a 4th stating that he's expanding too far away and she dislike it. Even though it was the only fourth left...
Her game knowledge is high enough to inform and entertain the viewers.
Your example was from what game?
I remember her saying it huk vs curious on tal'darin. Correct?
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i CANT stand her british-chinese accent..
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On February 22 2011 07:24 Dagobert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 05:26 Deckkie wrote:On February 22 2011 04:40 noD wrote:
Cant they just pay her an english class ?
Losing accent doesnt seem that hard (im not native english speaker too) When you dont come in contact with a language before you are twelve years old its impossible to ever learn the language without a accent. Wrong. May I refer you to Birdsong (1999, 2006)? You will find the conclusion to be that between 5-15% of all late L2 learners will exhibit native like ultimate attainment. That is, you cannot distinguish their speech from that of a native speaker. [More generally, on the incorrectness of the critical period hypothesis: MacDonald (2000), Birdsong & Molis (2001), Hakuta, Bialystok, & Wiley (2003), Birdsong (2005, 2006)]
It comes down to location, location, location. In Singapore, it must be pretty normal. It's a shame. How many people in South Korea speak English? Too few. You can make it as subtle as possible, but she won't be getting rid of her native tongue anytime soon.
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I'm sorry, but I really enjoyed her casting, didn't have a problem with her accent at all, and i think she's suited to code a (artosis and tasteless often just made fun of players, not their finest moments), with the big guns tasteless and artosis for code s.
i think a lot of the things people pick her up on (sense of humour, catch phrases, etc) is totally unfair and you can see plenty of examples of it tasteless for example getting players names wrong.
As i said, i have no problem personally, but given the debate I do find it funny now that the top of my screen the title is followed by the google ads:
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i hope they replace her in gsl, ill go head over to the korean commentary in the meantime
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I thought Kelly's casting was fine. I was really worried about her accent, but after a few minutes I got use to it.
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