EPTAt least that's what I've come to realize is important when trying to be good at anything.
And I know I'm far from being a progamer, just my personal advice, take it or leave it..
In all seriousness... How do you become a progamer - Page 4
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GeneticToss
Canada188 Posts
At least that's what I've come to realize is important when trying to be good at anything. And I know I'm far from being a progamer, just my personal advice, take it or leave it.. | ||
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j4ck3d
93 Posts
On January 03 2011 13:56 Lennon wrote: You don't have to be somewhere to know how to get there. qft | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Let me put it this way: I love violin. I once thought about trying to make a living out of it and what did I have to do? Practice. By that I don't mean just playing beautiful songs like Mozart and Sibelius' concertos, but by spending hours playing the most basic of basics. Stuff like scales and etudes and shit that makes me want to sleep. Still, with all that practice, I'd say I've gotten pretty damn good. Am I going to go for music as my career though? Hell no. I don't have the time for it and I don't like my chances in the music business. In career fields like sports, music, acting, and esports, very very few people make it. The ones that do are need luck, talent, perseverance, and time. If you have those four things, go for it, but prepare for a long hard road. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
You don't need any outside help, practicing anything specific, you just need to play play play, adapt every game, be intelligent enough to realize where you need to improve and just KEEP PLAYING, keep playing until you can see no mistakes in your play (it's impossible but you try and get as little as possible). If you're good enough you'll stand out simply from mass-laddering. If you're not good enough then maybe you just aren't good enough and wasting time spending money on coaching (complete joke imo taking money from stupid people who will never compete seriously) isn't going to help you. All the known foreigners you know about didn't use any gimmicks or shortcuts to get better at BW originally, they just played a lot of games and it became apparent they were better. And from there you get into clans enter tournaments etc. Having good practice partners is always nice but they won't be there to play you all the time plus it's better to play a variety of players, exposing you to every strategy possible. This is just an opinion but personally if i think the APM and keyboard usage of groups/hotkeys comes naturally and easily to you and you can get to the 200 and above level then you can probably progress further, but if you can't it'll be hard to force it - just my opinion but i think that's the level you have to be at. Some people say APM doesn't matter but there's a minimum required to compete. I hear stories of people a lot less than that getting higher in the ladder these days but i question in what manner they they are reaching that level and if they are well-rounded players capable of lategames with such low APMs. At the end of the day some people just happen to be better at this than others and will learn much quicker, and most of us won't be and will hit a 'wall' in our play. Personally it's my APM. It's too low to multitask enough and i don't think even with mass gaming i'd be able to do much better without seriously playing like its a job. If you reach a point like that you have to ask yourself is it worth forcing yourself further. In contrast i have a friend who's top 100 USA somewhere, that mechanics and the game seem to come naturally to him and he doesn't even particularly play much and was only C in BW. Could probably compete if he put the effort into it more. Maybe you're that guy instead of me. Go play more and find out. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On January 03 2011 14:30 Ryuu314 wrote: Listen to Idra, Morrow, Tyler, and all those other pros giving you advice. Insanious' post touched on it pretty well too I think. If you're really serious about it, you simply need to put in the time to practice. When I say practice, I don't mean just laddering, but also practicing bare fundamentals like simple build orders and micro tricks. For pros, ladder means nothing. It does not help you in any way other than allowing you to play opponents that would likely be at your level. Let me put it this way: I love violin. I once thought about trying to make a living out of it and what did I have to do? Practice. By that I don't mean just playing beautiful songs like Mozart and Sibelius' concertos, but by spending hours playing the most basic of basics. Stuff like scales and etudes and shit that makes me want to sleep. Still, with all that practice, I'd say I've gotten pretty damn good. Am I going to go for music as my career though? Hell no. I don't have the time for it and I don't like my chances in the music business. In career fields like sports, music, acting, and esports, very very few people make it. The ones that do are need luck, talent, perseverance, and time. If you have those four things, go for it, but prepare for a long hard road. Sorry but i completely disagree you need to practice in any other way than laddering at least to begin with, before you are actually practicing someone specific for a tournament or whatever. Mass gaming is what the pro's do, and the ladder is where someone wanting to be pro is going to have to do it Even pro's mass ladder sometimes instead of simply inhouse practice. Micro tricks and situations will be practiced during this time so why the need to separate it? It's the best way you're gonna face a wide variety of strategies and styles and prepare yourself for anything. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 03 2011 14:35 infinity2k9 wrote: Sorry but i completely disagree you need to practice in any other way than laddering at least to begin with, before you are actually practicing someone specific for a tournament or whatever. Mass gaming is what the pro's do, and the ladder is where someone wanting to be pro is going to have to do it Even pro's mass ladder sometimes instead of simply inhouse practice. Micro tricks and situations will be practiced during this time so why the need to separate it? It's the best way you're gonna face a wide variety of strategies and styles and prepare yourself for anything. I probably didn't word it as well as I could have, but I agree that laddering is good practice in that it allows you to prepare for a wide variety of things. However, if OP wants to become pro, simply practicing on ladder and mass gaming isn't enough. You also have to practice specific scenarios and specific parts of the game. For example, in the GSL, there are plenty of players who only really shine in the early game and completely fail when it comes to late game. For them, mass laddering may not really help anymore simply because all it does is reinforce what they're already good at. The best players in the GSL are good at every aspect of the game. That's what anyone wanting to become pro should aspire to. Being able to play all aspects of the game well is necessary for one to become pro and to practice that requires more than just mass ladder gaming. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
The reality is...It is going to be a shitload of work. But I won't let that stop me. I think the biggest thing of all is learning from your mistakes, and CORRECTING them as soon as possible. Practice does not mean anything if you are practicing wrong. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Even then, I mean really if you ladder hard enough you could even enter tournaments without specific practice and just make your all-around game solid enough that you are confident against anything. That would be a good position to get yourself into where you can enter a low level tournament and have enough games played that you've experienced enough situations to get you through it. If i use the Kolll example again i'm pretty sure while he was in a clan his practice was still mainly ICCUP laddering, and he got 4th of WCG just based from that. The race he played may have helped, Zerg (because he could dictate the direction of the games into the way he wanted with aggressive 2hatch muta builds that he was especially good at etc.) but i think the example still stands. You can win these small tournaments solely from laddering for sure. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 03 2011 13:25 gamerkhang wrote: Yes it does. :D @ IdrA (you probably really are IdrA... right?) I didn't actually expect to get answers from pros, at this point, I guess I'm just looking for PvT/PvZ practice partners or practice partners in general, and a team that's free to join. Thanks for the motivation guys! Keep in mind that mass laddering is also a way to find practice partners (by just adding them to fl after a good game) Also you say TL practice partner thread is just some meaningless list but if you have no good PPs yet then just add 30 people at once, I have 0 doubt you will find good partners out of those 30 people. | ||
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piskooooo
United States351 Posts
There's literally nothing else you can do. Sponsors don't want someone who can't win a tourney. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On January 03 2011 13:03 gamerkhang wrote: I would practice a lot if practicing on ladder didn't have a consequence, as I've said a lot already. :/ Get practice partners to work out your kinks in your play. Should be a lot easier to find practice partners next patch. | ||
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XDJuicebox
United States593 Posts
I'm in Southern, right next to LA, around where Day[9] lives, I'm actually planning on attending the college that he works at lol Speaking of Day[9], definitely watch the Day[9] Daily, you'll learn soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much. I learned a lot just by watching 1. If you improve one thing every single day, and it sticks, a year will have gone by and you'll be 365x better. That's how I think of it. Btw, I'm still ranked pretty slow, but if you ever wanna PvT just add XDJuicebox.210 I'm actually thinking about getting all of the people in my area (my school particularly) and like making a collection of nerds, and teach them everything I know, and then we use each other for the practice partners. EDIT: Notice how I said nothing about being a progamer | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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Kittenlisk
Australia34 Posts
Go join a bunch of the small online tourneys or any local in your area and win them. Lots of big tourneys also hold qualifiers for spots, so go to them and try it out. Get your feet wet before deciding to dedicate your life to it. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 03 2011 11:46 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Everyone became good enough to go pro while doing school full time, just like sports. The only major difference is that you're kinda on your own. Like you say, there are no local teams and no free coaching. END OF THREAD. IM PRETTY SURE YOU CAN FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT WITH SOME SIMPLE REASONING. IM TYPING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IN ALL SERIOUSNESS NEVER MAKE THREADS LIKE THIS PLEASE THANKS. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
You fail and fail and fail some more until you actually become good enough that you hopefully reap some rewards? | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
On January 03 2011 11:50 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Well you can play as much as possible while you're in high school, while also building a good resume to apply for colleges, and in the spring of your senior year you can decide if you want to go to college and quit progaming, or not go to college and pursue progaming, or go to college and continue to work at progaming in your spare time. I see it now: Parent upset over Childs decision to give up life and play video games, is "pro gamer" nony to blame!? | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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compscidude
176 Posts
Sure being a progamer could be a very rewarding profession, but we cant neglect the fact that there is a age limit in which you have to stop gaming. Competing in progaming scene when your 50 years old, just wont cut it. So, think of it as a side job. You should seek to find a profession that would reward you in the long run. Not just 5 ~ 10 years. Hope you make a great choice. | ||
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Thallis
United States314 Posts
Practice on the ladder with the intention of becoming a professional level player, then go from there. So far you've given excuses as to why you can't do this can't do that, but if you're serious about it, you have to do the things these pros are telling you. For the record, 2300 is bonus pool level. As in, 3 or 4 major skill levels away from the pros on the ladder. In terms of skill, you are too far away to not do these things IdrA, Morrow, and Tyler are telling you. | ||
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. Dedication baby. dedication. 
