EPTCreating a Customladder similar to BW ICCup - Page 5
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MavercK
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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Atticus.axl
United States456 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I don't see how having a private server keep its own ranks for custom games would be an issue. Isn't this what sc2ranks does with ladder? If Blizzard is against this, it is simply because they know how poor their ladder system and maps are, and they know their would be a mass exodus from ladder. Their already irrelevant ladder and point system would be completely abandoned and ignored. Their strangle hold on esports would diminish. As soon as something like this gets implemented they will probably change the eula as well. If a real ladder system with good maps gets created it would be a huge step towards major tournaments using maps that arn't 6 month old trash. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
Also, he wanted proof, and was thinking about asking Blizzard himself so he can control what gets asked and how the answer gets interpreted. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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Prfx
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You could basically construct the whole thing in a way that the program would just copy the SC2Bank and then screw arround in the copy and doesn't change a thing in the SC2 directory. Example: At the end of the match the result is saved in the SC2Bank. This will increase it's size. The program notices that and copys the bank. When you start a new map the previous results will be deleted from the bank during the Melee initialization process. Thats the equivalent of you copying a Replay to your desktop, opening it with notepad and screwing arround in it and then never let it get in contact with SC2 again. And: On January 04 2011 06:59 dementrio wrote: the point of a ladder would be that players are ranked and you play people who are around your skill level. you can't do that with how the custom game lobby works; you have to create and invite people, or play whoever decides to join the map otherwise. a bot that hears you saying "i want to play" and answers "random guy around your level is waiting for a game" would help. One that creates games itself and invites players would be better but if the chat channels work under some known protocol a channel bot would be much easier to script. I had also thought about a chatlobby based ladder first. The system could work similar to the one i posted only that there is just 1 version of the map floating arround instead of one for each rank and people arrange games in the appropriate channels. Much like here: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/cmr5Z.jpg) I'll add this to the OP. | ||
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vlaric
United States412 Posts
On January 04 2011 07:15 WniO wrote: wouldn't this kind of mess up their statistics and such? since the ladder itself helps them alot balance-wise. well, the statistics wouldn't be included in the same batch as the blizz ladder's, since all of the games played here would be custom maps. i don't see why they would care about the stats of another ladder anyway- it doesn't seem like they have any concern for using maps that the community has been clamoring for. to OP: really innovate stuff, can't wait to find out how far u can actually go with this. hopefully we'll have a great custom ladder up on sc2 soon! | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
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ChickenLips
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On January 04 2011 09:36 Keitzer wrote: sweet deal... im still hoping Blizz says yes to this.... If he formulates it like this I don't believe Blizzard can really say no. They can be dicks however and try to prevent the custom maps from bein playable etc. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On January 04 2011 09:39 ChickenLips wrote: If he formulates it like this I don't believe Blizzard can really say no. They can be dicks however and try to prevent the custom maps from bein playable etc. that's what we're all hoping (at least the people who have hope are hoping) | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
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StayFrosty
Canada743 Posts
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Bob300
United States505 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
It's only been like 4 months since release and most of blizz's focus is probably on balance atm, introducing a new map pool would probably throw a wrench in their data collecting. Also, the evidence supports Blizzard in this instance, people bitched about Kulas, it was removed, people wanted new maps? Xel'Naga, Jungle Basin and Shakuras. a possibly game breaking bug on shakuras was discovered and they take the map down. I say give them a chance, after all, you wouldn't be playing SC2 or BW if it weren't for them. | ||
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StayFrosty
Canada743 Posts
On January 04 2011 10:04 PlaGuE_R wrote: you guys seriously need to chill out about the maps. Seriously, you guys are bitching about sooo many things and yet expect blizzard to handle everything at once and within the few hours that they come up with it? It's only been like 4 months since release and most of blizz's focus is probably on balance atm, introducing a new map pool would probably throw a wrench in their data collecting. Also, the evidence supports Blizzard in this instance, people bitched about Kulas, it was removed, people wanted new maps? Xel'Naga, Jungle Basin and Shakuras. a possibly game breaking bug on shakuras was discovered and they take the map down. I say give them a chance, after all, you wouldn't be playing SC2 or BW if it weren't for them. Everyone realizes the game is fairly young in terms of development. I think the heart of the issue lies in the fact that blizzard is reluctant to acknowledge that there are some serious balance issues as a result of certain maps/match ups and whether or not they will implement community maps into the ladder. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On January 04 2011 10:21 StayFrosty wrote: Everyone realizes the game is fairly young in terms of development. I think the heart of the issue lies in the fact that blizzard is reluctant to acknowledge that there are some serious balance issues as a result of certain maps/match ups and whether or not they will implement community maps into the ladder. that, AND they have literally said they won't change the map pool for at least a few months as it is one of the lowest of their priorities.... | ||
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zyax
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If the system really kicks off you will have these maps on page 1 of popular custom maps and a lot of people will join them, even if they don't know about the system. This will result in every 2nd game getting dropped because the other person didn't know what this map was about. I don't know if there is the possiblity to access sc2bank files in the lobby, if there is it could prevent this from happening. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On January 04 2011 11:03 zyax wrote: The only problem i see is, that this ladder won't be able the prevent people from joining that don't have this software or just want to check out the map. If the system really kicks off you will have these maps on page 1 of popular custom maps and a lot of people will join them, even if they don't know about the system. This will result in every 2nd game getting dropped because the other person didn't know what this map was about. I don't know if there is the possiblity to access sc2bank files in the lobby, if there is it could prevent this from happening. hmm, i see your point, say, 50,000 people all trying to join some custom game and it keeps kicking them.. maybe in the description of the map tell them they have to get the program? | ||
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