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On January 31 2011 11:48 namedplayer wrote:
I don't get it.. even A poutine is over $5... A chicken breast sandwich from Subway has similar price as a GSL whole season ticket. come on, It costs only $10. You can buy the ticket if you decide not to buy a sandwich.
you prefer eating a sandwich rather watching a whole GSL season?
People have been spoiled by free restreams and illegally recorded BW streams being uploaded to YouTube. Once someone has been getting something for free its very hard to get them to then go and pay for it, no matter how cheap it is.
I mean, $10, that's fucking cheap.
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Another pointless post. If you love star craft and want it to grow put money into it if not than don't. This is not BW this is a new game completely there for it has it's own scene and needs to grow the same. Think about it this way. Gom can go ahead and say fuck foreigner's we don't care if they watch or not and just have a decent quality Norean stream. but hey ya know what? They actually care so they go and say. Hey guys you can watch for free and we're going to put the first match of every series up as a vod for free. We're doing a completely different stream for international viewers so if you want to help us get set up and make it better here's a way to help.
But this the internet and you can't make everyone happy. Plus just saying if you care enough about gsl to want to sit your friends down and actually watch it and not just one match you would have bought the monthly tickets already.
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On January 31 2011 12:03 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 11:45 0neder wrote:On January 31 2011 11:42 Xafnia wrote:
I pretty much don't care or follow GSL because of the lack of vods. I've watched maybe 1-2 series per GSL since season 2.
They are killing the interest in their own product, it's pretty silly. esports will never survive if it is not financially solvent, and than means paying customers.You pay $10 and you get what, 50 hours worth of VODs? Yeah, horrible deal! yeah .. like how BW is over 10 year right? oh wait .. most people doesn't get the the impact of casuals/non-gamers watching the game .. do you think that 3/4 year old bisu fan girl plays? No .. do you think those stalker/fan girls play hardcore BW or do they even play at all? No .. also, 10$ is worth more in other countries.
BW makes it money from advertisers on Korean television, and all the sponsorship money. Online illegal stream viewing is irrelevant to the success of BW; its a drop in the bucket
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On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so.
This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal.
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THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
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On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games.
if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place.
i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it.
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On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it.
I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft.
But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way.
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On January 31 2011 11:41 DeltruS wrote:
To Timbo, using youtube would eliminate bandwidth costs, increase resolution, provide ad revenue and increase viewer base.
The ad revenue through youtube is simply not enough to sustain something as big as the GSL. Sure for someone like Husky who is just one man sat in front of a webcam it can give a nice income. The GSL has to support a team of staff, the studio and equipment required to put on a live show, un-aired qualifier events, a foriegner house and a $100,000 prize pool each month. Obviously ad revenue from youtube is going to do very little to contribute to all these costs. With some proper thought it doesn't take long to come to the conclusion that youtube is not a viable option for GOM despite the fact that it might attract more viewers.
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Even if you're a newcomer, if you've watched HD or Husky or Day[9] on youtube and you're interested in watching more, shelling out 10 dollars is not that much. I'd recommend it to anyone and everyone in the Starcraft community. Think about it, 10 dollars is basically free. It's quite easy to get 10 dollars.
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On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way.
So you're a libertarian who doesn't believe GOM should be paid for their product. Right...
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On January 31 2011 06:31 Ryan375 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 06:30 mprs wrote:
I think people can still watch SQ live for free, which isn't too bad... VODs would probably be more pertinent as Live shows are in the night time.
For Americans. Some random "Team Liquid", for example, happens to be mostly non-American.
Last season was good, and its bound to get better with the weaker players being weeded out every season. Sucks for Leenock, but i wasn't impressed with his play anywhere near as much as in that legendary Clide battle.
There's still a ton of horrible matches, especially in code a, but its worth it just o have the 1/5 quality match. Go get that premium if you want VODs.
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my 10bux for this passed season was worth it. Man watching in HQ, and not having to stay up pretty damn nice.
I don't mind paying for entertainment. Hell if I got a HQ stream and english casters for osl/msl proleague I would shell something like 30ish easy. '
Edit: shell out the 10 dolla its worth it. 
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On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way.
I found this cool link so you can start learning about libertarianism: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libertarianism/
Jibba is quite right in stating that if you really were a libertarian you would pay GOMtv for their product rather than steal it.
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$10, especially at the current exchange rate, is probably an insignificant amount for most people, relative to the entertainment provided by 1080p vods and a slightly less gimp live stream :o PS. dont tell gom, I wouldnt pay a cent moar :O
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On January 31 2011 13:00 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way. So you're a libertarian who doesn't believe GOM should be paid for their product. Right...
The value of a product is dependent on its scarcity. Something that has no scarcity tends to have no value.
Gomtv only gets away with charging because enough people are either too ignorant to recognize the lack of scarcity, or have separate desires than simply viewing the "unscarce product," such as "supporting the community" or "not being a thief."
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On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way.
I find it very difficult to believe that if there was no option of obtaining Gomtv games illegally you wouldn't pay the $10 to watch them. It just seems like you tell yourself that to try and justify your theft.
I mean, you must be an avid starcraft 2 fan to make the effort of finding illegal ways to watch the content and as a fan of the GSL you must invest many hours into watching it all. However if there was no possible way to watch it other than spending $10 you wouldn't bother?
That sounds very strange to me and pretty unbelivable. I don't know what terrible financial situation you must be in that spending $10 is completely out of the question for something that you invest a lot of time into and enjoy.
I personally dont care if you would rather pirate the games than pay the $10. Luckily most of us are trying to support esports and are happy to pay for a quality service. If everyone had the same attitude as you there wouldn't even be anything like the GSL.
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This is really not so complicated, guys...
SC is big in Korea, GomTV is big in Korea, streaming to Korea is relatively cheap for GomTV.
SC is not big in the west, streaming to the west is incredibly expensive for GomTV.
Without some model to make money from westerners, Gom would have no justification to hire great english commentators and set up a FREE live stream for you ungrateful assholes who think they're just being greedy. So, we'd all be stuck watching restreams of Korean commentary if not for this pay-per-month system. Yeah, that sure would be great for the growth of eSports, right?
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On January 31 2011 13:18 timbo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way. I find it very difficult to believe that if there was no option of obtaining Gomtv games illegally you wouldn't pay the $10 to watch them. It just seems like you tell yourself that to try and justify your theft. I mean, you must be an avid starcraft 2 fan to make the effort of finding illegal ways to watch the content and as a fan of the GSL you must invest many hours into watching it all. However if there was no possible way to watch it other than spending $10 you wouldn't bother? That sounds very strange to me and pretty unbelivable. I don't know what terrible financial situation you must be in that spending $10 is completely out of the question for something that you invest a lot of time into and enjoy. I personally dont care if you would rather pirate the games than pay the $10. Luckily most of us are trying to support esports and are happy to pay for a quality service. If everyone had the same attitude as you there wouldn't even be anything like the GSL.
I don't believe in paying to hear the radio station in my car either. Somehow they can manage their business without calling their customer a thief.
And it really takes no effort to find free alternatives, unless you think a google search is a real effort. And I haven't spent hours avidly watching the GSL lmao... If you want to pay to "support the community" go right ahead. I know full well that the community can and will thrive whether I throw away ten dollars or not.
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On January 31 2011 13:22 Cel.erity wrote:
This is really not so complicated, guys...
SC is big in Korea, GomTV is big in Korea, streaming to Korea is relatively cheap for GomTV.
SC is not big in the west, streaming to the west is incredibly expensive for GomTV.
Without some model to make money from westerners, Gom would have no justification to hire great english commentators and set up a FREE live stream for you ungrateful assholes who think they're just being greedy. So, we'd all be stuck watching restreams of Korean commentary if not for this pay-per-month system. Yeah, that sure would be great for the growth of eSports, right?
OP's main argument is not that Gom is greedy.
Yes business need to make money, But by charging the viewership, Gomtv is alienating not just mainstream but a significant portion of the population within SC2 community itself as well. Thinking about the future, which would be more logical? Small, dedicated niche community or larger viewer-ship/exposure with possibility of getting sponsorship, latter model being used in South Korea even for GSL already?
Also it itsn't unreasonable to ask for at least the VoDs to be free after certain period of time.
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I'm sure they're probably looking into or have thought about putting advertisements on the VODs so that it can all just be free. The issue is though that the target audience spans across all continents. It's not like youtube where they're such a huge base and can just show you advertisements based on your location.
I have the season ticket. 10USD is like one meal for me, so i can sacrifice that once a month. I got the season pass because I wanted to be guaranteed an easy way to get access to high quality VODs when I have to stay asleep because of school and such. Honestly 10USD is nothing for a month of entertainment. MLG charges a similar price for a weekend of entertainment with advertisements, (although they do have better quality streams).
As for the people who say that they are in no way harming GOM by watching the videos elsewhere because they otherwise wouldn't watch, yea right. Think of it, if no one ever re-streamed or uploaded the VODs elsewhere, people like you wouldn't have access to those videos and would be forced to pay to watch. Their sales would skyrocket because that would be the only way to watch. Don't think that by watching a restream that's already available, that you are not supporting that act and making it worse because if not that many people watched restreams, then those providing the restreams would be less encouraged to do so.
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On January 31 2011 13:23 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 13:18 timbo wrote:On January 31 2011 12:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:42 Assirra wrote:On January 31 2011 12:37 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:23 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote:On January 31 2011 12:13 silentsod wrote:On January 31 2011 12:10 jdseemoreglass wrote:
I would watch the VOD's on gomtv if they were free. Instead I watch them on other sites for free. That means gomtv is losing my advertising revenue, and their revenue is going to another site just because they decide to upload some videos.
This is the internet people.... the idea that you can regulate and keep any data off the internet is rediculous. Nearly every other site relies on viewership and advertising revenue to make their profit. Gomtv needs to get with the program. Because you can access it somewhere else makes it okay to do so and cheat GOMtv out of money they need to continue producing the content that you enjoy? You, sir, have a terrible mindset. You can't claim that I am cheating them of money simply because they are choosing to charge other people for it. Those people can pay if they like... I would rather watch for free, and I won't feel anymore guilty than when I watch free videos on youtube or anywhere else. No, I can because you are. They produce this content which they own, other people steal this and by proxy you steal it as well. "It's okay because someone else stole it first" does not make it so. This post is the property of jdseemoreglass. To view the content contained in this post, please send me $5. Viewing this content without authorized permission is illegal. + Show Spoiler +
THIEF!!! I didn't even set a link up yet!!!
lol but seriously, if the content you want is just a click away, what do you expect?
Paying for something from someone, when someone else is offering it for free:
!= morality
= stupidity
Simple supply and demand. You can try to enforce artificial scarcity all you want, but data, by its very nature, is NOT scarce. Anything that can be reproduced an infinite number of times with the click of a button will NEVER be a scarce good!
plz explain me how this is different from pirating games. if you want something and dont want to pay for it you dont want it enough and dont deserve it in the first place. i love excuses ppl give for doing stuff like that, it makes you look worse then you are for actually doing it. I have a morality and a view of the world that not everyone will agree with. I don't believe in victimless crimes. In order for me to feel that something is "wrong," or "immoral," or "bad" it has to actual harm someone in some way. Behavior which cause no harm to anyone cannot be considered immoral according to my libertarian view of the world. Because gomtv is harmed in absolutely no shape, manner, or form, then I cannot feel guilty for watching videos. You cannot claim they are losing the money that I would have voluntarily paid, because I would NOT voluntarily pay. I would rather not watch at all if paying was the only option. Gomtv isn't affected or even aware of my actions in any way, so I don't consider it theft. But I know it is popular in modern society to desire control over people even where their actions cause no harm to anyone in any way. I find it very difficult to believe that if there was no option of obtaining Gomtv games illegally you wouldn't pay the $10 to watch them. It just seems like you tell yourself that to try and justify your theft. I mean, you must be an avid starcraft 2 fan to make the effort of finding illegal ways to watch the content and as a fan of the GSL you must invest many hours into watching it all. However if there was no possible way to watch it other than spending $10 you wouldn't bother? That sounds very strange to me and pretty unbelivable. I don't know what terrible financial situation you must be in that spending $10 is completely out of the question for something that you invest a lot of time into and enjoy. I personally dont care if you would rather pirate the games than pay the $10. Luckily most of us are trying to support esports and are happy to pay for a quality service. If everyone had the same attitude as you there wouldn't even be anything like the GSL. I don't believe in paying to hear the radio station in my car either. Somehow they can manage their business without calling their customer a thief. And it really takes no effort to find free alternatives, unless you think a google search is a real effort. And I haven't spent hours avidly watching the GSL lmao... If you want to pay to "support the community" go right ahead. I know full well that the community can and will thrive whether I throw away ten dollars or not.
You don't need to pay to watch GSL live, which is what listening on the radio, or watching a live sports event is like.
You pay for the higher quality live option, and the on-demand option.
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