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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:43:17
February 09 2011 19:42 GMT
#61
On February 10 2011 04:36 Hipster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 03:53 rauk wrote:
i think europe has always had a greater number of high skilled players in every single esports game, not just sc2. pretty much all the good international 1.6 teams, quake, wc3, bw, pk, etc players have been from europe. however, i think in terms of peak skill between europe and the US+canada they're probably about the same, except for 1.6.


quake? bw? come on now :p

pretty much rapha > all and idra/nony in bw.

When the bw scene was still somewhat active with nation wars going, several foreigner nations were far ahead of usa.

Sweden, canada, poland, germany, spain, france etc. :p And china obviously.
Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
February 09 2011 19:46 GMT
#62
On February 10 2011 04:11 Striding Strider wrote:
A better question would be:

Why does Sweden produce such good players?


it's more cold in sweeden round the year so people stay inside most of the time => people play more videogames than countries like spain let's say

just my 0.02
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ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
February 09 2011 19:47 GMT
#63
I don't think either ladder is taken too seriously, but NA is undoubtedly much more of a joke. If I can get #2 on NA you know its pretty f***ing easy, would be much harder on EU would be happy with top 15 :\
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xerwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:48:22
February 09 2011 19:48 GMT
#64
I only have an EU account, but I feel that quite a lot of people I face are bad, especially terran. I rarely go against 2rax, but most of my ZvT is 2-basing terran at the 18 minute mark, by which point I'm at 5 bases and teching to hive.

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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
February 09 2011 19:48 GMT
#65
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.

Yet there is 30% more people playing on the NA ladder than the EU ladder.

It's obvious that the EU ladder has more active notable (tournament winning) players. Even the most accomplished north american players have high ranking EU accounts. E.g. select, huk, kiwikaki, qxc.
eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
February 09 2011 19:49 GMT
#66
On February 10 2011 04:47 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
I don't think either ladder is taken too seriously, but NA is undoubtedly much more of a joke. If I can get #2 on NA you know its pretty f***ing easy, would be much harder on EU would be happy with top 15 :\

I would disagree, but I made the NA T200 by doing one thing, it actually saddens me a bit.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
February 09 2011 19:50 GMT
#67
On February 10 2011 03:48 infinity21 wrote:
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On February 10 2011 03:45 Influ wrote:
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


if i were canadian i would hate US so much

On topic: I think Europe is the stronger server based on what I've seen and heard. Plus there are some terrible players on the NA top 200 list (were, at least).


I agree with Infinity - at one point even he was in the top 200 .
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 09 2011 19:50 GMT
#68
Osto you just pro.
Korean server has 1 country and they're number 1 so...population doesnt matter.
Doesn't matter if US or EU is better if they're not number 1.
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Drorctopus
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:51:35
February 09 2011 19:51 GMT
#69
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
February 09 2011 19:52 GMT
#70
I would have no idea because I never played on the other servers, but I've heard they're similar in skill level.
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tealc
Profile Joined October 2010
109 Posts
February 09 2011 19:53 GMT
#71
EU subcommunities are based on countries, NA subcommunities are based on Husky and such.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
February 09 2011 19:54 GMT
#72
EU has always been better than NA in terms of competitive Blizzard games for reasons that can't really be proven realistically. It's probably due to numerous well ran tournaments that have been going on there in the RTS community since the BW and WC3 era. The BW and competitive WC3 scene in the US ebbed sooner compared to EU and other Asian countries like Korea and China for example.

Blame the FPS games.
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grandkai
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada71 Posts
February 09 2011 19:55 GMT
#73
EU EU EU
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 19:58:09
February 09 2011 19:56 GMT
#74
On February 10 2011 04:40 Fayth wrote:
none are more "skilled" they're just more dedicated, Koreans are much more dedicated to the game than europeans or americans, it's not like one location makes people naturally smarter or w/e lol

it's like in poker we said americans were smarter and asians stupid cuz americans>europeans>asians in terms of results

what does that even mean? obviously skill is conditioned through training and dedication.

and i dont think anybody is arguing what is the genetically superior race either.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
February 09 2011 19:57 GMT
#75
On February 10 2011 02:47 heishe wrote:
I guess it practically doesn't affect the lower tiers at all. Where it starts to make a difference should be the top 5000 players or whatever, since eSports (and PC gaming in general, last I heard USA was basically the country #2 [behind Japan] in terms of gaming consoles per household) has been bigger in the EU than in NA (especially in the RTS department with WC3 before SC2) for a long while now, which results in more players trying to get really good at the game, many of which are already in "electronic social circles" of players who practice with them or share information etc.


pretty much gotta agree with you on this 1. in the USA RTS genre is just not very popular, ontop of PC gaming being the little brother to console gaming it only makes it worse.
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
February 09 2011 19:59 GMT
#76
On February 10 2011 04:56 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 04:40 Fayth wrote:
none are more "skilled" they're just more dedicated, Koreans are much more dedicated to the game than europeans or americans, it's not like one location makes people naturally smarter or w/e lol

it's like in poker we said americans were smarter and asians stupid cuz americans>europeans>asians in terms of results

what does that even mean? obviously skill is conditioned through training and dedication.

and i dont think anybody is arguing what is the genetically superior race either.


by skilled he means natural skill, not earned skill. i guess a better way to put it would be talent
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
February 09 2011 19:59 GMT
#77
On February 10 2011 04:56 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 04:40 Fayth wrote:
none are more "skilled" they're just more dedicated, Koreans are much more dedicated to the game than europeans or americans, it's not like one location makes people naturally smarter or w/e lol

it's like in poker we said americans were smarter and asians stupid cuz americans>europeans>asians in terms of results

what does that even mean? obviously skill is conditioned through training and dedication.

and i dont think anybody is arguing what is the genetically superior race either.

ok then maybe I didn't express myself correctly I meant none are more naturally talented
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 09 2011 19:59 GMT
#78
On February 10 2011 04:54 bubblegumbo wrote:
EU has always been better than NA in terms of competitive Blizzard games for reasons that can't really be proven realistically. It's probably due to numerous well ran tournaments that have been going on there in the RTS community since the BW and WC3 era. The BW and competitive WC3 scene in the US ebbed sooner compared to EU and other Asian countries like Korea and China for example.

Blame the FPS games.


This is probably hitting on the reason...
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Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
February 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#79
EU points have to be inflated due to a vastly different skill curve when compared to US and KR servers. EU may be better than NA, but when HuK can come over from Korea, play for four days and become #1 on the EU server with 250 more points than he has on his KR account, it must be clear to everybody that points don't translate between servers and are not an indicator of skill.
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Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:05:12
February 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#80
Definately EU. Seriously, if they would hold a showmatch between sweden and usa, sweden would probably win.
Also just watch the TSL qualifiers. On the first NA TSL qualifier it was goody(ger) vs nani(swe) in the finals. And there are at least 20 players as strong as goody or nani in eu. I can't imagine that the finals of an eu TSL qualifier would have one NA, let even stand two.

Edit: added the link to the current point rankings in TSL qualifier. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180961.
EU is leading by far over US.
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