I think it was a bad idea for them to charge for the first couple seasons. I think it would have been beneficial for them to offer the hq stream for free but say that they will start charging $20/season at the start of the new year because I think it would have attracted more people to the free stream and watching a couple GSL's might coax some into buying it for the new year who would not have bought it up front
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
On January 31 2011 11:14 lac29 wrote: You know ... technology is pretty advanced these days that I'm sure it is possible to have ads localized to your country. So yes, some Romanian company could advertise to Romanian GSL viewers and not to American viewers.
The problem is convincing that Romanian company to pay for advertising for what is a niche form of entertainment.
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
You are so off base here it's not funny. The casuals run every sport. This is true from Football to MMA. You need casuals. You need to grow, because right now Esports is pretty small compared to other traditional sports, we NEED the casuals.
it's probably worth it for anyone who likes SC2 even just a little, I mean it's what 10$ for several hours of entertainment over several weeks.... why would anybody complain about that is beyond me
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
That is a TERRIBLE attitude. Wow! Us GSL viewers are only an extremely small percentage of the world. What we want if for SC2 to become commonplace. That would mean increasing it's viewerbase by thousands of times what it is now.
We are not some cult or anything like that. We are normal people who found this game one day through people on youtube. Everyone in the world is like us. Everyone in the world can be us. Who are you to deny them that?
Esports has unlimited potential. This potential far outweighs some petty forward paid cash.
On January 31 2011 11:17 PukinDog wrote:Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
That's incredibly narrow minded and short sighted of you. Excluding the casuals is a certain death sentence on any sort of extended popularity. Just look at what happened to BW outside Korea. Only the hardcore have remained, and the scene is basically dead. Vanished. Now look at the BW scene in Korea still going strong - because it's pulling in the audience numbers needed to get put on TV and it's accepted in the mainstream.
Also, you're confusing SCII the game and SCII the spectator sport. There's no need at all to dumb anything down in the game because it's still awesome to watch in action.
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
You are so off base here it's not funny. The casuals run every sport. This is true from Football to MMA. You need casuals. You need to grow, because right now Esports is pretty small compared to other traditional sports, we NEED the casuals.
Dude, you dont know what you are talking about.
Do you think NFL Football is run by Casuals? NBA Basketball?
In the NFL, most of the money comes from the TV contract, Sky-boxes and jersey sales, not from those who buy tickets for a game anymore. That is a fact. Ask any TV network executive if they would rather have the one or two games they get to broadcast to the masses, or the shitload of dough being raked in by DirecTV for the NFL package, that people pay hundreds for each season.
Casual viewers dont even run Woman's Basketball. If not for lesbians, that shit would be off the air tomorrow, and there is nothing CASUAL about Lesbians.
On January 31 2011 11:17 PukinDog wrote:Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
That's incredibly narrow minded and short sighted of you.
It also happens to be true and correct. Ask GOM if they would love 400K subscriptions. They wont get them appealing to those who dont use hotkeys.
I missed it when it was 100% free like the first years and when SQ live stream didn't suck with a quality so low you can't even distinguish the units. I don't think it's worth paying for, Day9 & Husky are all freely available for everyone on youtube in HD and it gets hundreds of thousands of views in-comparison to GomTV's VOD's which only has like a fraction of that.
If they want exposure twitter is not the way to go, that's just another social networking fad that most on TL don't even use. (There was a poll awhile ago) I have to say the saving grace of GomTV right now is Tastosis, they're the best commentators I have had the joy of listening to in the history of E-sports and the world, I adore what they're doing but I'm skeptical to the companies that sponsor them.
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
You are so off base here it's not funny. The casuals run every sport. This is true from Football to MMA. You need casuals. You need to grow, because right now Esports is pretty small compared to other traditional sports, we NEED the casuals.
Dude, you dont know what you are talking about.
Do you think NFL Football is run by Casuals? NBA Basketball?
In the NFL, most of the money comes from the TV contract, Sky-boxes and jersey sales, not from those who buy tickets for a game anymore. That is a fact. Ask any TV network executive if they would rather have the one or two games they get to broadcast to the masses, or the shitload of dough being raked in by DirecTV for the NFL package, that people pay hundreds for each season.
Casual viewers dont even run Woman's Basketball. If not for lesbians, that shit would be off the air tomorrow, and there is nothing CASUAL about Lesbians.
There would be no hardcore viewers if casuals didn't teach them about said sport. Period. If sports had only hardcores, it wouldn't exist.
On January 31 2011 10:48 PukinDog wrote: It is worth it, PERIOD.
Where else can you see the best players in SC2 playing each other, with commentary, in HQ, and watch the VODs over and over again?
Want to work on your splitting? Simple, go watch Foxer vs Kyrix on Zel Naga Caverns in Season 2 over and over again until you pick up how he does it. (Good luck)
Problem with your macro? Check out how players like Nada and MVP will actually que up 2-3 SCVs sometimes before they push or drop.
Idra seems to always know exactly how many banes and lings will bust a main. Freeze a VOD and count them, bitches!
Watch how players abuse the high ground, and where to best place that Spine Crawler to fight off that Thor on the Cliff, like only Idra and Fruitdealer can.
When I watch the GSL vods, I take note of the strategies used, what works, what didnt and why. I am building an Excel spreadsheet going all the way back to Season 2. (season 1 had poor balance)
Sure, there are YouTube VODs, but I prefer Tastosis, regardless of their bias and premature GG predictions. They are funny, knowlegeble, and often will throw in some insight that I would never have picked up on my own.
When you consider, that these GSL seasons are less than the cost of a decent pizza, what the hell are we even arguing about? If you cant afford the GSL, should you really be playing video games? Get a job. If you are a kid, cut some fucking grass. Shit, cut my grass, I'll buy you a season.
Buy it.
Bitches.
Worth the $? Hell yes.
Worth it to people who know little to nothing about ESports or SCII and you are trying to convert over, or people who watch 1-10 SCII matches a month at most? Hell No.
To me it's not about the hardcore fans, it's a fantastic deal to them, but the casuals are hurt by this move. The casuals make up the bulk of the audience.....
Screw Casuals.
Casual viewers are not what this game needs. Blizzard has sold 4M copies of this game. If 10% of those purchasers watch the GSL, then GOM will be fat dumb and happy.
They should appeal to the hardcore SC & SC2 players, not some herp-a-derp jerk who bought the game based on a review in PC World. That person does NOT help the community.
Anyone who has to be convinced to love this game, is NOT someone I want GOM to waste a minute on trying to convince them. If you dont love Starcraft, F-off and go play something else.
This is a hardcore game, for hardcore gamers. It is NOT for everyone, because it is too damn hard to get good at it. When you try to appeal to the masses, that usually means dumb'ing it down for them.
Love this game or leave it.
You are so off base here it's not funny. The casuals run every sport. This is true from Football to MMA. You need casuals. You need to grow, because right now Esports is pretty small compared to other traditional sports, we NEED the casuals.
Dude, you dont know what you are talking about.
Do you think NFL Football is run by Casuals? NBA Basketball?
In the NFL, most of the money comes from the TV contract, Sky-boxes and jersey sales, not from those who buy tickets for a game anymore. That is a fact. Ask any TV network executive if they would rather have the one or two games they get to broadcast to the masses, or the shitload of dough being raked in by DirecTV for the NFL package, that people pay hundreds for each season.
Casual viewers dont even run Woman's Basketball. If not for lesbians, that shit would be off the air tomorrow, and there is nothing CASUAL about Lesbians.
There would be no hardcore viewers if casuals didn't teach them about said sport. Period. If sports had only hardcores, it wouldn't exist.
Soccer and Hockey prove you are wrong. Especially Soccer, where it is hardcore and nothing else. Those who keep trying to push it on Americans (casual viewers) keep failing miserably.
Hell, I remember back when Hockey considered using a larger puck, or one that glowed in the dark, etc. They finally figured out that there are those of us who love Hockey, and those that dont, and that is that.
I missed it when it was 100% free like the first years and when SQ live stream didn't suck with a quality so low you can't even distinguish the units. I don't think it's worth paying for, Day9 & Husky are all freely available for everyone on youtube in HD and it gets hundreds of thousands of views in-comparison to GomTV's VOD's which only has like a fraction of that.
Most viewed VoDs on GomTV.net: Views: 484,621 Views: 365,879 Views: 341,275 Views: 294,451 Views: 255,091
Pretty good numbers, imo.
But sure, it could (and should!) always be bigger. I think they're doing a great job appealing to international audiences as is. Free livestream with English casters, English interviews after every match, Premium options for VoDs and HQ quality live streams for those who want to invest.
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I think they're doing a great job appealing to international audiences as is. Free livestream with English casters, English interviews after every match, Premium options for VoDs and HQ quality live streams for those who want to invest.
