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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
February 09 2011 20:02 GMT
#81
In my experience, NA is harder, but it's also just different. You can't compare servers like this, except the Korean server.
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asmo.0
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway318 Posts
February 09 2011 20:06 GMT
#82
I guess people care about the question of "would I perhaps be diamond, and not plat, in NA?" or "Would I still manage to be in diamond in NA? does saying you're in masters division mean the same across regions?"... I've wondered that myself. However, I guess it's quite hard to test, as you cant really see your hidden rank, and the divisons flow together... And we all know points are quite trivial when it comes to skill.

So, interesting question that I believe cant be answered unless the difference is huge, as in gold = plat, plat = diamond etc... Which I dont believe
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
February 09 2011 20:10 GMT
#83
On February 10 2011 04:11 Striding Strider wrote:
A better question would be:

Why does Sweden produce such good players?


Not much else to do in the cold but stay in doors and play SC2...
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
February 09 2011 20:12 GMT
#84
...well, USA was never a respected nation in brood war though relatively many people who went to korea were actually from USA (Rekrul, Assem, Idra, Nony). But I think that most people who've been long time followers of the brood war seen would agree that the countries you watched out for when the brood war foreign scene was the most active were: Canada, Sweden, Poland and Germany in no specific order.

To be honest, it seems like a recurring trend that Europe > USA in esports. Just googling counter strike rankings brings up http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/rankings/ . Europe was certainly stronger than USA in WarCraft 3.

It's no surprise that Europe has more top players in StarCraft 2 as well. It's been pretty brutally obvious that NA players have had a hard time competing in the teamliquid open qualifiers to the point that the casters are making a big deal of "all significant european players attending assembly".

The question is, what do you want to say with all that? Or rather, why could this be? Let's just go with the most obvious answer: european kids probably spend more time playing their games. It should be that simple. Not very interesting.
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vdek
Profile Joined May 2010
United States267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:18:20
February 09 2011 20:18 GMT
#85
I think you can compare certain players who ladder on both servers

SeleCT
EU: 3861 68.73%
NA: 3893 72.76%

LiquidHuK
EU: 4001 67.6%
KR: 3746 54.81%

FXOmOoNan
EU: 3681 58.04%
NA: 3802 59.93%


Who else plays on both servers?
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
February 09 2011 20:19 GMT
#86
Yeah i feel this is just causing some stupid nationalism or in this case some kind of "continentalism". The only point that may be intresting is on which server the pro player in the west have better training conditions na or eu. But this only effects round about 100 people.
Beneath that certain level it's just even, or just not important.
Turenne
Profile Joined January 2011
331 Posts
February 09 2011 20:19 GMT
#87
On February 10 2011 03:33 Stratus wrote:
Eu is 40 countries and NA is 1 you figure it out.


This is surely the most hilarious post if read on TL yet.

eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
February 09 2011 20:20 GMT
#88
Does david kim play on both servers?
#2 in the world on the ladders!!! 3.31.11 :D:D:D
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
February 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#89
What matters is that neither is number one, cause if you want the best competition you would go to korea.
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LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
February 09 2011 20:25 GMT
#90
I'd guess EU. But does it really matter?
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Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
February 09 2011 20:28 GMT
#91
This is a useless thread? I don't see what this is going to accomplish its literally going ot be every one NA saying NOOO NA IS HARDER vs WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EU IS WAY HARDER.
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optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:31:28
February 09 2011 20:30 GMT
#92
EU fighting! ~~

though remember people like Huk si in korea, so latency maybe better on Eu than on US etc so you cant compare
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
February 09 2011 20:30 GMT
#93
On February 10 2011 05:18 vdek wrote:
I think you can compare certain players who ladder on both servers

SeleCT
EU: 3861 68.73%
NA: 3893 72.76%

LiquidHuK
EU: 4001 67.6%
KR: 3746 54.81%

FXOmOoNan
EU: 3681 58.04%
NA: 3802 59.93%


Who else plays on both servers?


These numbers are quite useless. The accounts have differents amounts of games at first. Then the na acc by select is as example by far younger. So he looses less games through a learning process at the start and had quite a few "freewins" in the eu. And you need too consider when he plays... for example if select plays only at night for europeans most likely the top players are sleeping.^^
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
February 09 2011 20:34 GMT
#94
Europe seems to have the largest number of active players right now, other than that, only players that have played on both can say if it's harder to be on any league on here or there.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
February 09 2011 20:35 GMT
#95
On February 10 2011 03:19 speedphlux wrote:
Why do we have to turn this into ePenis measuring contest ?
I'm from EU, but most of my favorite players have origins in the NA server - KiwiKaki, Huk, InControl, IdrA, Day[9], Arthritis, Tasteless, djWheat, miniWheat, qxc, Machine and CatZ, just to name a few.
EU players might be better, in some cases, but the names that stand out for me from the EU region are ... TLO, Jinro, Haypro, Ret, DeMuslim, Mondragon and Grubby. And I'm really struggling to figure out more names that I really enjoy watching. Yes, of course, there are Nama, Mana, Mama and Sjow, but ... they're not exactly that sort of attention grabbers as most of the NA players.

So which server is better ? Who cares really ? Both are behind the Korean.


Did you mean (Z)Artosis?
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Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
February 09 2011 20:37 GMT
#96
Only difference I noticed between the 2 was the prevalence of mech in TvZ on EU and the prevalence of biomech in TvZ on NA.

Also maybe more cheesy/all-inish stuff on EU.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 09 2011 20:38 GMT
#97
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CrayonKing
Profile Joined August 2010
Cambodia124 Posts
February 09 2011 20:39 GMT
#98
This might as well be a what region you are from poll
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-09 20:42:50
February 09 2011 20:41 GMT
#99
On February 10 2011 04:36 Hipster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 03:53 rauk wrote:
i think europe has always had a greater number of high skilled players in every single esports game, not just sc2. pretty much all the good international 1.6 teams, quake, wc3, bw, pk, etc players have been from europe. however, i think in terms of peak skill between europe and the US+canada they're probably about the same, except for 1.6.


quake? bw? come on now :p

pretty much rapha > all and idra/nony in bw.


idra/nony only in the last 2 years. sure we've had assem, and grr if you count canada, but europe has elky/nazgul/sven/androide/draco/mondragon//whitera/ret/kolll/bratok/strelok...... ret was better than idra or nony anyways.

plus i'd put my money on cypher/avek/cooller any time over rapha. also it's not just quakelive, look at q4/q3/q2/qw where all the notable players were european, except thresh at the very very very start and even then deathrow got smashed by clan9, and maybe zero4 + czm.
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
February 09 2011 20:42 GMT
#100
On February 10 2011 05:38 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 05:02 Vehemus wrote:
EU points have to be inflated due to a vastly different skill curve when compared to US and KR servers. EU may be better than NA, but when HuK can come over from Korea, play for four days and become #1 on the EU server with 250 more points than he has on his KR account, it must be clear to everybody that points don't translate between servers and are not an indicator of skill.

No.. that actually just shows how retarded bonus pool system is. Meaty (Naniwa?) got first to 4k diamond on US with like 130 wins or something?


Naniwa was 3k on US as Boyardee, 4k on EU with MeatyOwlLegs or w/e.

and EU is better than NA hands down.
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