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On January 04 2011 05:31 prodiG wrote:
This is against the terms of usage. Blizzard has explained this very clearly since before the beta I believe. If you've actually found a loophole here, then I'm all for it though!
and how is it against the usage... i'm not saying you're wrong, just that i don't think that using THEIR custom map settings (and editor to make SC2Bank files) is against the ToS....
the only *maybe* sketchy part is the server that keeps the "data"... but even then it's just numbers/letters/other stuff that isn't SC2 specific, it could be CS data for all they know (ofc it's going to be Starcraft, but doesn't HAVE to be Starcraft).
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i would love to help work on this if people actually want to use this. I can imagine it would work great with iccup maps etc. Can you actually do file operations from sc2 map?
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If you can hide build orders from the bnet system that would be exceptionally useful and be a more enticing option.
I would enjoy playing on new maps. Blizzard maps are kinda garbage and while I'm not pro, I'm good enough that it does still effect me in 1v1s. Think most people feel that way
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On January 04 2011 05:38 Stiver wrote:
If you can hide build orders from the bnet system that would be exceptionally useful and be a more enticing option.
I would enjoy playing on new maps. Blizzard maps are kinda garbage and while I'm not pro, I'm good enough that it does still effect me in 1v1s. Think most people feel that way
there is a way to hide build orders.. someone posted about it here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153120
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There is nothing wrong with this as long as the ladder gets a http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/283442813 license if it's going to be handing out prices as far as I can tell.
You can start a ladder on a website and just do everything manually (report games, verify through replays etc.). This is just a kind of smart way to automate things.
Indeed kind of cool.
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wow i all ways thought that there would be no real way to do this, but you outline a very clever solution i would really hope to see this get worked out in some way or blizzard start churning out some good and balanced maps
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why would the external program need the bnet credentials?
and, to "convert" existing maps to work with such a system you would need their source, right? I think e.g. iccup maps are closed source.
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I think Blizzard did mention that they are considering custom ladder support sometime in the future, possibly for HoTS or LotV or later.
Until then, I guess the only alternatives are these work-arounds or cryogenically freezing yourself for ten years.
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I think this would be a great idea, I hope Iccup picks this up and does something with it.
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I'm not sure this would be again the terms of use.
It's just basically using banks like any other map does, except that a third party programs sends them to a separate server, but, unlike a hack or whatever, this program has no interaction with the game itself, only with the SC2 bank files.
And I'm not sure Blizzard would mind anyone manipulating banks.
According to its charts, Blizzard seems to define hacks (ie. bannable third party software) as software that either
- Grants you access to information that is not available.
- Changes a particular in-game mechanic.
- That interacts with the game's files.
- That alters or manipulates data that is being transmitted between the client and the server.
Whether bank files are deemed game files or not is indeed a question. Though, I assume they wouldn't be considered as such, or replays and w/e would do so too.
At least, that's how I understood it.
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with the upcoming chat channels will it be possible to connect to the channels using a client other than starcraft (one that would allow a bot to be scripted)?
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Interesting work around. Id give it a try if someone could get it to work. Id definitely be for it if the iccup guys were able to figure it out and get their maps on it.
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On January 04 2011 05:47 dementrio wrote:
with the upcoming chat channels will it be possible to connect to the channels using a client other than starcraft (one that would allow a bot to be scripted)?
what does that have to do with a custom ladder?
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I think you'd be more successful trying to get iccup maps on the ladder
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On January 04 2011 06:00 Playguuu wrote:
I think you'd be more successful trying to get iccup maps on the ladder
this, plz use iccup maps
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On January 04 2011 06:00 Playguuu wrote:
I think you'd be more successful trying to get iccup maps on the ladder
Blizz official stance is they dont care about maps, and would prefer the community deal with it. Evidence: stale map pool since release, with maps with obvious positional advantages and some which are just straight up imbalanced. If Blizzard isnt going to do simple things like fix crap station, how can they be expected to keep a map pool fresh, balanced, and worthy of competitive play?
I think some sort of solution like this will at least work as a testing facility for maps: if lots of people start to use a ladder such as this with good maps, blizz will have more incentive to import fresh maps in order to attract people back to their ladder.
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If someone can prove to me that Blizzard is fine with this sort of thing, I am willing to consider it.
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Yeah, you should probably contact iccup and present your idea to them, to get an iccup map ladder, and then contact blizzard and ask them if your ladder method is ok by their terms.
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Blizzard will never ever allow this before 2020.
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On January 04 2011 06:08 prodiG wrote:
If someone can prove to me that Blizzard is fine with this sort of thing, I am willing to consider it.
see, prodiG, that's where i'd love to come in and show you a full transcript of blizzard's words, but i just don't have that...
i know that it seems oh see legit, but at the same time oh so sketchy.
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