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Creating a Customladder similar to BW ICCup - Page 4

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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
January 03 2011 22:15 GMT
#61
wouldn't this kind of mess up their statistics and such? since the ladder itself helps them alot balance-wise.
SlyinZ
Profile Joined August 2010
France199 Posts
January 03 2011 22:15 GMT
#62
This can be awesome.
Since blizzard dont want to make a decent map pool ( lol steppes of war , hey ,we delete shakuras, we dont want macro games !!!11), do one by yourself.
Anyway this dont modify the game itself so i think its legal, but ask blizzard to see watsup
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
January 03 2011 22:19 GMT
#63
Blizzard will never allow this.
There is not a lot more to say about this subject.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 22:21:08
January 03 2011 22:20 GMT
#64
On January 04 2011 07:19 Roggay wrote:
Blizzard will never allow this.
There is not a lot more to say about this subject.

Seems like a lot of people are saying this without any evidence. Subject is not ended until someone actually, you know, talks to someone at Blizzard. They're staffed by humans, you know.
MuseX
Profile Joined January 2011
United States20 Posts
January 03 2011 22:23 GMT
#65
we could go behind their back?
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
January 03 2011 22:24 GMT
#66
basically want something similar to this for my SC2BW maps

look forward to seeing how it goes
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Fusionbomb
Profile Joined April 2010
United States25 Posts
January 03 2011 22:28 GMT
#67
How would this system account for such a varried skill level? IMO matchmaking would be terrible with this system. The skill gap in "d" was way too wide on iccup. I would rather play on blizzards maps than get rolled/ roll my opponent every game. The competitive play blizzards mmr system gives outweighs any map balance qq IMO.
For Aiur!
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 22:30 GMT
#68
On January 04 2011 07:28 Fusionbomb wrote:
How would this system account for such a varried skill level? IMO matchmaking would be terrible with this system. The skill gap in "d" was way too wide on iccup. I would rather play on blizzards maps than get rolled/ roll my opponent every game. The competitive play blizzards mmr system gives outweighs any map balance qq IMO.



are you serious? it would compare your ELO (or whatever rating system the server hosts want to use) to your opponent, and adds or subtracts based on a win/loss.

the higher or lower the points are dependant on your rating comparison
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 22:39:14
January 03 2011 22:37 GMT
#69
as for the legallity of this software. it doesn't actually modify or hook into SC2 process? if so it's fine.
if it doesn't actually modify the sc2banks file and only reads from it. it's probably fine.

frankly im hoping this is legal because im in desperate need of something like this.

a good way of incorporating this may be something similar to an external chat client based on mIRC.
you would organise matches there and then go in game play them. client would then read the results after the game is over. this way nothing hooks into sc2.
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holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
January 03 2011 22:47 GMT
#70
On January 04 2011 07:20 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:19 Roggay wrote:
Blizzard will never allow this.
There is not a lot more to say about this subject.

Seems like a lot of people are saying this without any evidence. Subject is not ended until someone actually, you know, talks to someone at Blizzard. They're staffed by humans, you know.


Use your common sense. Sure Blizzard doesn't sell any less copies of SC2, but they lose popularity on their ladder, something they will not let happen.
gfever
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 22:50:22
January 03 2011 22:48 GMT
#71
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.

therefore anyone with enough time on their hands will be able to crack the bank and edit it so that they win all the time
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
January 03 2011 22:49 GMT
#72
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.
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tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
January 03 2011 22:50 GMT
#73
Blizzard is going to do legal jujitsu and never give LAN support to anybody. Nice job...
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 22:51 GMT
#74
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


idk man, reading is tough, lolol
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gfever
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States180 Posts
January 03 2011 22:51 GMT
#75
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


even with hash files to protect it just delays it but it still able to crack
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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 22:52 GMT
#76
On January 04 2011 07:51 gfever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


even with hash files to protect it just delays it but it still able to crack


technically anything is crackable if created by humans....
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 22:57:13
January 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#77
On January 04 2011 07:51 gfever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


even with hash files to protect it just delays it but it still able to crack


briefly looking at starcode it seems to be able to add integers into a string and encrypt them.
isn't that what you said was needed?
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gfever
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States180 Posts
January 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#78
On January 04 2011 07:52 Keitzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:51 gfever wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


even with hash files to protect it just delays it but it still able to crack


technically anything is crackable if created by humans....


the editor doesn't give us enough tools to create a program to protect the banks well enough, i am talking about a normal person can crack this, thats how easy it is
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 22:54:25
January 03 2011 22:53 GMT
#79
On January 04 2011 07:47 holynorth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:20 Redmark wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:19 Roggay wrote:
Blizzard will never allow this.
There is not a lot more to say about this subject.

Seems like a lot of people are saying this without any evidence. Subject is not ended until someone actually, you know, talks to someone at Blizzard. They're staffed by humans, you know.


Use your common sense. Sure Blizzard doesn't sell any less copies of SC2, but they lose popularity on their ladder, something they will not let happen.


Huh, why would they care. They have already basically stated that tournaments and players should sort out their own maps. That's the same as saying "don't use ladder for anything other than lolz".
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 03 2011 22:54 GMT
#80
On January 04 2011 07:53 MavercK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2011 07:52 Keitzer wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:51 gfever wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:49 MavercK wrote:
On January 04 2011 07:48 gfever wrote:
only problem with using banks to save stats is that anyone can edit it so you have to make an algorthrim to encrypt it but it has to be a dam good algorthrim cuz this would need to be released to the public. But from experience with the editor thats isn't possible to create a good one.


...

maybe if you read the OPs post.


even with hash files to protect it just delays it but it still able to crack


technically anything is crackable if created by humans....


briefly looking at starcode it seems to be able to add integers into a string and encrypt them.
isn't that what you said was needed?


i said nothing of the sort, however it may be damn good...

but why are we even discussing that, which may only be a minor issue if we actually are allowed to do it... lol
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