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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
February 09 2011 18:13 GMT
#21
I think there's a point in threads like these, cause it's all about competition.
When you look at EU, there's about 40 countries going at it and tryna to be the best european country - the competition is huge. If there's a tourney you always want your country to beat the other european country (look at footbal as an example).
In economy being competitive means being more efficient, if you translate it to sc2 it means being better. The competition is NA is very small, you got USA who is overruling canada for the most part and in mexico electricity has yet to be discovered (just kidding ), so if you win a tourney in NA it's a win for USA anyways, but if you win a tourney in EU you have to go up against other countries and everyone wants to make his country proud and gain some fame for it.

And since sc2 is a competitive strategy game I think provoking some competition in between those realms only can be good. Competition raises efficiency (skill), if you dont get more efficient in order to be competitve you will fall behind. If you don't have to be competitve (like in NA), you won't put as much effort in it as you would otherwise.
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
February 09 2011 18:16 GMT
#22
an NA vs EU matchup has already been made with EU winning 7-3 or so. I think that right now there may be a noticeable gap between the servers in the top 100 or so but I guess once the MLG starts again NA will catch up a bit (btw where is Painuser atm?).
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
February 09 2011 18:16 GMT
#23
I don't think its far apart enough to be of importance. If you're at the top of either ladder you're good enough to be at the top of the other, on the other hand this is probably not the cast if you include the Korean ladder in the mix.
speedphlux
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria962 Posts
February 09 2011 18:19 GMT
#24
Why do we have to turn this into ePenis measuring contest ?
I'm from EU, but most of my favorite players have origins in the NA server - KiwiKaki, Huk, InControl, IdrA, Day[9], Arthritis, Tasteless, djWheat, miniWheat, qxc, Machine and CatZ, just to name a few.
EU players might be better, in some cases, but the names that stand out for me from the EU region are ... TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, DeMuslim, Mondragon and Grubby. And I'm really struggling to figure out more names that I really enjoy watching. Yes, of course, there are Nama, Mana, Mama and Sjow, but ... they're not exactly that sort of attention grabbers as most of the NA players.

So which server is better ? Who cares really ? Both are behind the Korean.
... Humanity Is Not What I Suffer From ...
ThePieRate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States263 Posts
February 09 2011 18:32 GMT
#25
I don't see the point of this, if you play on either server long enough your going to get matched up with people around your skill level. So it really doesn't matter.
Stratus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 18:33:17
February 09 2011 18:33 GMT
#26
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.

User was temp banned for this post.
Unreg
Profile Joined August 2010
181 Posts
February 09 2011 18:33 GMT
#27
From my Gold Experience , I strugle more in EU lol
less is more
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
February 09 2011 18:39 GMT
#28
It seems that most european top players ladder, where as most NA top players don't. Thus the EU ladder seems to be "harder," although for the majority of players (99.99%) it shouldn't make a difference.
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
February 09 2011 18:41 GMT
#29
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


EU as in the European Union, compared to the continent of North America, which isn't even a country?
And another one that I always think is fun when these sort of things come up. The European Union is actually made up out of member states *poof* blew your mind.

I really dislike the whole EU vs US thing. I've seen it spiral out of control really hard in a different community and I think it should be dealt with just like aimless imbalance callings. We should just appreciate both equally and not try to make any distinction based on "skill". Which is a misused term anyway.
MarF
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada156 Posts
February 09 2011 18:42 GMT
#30
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


You realize like half the top players from NA are from Canada?
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 09 2011 18:43 GMT
#31
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


thats pretty ignorant considering the canada-usa population difference and we still have just as much good players or even more.
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
February 09 2011 18:45 GMT
#32
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


if i were canadian i would hate US so much
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 18:51:05
February 09 2011 18:48 GMT
#33
On February 10 2011 03:45 Influ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


if i were canadian i would hate US so much

We don't hate them. We laugh at their ignorance :p

On topic: I think Europe is the stronger server based on what I've seen and heard. Plus there are some terrible players on the NA top 200 list (were, at least).
Official Entusman #21
eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
February 09 2011 18:50 GMT
#34
On February 10 2011 03:45 Influ wrote:
if i were canadian i would hate US so much

Yea that post annoyed me. Allot.

It seems on the NA ladder there's allot of really, really good players who are on par with the best in the world. Although, there seems to be a huge skill gap in masters league. Many players I come across don't know the basics, and have just mastered a single build. It's so easy to abuse small things when playing them, IE lack of control, and really can show how being in NA master league can just be because of a lucky streak.

I've never played EU, so I can't comment.
#2 in the world on the ladders!!! 3.31.11 :D:D:D
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 18:57:11
February 09 2011 18:53 GMT
#35
i think europe has always had a greater number of high skilled players in every single esports game, not just sc2. pretty much all the good international 1.6 teams, quake, wc3, bw, pk, etc players have been from europe. however, i think in terms of peak skill between europe and the US+canada they're probably about the same, except for 1.6.
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
February 09 2011 18:54 GMT
#36
On February 10 2011 02:44 mordk wrote:
Also, out of 16 top players in TSL qualifiers, 12 play on EU, while only 4 play on US. I'd say there's absolutely no doubt that EU is the more difficult ladder and has the more skilled players in general, avoiding some exceptions.



cant agree more! this was even more true in wc3.
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
February 09 2011 18:55 GMT
#37
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.



Not only wrong, but also non-sensical. What difference makes the fact that people in EU are more spread-out in terms of country and language as in NA? It's about the amount of citizens of said regions, not how many countries they're divided in.

Also useless thread, you know this is going to come down to "NA is better", "No, EU is better".
I think esports is pretty nice.
green.at
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Austria1459 Posts
February 09 2011 18:57 GMT
#38
smash em both against a wall and see what breaks first. then you know which one is harder.
Inputting special characters into chat should no longer cause the game to crash.
StarBrift
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden1761 Posts
February 09 2011 18:58 GMT
#39
The only real difference I've felt on the two servers are that US terrans play beta style TvP (marauder openings) and it loses them games. EU terrans however play more of a 1-1-1 style or 2 rax 2 fac most of the time which works better atm.
Mwentworth56
Profile Joined January 2011
146 Posts
February 09 2011 19:01 GMT
#40
I wish I had a game copy so I could play on both but I dont =(. I would think NA
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