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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
January 03 2011 22:56 GMT
#81
i quoted the wrong post. my bad.
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 22:57 GMT
#82
lol, you're good
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Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
January 03 2011 23:30 GMT
#83
I am ecstatic. I was anxiously awaiting the day when great and talented members of the community with the knowledge to do so, would create a custom ladder. This, more than anything else, should let Activision-Blizzard know that they will never be able to control how and where the community plays. I would play on this ladder the moment it's created.
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Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 00:09:00
January 03 2011 23:33 GMT
#84
you should get with iccup diamond about this, maybe they could provide you with additional resources, and know how.

I don't see how having a private server keep its own ranks for custom games would be an issue. Isn't this what sc2ranks does with ladder?

If Blizzard is against this, it is simply because they know how poor their ladder system and maps are, and they know their would be a mass exodus from ladder. Their already irrelevant ladder and point system would be completely abandoned and ignored. Their strangle hold on esports would diminish. As soon as something like this gets implemented they will probably change the eula as well. If a real ladder system with good maps gets created it would be a huge step towards major tournaments using maps that arn't 6 month old trash.
:)
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 23:43 GMT
#85
well, like i've said (if you haven't noticed his name or signature) .. prodiG is from iCCup. He's (i think) one of the map makers for iCCup, and he would like this idea but isn't sure if Blizzard will agree

Also, he wanted proof, and was thinking about asking Blizzard himself so he can control what gets asked and how the answer gets interpreted.
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 04 2011 00:10 GMT
#86
and no thats not was SC2ranks.com does.. they just organize the data that is collected from the sc2 blizzard ladder
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Prfx
Profile Joined July 2010
51 Posts
January 04 2011 00:25 GMT
#87
Feel free to post this on the US Blizzard forums (the EU ones are abandoned afaik) or somewhere else Blizzard will notice it, but i don't think they'll have a problem with it since there is 0 code injection happening.
You could basically construct the whole thing in a way that the program would just copy the SC2Bank and then screw arround in the copy and doesn't change a thing in the SC2 directory.

Example:
At the end of the match the result is saved in the SC2Bank. This will increase it's size. The program notices that and copys the bank. When you start a new map the previous results will be deleted from the bank during the Melee initialization process.

Thats the equivalent of you copying a Replay to your desktop, opening it with notepad and screwing arround in it and then never let it get in contact with SC2 again.

And:

On January 04 2011 06:59 dementrio wrote:
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On January 04 2011 06:40 Keitzer wrote:

you wouldn't need 100 of each map... just 1. 1 that connected with the server and added or subtracted based on the results and who was playing against who.


and no i've never heard of wgt. looking it up now.


the point of a ladder would be that players are ranked and you play people who are around your skill level. you can't do that with how the custom game lobby works; you have to create and invite people, or play whoever decides to join the map otherwise. a bot that hears you saying "i want to play" and answers "random guy around your level is waiting for a game" would help.
One that creates games itself and invites players would be better but if the chat channels work under some known protocol a channel bot would be much easier to script.


I had also thought about a chatlobby based ladder first. The system could work similar to the one i posted only that there is just 1 version of the map floating arround instead of one for each rank and people arrange games in the appropriate channels. Much like here:
[image loading]

I'll add this to the OP.
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
January 04 2011 00:34 GMT
#88
On January 04 2011 07:15 WniO wrote:
wouldn't this kind of mess up their statistics and such? since the ladder itself helps them alot balance-wise.


well, the statistics wouldn't be included in the same batch as the blizz ladder's, since all of the games played here would be custom maps. i don't see why they would care about the stats of another ladder anyway- it doesn't seem like they have any concern for using maps that the community has been clamoring for.

to OP: really innovate stuff, can't wait to find out how far u can actually go with this. hopefully we'll have a great custom ladder up on sc2 soon!
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 04 2011 00:36 GMT
#89
sweet deal... im still hoping Blizz says yes to this....
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ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
January 04 2011 00:39 GMT
#90
On January 04 2011 09:36 Keitzer wrote:
sweet deal... im still hoping Blizz says yes to this....


If he formulates it like this I don't believe Blizzard can really say no.

They can be dicks however and try to prevent the custom maps from bein playable etc.
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 04 2011 00:44 GMT
#91
On January 04 2011 09:39 ChickenLips wrote:
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On January 04 2011 09:36 Keitzer wrote:
sweet deal... im still hoping Blizz says yes to this....


If he formulates it like this I don't believe Blizzard can really say no.

They can be dicks however and try to prevent the custom maps from bein playable etc.


that's what we're all hoping (at least the people who have hope are hoping)
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Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 00:58:32
January 04 2011 00:55 GMT
#92
Come to think of it, isn't this basically how gamebattles works? Except players report the winner of each battle and they use crappy blizzard maps. Instead of it automatically finding out. Check it out.
:)
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
January 04 2011 00:56 GMT
#93
This is a very good idea, and you have a pretty good argument for it being allowed by the TOS. I think this could develop into something pretty interesting if you can get the logistics worked out.
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
January 04 2011 00:56 GMT
#94
I've been awaiting an idea like this since I've realized how shit the blizzard maps are. 100% support for this project! If you need any testers or administrative help I would love to lend a hand!
Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
January 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#95
This is an amazing idea, but... 5 posts i wont download until I have confidence that you wont steal my password lol...
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
January 04 2011 01:04 GMT
#96
you guys seriously need to chill out about the maps. Seriously, you guys are bitching about sooo many things and yet expect blizzard to handle everything at once and within the few hours that they come up with it?

It's only been like 4 months since release and most of blizz's focus is probably on balance atm, introducing a new map pool would probably throw a wrench in their data collecting. Also, the evidence supports Blizzard in this instance, people bitched about Kulas, it was removed, people wanted new maps? Xel'Naga, Jungle Basin and Shakuras. a possibly game breaking bug on shakuras was discovered and they take the map down.

I say give them a chance, after all, you wouldn't be playing SC2 or BW if it weren't for them.
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StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
January 04 2011 01:21 GMT
#97
On January 04 2011 10:04 PlaGuE_R wrote:
you guys seriously need to chill out about the maps. Seriously, you guys are bitching about sooo many things and yet expect blizzard to handle everything at once and within the few hours that they come up with it?

It's only been like 4 months since release and most of blizz's focus is probably on balance atm, introducing a new map pool would probably throw a wrench in their data collecting. Also, the evidence supports Blizzard in this instance, people bitched about Kulas, it was removed, people wanted new maps? Xel'Naga, Jungle Basin and Shakuras. a possibly game breaking bug on shakuras was discovered and they take the map down.

I say give them a chance, after all, you wouldn't be playing SC2 or BW if it weren't for them.


Everyone realizes the game is fairly young in terms of development. I think the heart of the issue lies in the fact that blizzard is reluctant to acknowledge that there are some serious balance issues as a result of certain maps/match ups and whether or not they will implement community maps into the ladder.
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 04 2011 01:42 GMT
#98
On January 04 2011 10:21 StayFrosty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 10:04 PlaGuE_R wrote:
you guys seriously need to chill out about the maps. Seriously, you guys are bitching about sooo many things and yet expect blizzard to handle everything at once and within the few hours that they come up with it?

It's only been like 4 months since release and most of blizz's focus is probably on balance atm, introducing a new map pool would probably throw a wrench in their data collecting. Also, the evidence supports Blizzard in this instance, people bitched about Kulas, it was removed, people wanted new maps? Xel'Naga, Jungle Basin and Shakuras. a possibly game breaking bug on shakuras was discovered and they take the map down.

I say give them a chance, after all, you wouldn't be playing SC2 or BW if it weren't for them.


Everyone realizes the game is fairly young in terms of development. I think the heart of the issue lies in the fact that blizzard is reluctant to acknowledge that there are some serious balance issues as a result of certain maps/match ups and whether or not they will implement community maps into the ladder.


that, AND they have literally said they won't change the map pool for at least a few months as it is one of the lowest of their priorities....
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zyax
Profile Joined April 2010
25 Posts
January 04 2011 02:03 GMT
#99
The only problem i see is, that this ladder won't be able the prevent people from joining that don't have this software or just want to check out the map.

If the system really kicks off you will have these maps on page 1 of popular custom maps and a lot of people will join them, even if they don't know about the system. This will result in every 2nd game getting dropped because the other person didn't know what this map was about.

I don't know if there is the possiblity to access sc2bank files in the lobby, if there is it could prevent this from happening.


Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 04 2011 02:05 GMT
#100
On January 04 2011 11:03 zyax wrote:
The only problem i see is, that this ladder won't be able the prevent people from joining that don't have this software or just want to check out the map.

If the system really kicks off you will have these maps on page 1 of popular custom maps and a lot of people will join them, even if they don't know about the system. This will result in every 2nd game getting dropped because the other person didn't know what this map was about.

I don't know if there is the possiblity to access sc2bank files in the lobby, if there is it could prevent this from happening.




hmm, i see your point, say, 50,000 people all trying to join some custom game and it keeps kicking them..

maybe in the description of the map tell them they have to get the program?
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