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blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
January 03 2011 03:03 GMT
#21
There are 24 hours in a day. Most people think that is barely anything but hardly anyone actually spends their time efficiently.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
January 03 2011 03:04 GMT
#22
win tournaments, go to sc2 tourny section, theres heaps and heaps, get known, join a league clan play in leagues etc make a name for yourself. get high on ladder beat some good players. these kinda things will help you get recognised.

i would also suggest going to MLG. if you do well there you wil lget a lot of recognition.

also OP is a fucking baller, Greg and Tyler replying on first page xD
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gamerkhang
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
January 03 2011 03:15 GMT
#23
So..... let me throw some questions out here, since there are some great answers.
One, are there any good pro gaming teams that I can join for free around California?
Two, I'm a protoss player (played random for 500 games, then realized that I'm best as protoss) and here's where I stand with my startup builds
PvP 1gaterobo into 3gate robo, early push with a stalker immortal and zealot unless I see sentries, which is happening more and more often, and go into colossi wars status.
PvZ Usually 1gate2stargate because 4gate never cuts it, void rays to kill roaches and zealot legs to kill hydras... but usually you have to go into 2base 6gate, right? Could use some help here.
PvT How the hell? My first instinct is DT rush, but I'm not sure how to play this well at all. Do stargates help here? Vikings and marines slap them. Do robo's help? Immortals get slapped by marines. But really, my main weakness here is how to beat the 2port banshee. I've read a lot of guides, but it still is really hard for me.

Can someone help me out and practice these sorts of matchups with me?
You don't need a counter-strategy, just a completely whoopass one.
Philo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States337 Posts
January 03 2011 03:15 GMT
#24
Push yourself to play as much as you can whether you enjoy all that extra practice or not. When your a pro at something you spend time on it because you want to be the best and get what comes with it. You have to make it hold your attention. This E-sports thing is only going to get bigger and there's a place in it for someone like you if you can push yourself to work for it consistently.
Other people do 24 hour streams. I just let GoOdy play a Bo11 TvT. - Special Endrey
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
January 03 2011 03:33 GMT
#25
Gamerkhang, you are obviously misunderstanding the term "pro"

A "pro" player is a someone that is contracted in a more or less business arrangement to support and show off sponsors by competing

What you are looking for is an amateur team/clan

Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
January 03 2011 03:37 GMT
#26
really a lot of misinformation in here by the non progamers. i know a lot of people take the defeatist attitude that they just cant do it and the progamers are just superbeings, but they are not, they are regular joes just like you and me, the thing that seperates them from the rest is their drive and dedication. anyone could be a progamer, but not everyone has the drive nor dedication to do so. but dont keep thinking you cant do it cause you certainly could. the reason they do so well is they have dedicated so much time to figuring every little in and out of this game and thats only something you can get from practice. they started out as noobs just like everyone else.
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gamerkhang
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
January 03 2011 03:38 GMT
#27
On January 03 2011 12:33 ktimekiller wrote:
Gamerkhang, you are obviously misunderstanding the term "pro"

A "pro" player is a someone that is contracted in a more or less business arrangement to support and show off sponsors by competing

What you are looking for is an amateur team/clan



Amateur, but not in the gold sense. :/
You don't need a counter-strategy, just a completely whoopass one.
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 03:43:26
January 03 2011 03:41 GMT
#28
Amateur is anything that isn't under a payroll

vVv is an amateur, inflow is an amateur, tG is an amateur (as far as I know).

Because I said amateur, I did not mean shit. Any team/clan that is not under a consistent/serious payroll is an amateur and not at a pro level.

Even ROOT is amateur (though I have no proof, if anyone could clarify if they actually have any serious sponsors now). While they have great players that are very good, as far as I know, they are not under a serious sponsor with a serious payroll.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 03:48:17
January 03 2011 03:48 GMT
#29
Here's how I plan to go pro:
1) Spam ladder for 3 hours a day until I reach 3000 points.
2) Search for a semi-pro team.
3) Play for the team in team leagues. Get noticed.
4) Play solo tournaments when I feel I can reach the quarter finals. Get more noticed.
5) At this point I should be comfortably in the semi-pro category.

I'm still on step 1 but this is my plan. Going fully pro? It's not going to happen since I want to continue my education.
Leviwtf
Profile Joined October 2010
174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 03:50:46
January 03 2011 03:49 GMT
#30
Search on the internet about "deliberate practice" there are many good books on the subject and it is a special technique specifically used for improving performance in anything. Many of the books also discuss the subject of talent and have found there really is no such thing. What they do find is that the skill of a person directly depends on how much deliberate practice they have done over the years.

Many people play computer games obscene amounts, simply spamming games will make you better, but only up until a certain point, what you need to get over that hump is deliberate practice and here are the three basic concepts of it.

1.) Setting goals

2.) Immediate feedback

3.) Focusing on technique rather than outcome

I'll let you research what these three mean and how they apply to SC2.

And to directly honest your question on how to become a pro gamer, its easy, just get really good at SC2, win tournaments, and get noticed. The hard part is the getting better part.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
January 03 2011 03:52 GMT
#31
dedicate 6-10 hours a day. The most important thing is to is not go and just grind for 10 hours on the ladder, thats not how you get good. Nony is my prime example. He will practice builds against computers.

On the ladder, play to get better. Not to win. I practiced QXC's drop play for about 60 straight games, didn't matter the race or the positions. IdrA does this too, he will practice a build till hes got it down and then move on to something else.

I personally like making a trial account and practicing micro mechanics. Taking the edge off losing a ladder game really helps me improve.

Also if you are serious. Buy some coaching. I've bought 2 lessons from incontroL just to study the replays and see the difference in skill and what it is.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
gamerkhang
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
January 03 2011 04:02 GMT
#32
On January 03 2011 12:52 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
dedicate 6-10 hours a day. The most important thing is to is not go and just grind for 10 hours on the ladder, thats not how you get good. Nony is my prime example. He will practice builds against computers.

On the ladder, play to get better. Not to win. I practiced QXC's drop play for about 60 straight games, didn't matter the race or the positions. IdrA does this too, he will practice a build till hes got it down and then move on to something else.

I personally like making a trial account and practicing micro mechanics. Taking the edge off losing a ladder game really helps me improve.

Also if you are serious. Buy some coaching. I've bought 2 lessons from incontroL just to study the replays and see the difference in skill and what it is.

Well the problem with that is I don't have $60 to make a scapegoat account and if I practice on ladder, I might go down a long ways- taking me further away from my dream rather than closer.
I'm not really sure if computers are good or not, but obviously I can't beat insane yet because it has resource hacks. >:[ I'm not joking.
Which leads me back to my point, CAN SOMEONE PRACTICE WITH ME? 2300 PROTOSS LOOKING FOR PvT/PvZ practice.
The practice partner thread here is just a long list of names that doesn't actually get any attention from what I see, as is the same for many large sites. :/
You don't need a counter-strategy, just a completely whoopass one.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 04:04:54
January 03 2011 04:02 GMT
#33
just spend time with the game and massgame and you will take the natural course of learning. u will learn everything thats needed.
everything can be selflearned. u dont need classes or coaches for everything, just put your time and effort to something and u will most likely succeed becoming a "progamer"

just do whatever u believe in is right and it probably fits best for you. im sure majority of ppl who achieve their goals go about it this way
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 04:04:37
January 03 2011 04:03 GMT
#34
Play the game.

It doesn't happen overnight, but every moment spent thinking about the various ways you could become a progamer is time not spent playing the game.

Other people are giving more detailed instructions about goalsetting and whatnot, but I think actually playing the game is important enough to be emphasized, because even though it's the most obvious step, barely anybody does it.

(also I feel silly giving this advice, since I'm not a progamer at all. The only reason I'm confident in saying this is because I can tell you from experience how exactly NOT to become a progamer, and that's not playing the game.)
gamerkhang
Profile Joined July 2010
United States152 Posts
January 03 2011 04:03 GMT
#35
On January 03 2011 13:02 MorroW wrote:
just spend time with the game and massgame and you will take the natural course of learning. u will learn everything thats needed.
everything can be selflearned. u dont need classes or coaches for everything, just put your time and effort to something and u will most likely succeed becoming a "progamer"

I would practice a lot if practicing on ladder didn't have a consequence, as I've said a lot already. :/
You don't need a counter-strategy, just a completely whoopass one.
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
January 03 2011 04:04 GMT
#36
Don't even compare to NBA... SC2 is much easier...
you can be a sc2 progamer even if you are not talented. all you need is passion.. and maybe time..

You know what I'm talking about
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
January 03 2011 04:05 GMT
#37
Time managment & dedication.

Get rid of all your "filler" things you do all day long and spent your time actually doing stuff.
"I just read TL for 5mins and then I'll start to do X". 60mins later you still read TL. Bad.
"I just watch TV/ a stream for 15mins before X". 60mins later you still do it. Bad.

If you're not motivated to do X right now - say "I will do X in 3hours/tomorrow" and then do it. It's a waste of time, if you just keep not doing it while doing uninteresting stuff in the mean time.
Say:
"I will do <fun activity Y> for 3hours then do X." Good.

As someone already mentioned:
24 hours is a lot of time
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
January 03 2011 04:05 GMT
#38
On January 03 2011 12:48 Lennon wrote:
Here's how I plan to go pro:
1) Spam ladder for 3 hours a day until I reach 3000 points.
2) Search for a semi-pro team.
3) Play for the team in team leagues. Get noticed.
4) Play solo tournaments when I feel I can reach the quarter finals. Get more noticed.
5) At this point I should be comfortably in the semi-pro category.

I'm still on step 1 but this is my plan. Going fully pro? It's not going to happen since I want to continue my education.

You should be playing in as many tourneys as possible
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-03 04:11:53
January 03 2011 04:06 GMT
#39
On January 03 2011 13:03 gamerkhang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 13:02 MorroW wrote:
just spend time with the game and massgame and you will take the natural course of learning. u will learn everything thats needed.
everything can be selflearned. u dont need classes or coaches for everything, just put your time and effort to something and u will most likely succeed becoming a "progamer"

I would practice a lot if practicing on ladder didn't have a consequence, as I've said a lot already. :/

well if u dont have time for it then you cant become a pro. its not an easy task and time is the most important part to have in any project

i dont quite understand what ur question is to be honest. do u want to know how one does the label progamer or get the skilllevel of a progamer
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 03 2011 04:14 GMT
#40
On January 03 2011 13:02 gamerkhang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2011 12:52 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
dedicate 6-10 hours a day. The most important thing is to is not go and just grind for 10 hours on the ladder, thats not how you get good. Nony is my prime example. He will practice builds against computers.

On the ladder, play to get better. Not to win. I practiced QXC's drop play for about 60 straight games, didn't matter the race or the positions. IdrA does this too, he will practice a build till hes got it down and then move on to something else.

I personally like making a trial account and practicing micro mechanics. Taking the edge off losing a ladder game really helps me improve.

Also if you are serious. Buy some coaching. I've bought 2 lessons from incontroL just to study the replays and see the difference in skill and what it is.

Well the problem with that is I don't have $60 to make a scapegoat account and if I practice on ladder, I might go down a long ways- taking me further away from my dream rather than closer.
I'm not really sure if computers are good or not, but obviously I can't beat insane yet because it has resource hacks. >:[ I'm not joking.
Which leads me back to my point, CAN SOMEONE PRACTICE WITH ME? 2300 PROTOSS LOOKING FOR PvT/PvZ practice.
The practice partner thread here is just a long list of names that doesn't actually get any attention from what I see, as is the same for many large sites. :/

being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal
avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. if you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
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