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Only big changes are the SCV targeting AI and phoenix build time. And again, only if these strats are used. They aren't very popular in the GSL at the moment.
Observer cost decrease isn't a big deal. If your margin of victory is defined by 25 gas, then shit. I guess I'm wrong.
Hallucination, is pretty key it allows you to scout the build of the opponent to decide if you need detectors or not. Faster pheonixs achieve the same thing, allow nice transition into void ray builds. also the scv repair nerf kills some terran strats, also the immortal terran fortress and thor rush.
Thanks for the post, Adun
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I'm going to have to disagree entirely with the TL crew here. If Blizzard wants to push a patch on Thursday, it is absolutely acceptable. They have provided a PTR for pros and everyone else to practice on so that it would not be an issue. Here's the way I see it: If you're really hardcore or pro about sc2 then you will have already practiced on the PTR. If you haven't then you're not really preparing for the future very well.
I hope you aren't serious. You are american and have access to the PTR. The rest of the world can't play/pratice on 1.2...
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On December 15 2010 19:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:18 Tyree wrote:On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho. This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense. Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do. I support this point of view. The majority of people will definitely moan about whatever choice Blizzard takes. If Blizzard considers this Patch to be more balanced than the previous there should actually be no reason not to patch now. Now whether the patch actually IS more balanced is another story. And of course the timing is rather bad but then again GOM decided to wait a ridiculous amount of time before starting of the finals. Edit: And yeah Shockks point is true as well. Sorry hyper-competitive SC2 scene but it's still a gaming company with customers. Take a guess how many of those SC2 customers care about GSL? A rather low percentage. So that's another factor.
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. We have been complaining about chat channels, balance and all that jazz for months. When the hell did Blizzard even listen to us? And what the hell does it mean that SC2 @ GSL is too small? These guys PAY to see SC2. Don't they matter more than us freeloaders? And since when is it that small? Do you know how many pay for that crappy premium GOM stream for the GSL?
And let's say they cared. Let's say they really were worried about angry trolls on forums, shouldn't pay more attention to something which has actual money on the line like $130,000 worth rather than a bunch of angry gamers? What, are they gonna say GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK!
Really. They need to delay balance patches. Something that could cost someone nearly 80,000 matters a whole lot more than forum flame wars.
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why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly
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On December 15 2010 23:50 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 23:45 Tump wrote:
It's not like this balance patch is that huge or anything. Had it been something that changed entire openings like the Terran nerfs, it would be different.
10 seconds off Phoenix and 20% Void Ray damage to Massive is gonna barely hurt anything. It's not like you have to relearn the matchup. The real problem is the when they do stuff like this things like FD ultralisk bugging his way to the finals (Not that he didn't deserve it but still)
Yeah, you're right.
Internal testing can't always catch all these intricate bugs. Hopefully PTR did.
Ah well, that's Blizzard for you.
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I think the phoenix/ultra glitch is one of the things that led them to doing a PTR in the first place. It's hard for a small select number of people to find random glitches.
PS, I don't see GOM releasing balancing changes a few days before this biggest tournament for their game ever without giving them a tournament server or something similar.
PSS, MC will win either way.
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why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly
I think rain is at the disadvantage as well, but not for the reason of the patch. MC is a beast, the match up is much like when goku first went ssj, the look on freezas face said it all. Rains going to have to rely on those cheesey disructo discs to win him this one. In the end it will probably hurt more than help. Rains a good player, im not knocking him, but MC is a beast. Look at the match with jinro. 4-0 is a pretty embarrassing margin. those are my predictions anyway. The patch wount be to impacting, if anything it will make the QQing more justified. Should be a good match though.
Cant wait for your thoughts on this, Adun.
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Need I remind you all that Blizzard ignored MLG DC when it came to major patches, too. The patch that came during that one was the one that increased roach range, forced depots before barracks, requiring factory for reaper speed, and some more minor (by comparison) changes that shook things up quite a bit. That, and this patch wasn't tested by a PTR.
Of course, GSL is bigger and more prestigious than MLG in the current scene, but lets not pretend it's an evil (necessary or otherwise) players haven't had to deal with.
Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard either delays it for a few days or enables GSL to play un-patched for the finals.
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I can already see the hordes of angry nerds posting "Why am I not Master's League?? I was XXXX point Diamond before the patch." I already see hordes of angry nerds posting.
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Delay the patch? Delay until when? Next year? February? Thats a long time... it's either now or a month in the future. Which is ridiculous if you ask me. I think Blizzard has conformed to GSL schedule in the past. They have never patched in the middle of the league, and they're trying to squeeze it in. The balance patch is fairly minimal so I wouldn't worry too much.
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On December 16 2010 03:14 Lokian wrote:
Delay the patch? Delay until when? Next year? February? Thats a long time... it's either now or a month in the future. Which is ridiculous if you ask me. I think Blizzard has conformed to GSL schedule in the past. They have never patched in the middle of the league, and they're trying to squeeze it in. The balance patch is fairly minimal so I wouldn't worry too much.
they could patch on Tuesday.
they have patched in the middle of a GSL season.
and even if there isn't a huge balance problem with the patch notes themselves, it leaves no time for Blizzard to catch and fix unforeseen bugs (such as the phoenix bug from last patch) that might affect the outcome of the finals.
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A Balance change is supposed to change things in a way the game comes out to be more balanced what means the game provides even more same chances for a win for all races right?
is the next patch providing new hudge imbalances so the tournament will be affected?
Also there is no official statement regarding the releasedate of a patch. I think if the patch comes or not wont change the Tournament outcome. I Doubt to see Phoenix or Thor with SCV repair on the field.
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On December 15 2010 19:16 sleepingdog wrote:
The SCV-change means the marine/thor-all-in is hugely nerfed and basicly not viable anymore, because it can be countered by standard-play. Even if Rain didn't plan on doing it
LOL
that's fucking funny, you've seen some (any?) of his games right?
It's a bad time for a patch, but it'll have absolutely no bearing on the outcome. MC is gonna roll this kid whether or not hallucination research is 30s faster.
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I don't really see a problem. MC will benefit from that patch, only Rain could be upset depending on the builds he had planned.
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On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid_Adun wrote:Show nested quote +why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly I think rain is at the disadvantage as well, but not for the reason of the patch. MC is a beast, the match up is much like when goku first went ssj, the look on freezas face said it all. Rains going to have to rely on those cheesey disructo discs to win him this one. In the end it will probably hurt more than help. Rains a good player, im not knocking him, but MC is a beast. Look at the match with jinro. 4-0 is a pretty embarrassing margin. those are my predictions anyway. The patch wount be to impacting, if anything it will make the QQing more justified. Should be a good match though. Cant wait for your thoughts on this, Adun.
DBZ Reference!
SSJ is definitely imba.
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I don't understand the ragers in this thread who complain Blizzard shouldn't release a patch before a major tournament final. Are the finalists of that tournament worth more then the rest of the people who've bought SC2? There are a lot of players in here who don't care that much for the ESports side of the game, and just enjoy the game for what it is. So it would be unfair to those players to choose 'esports-gamers' over 'casual-gamers'.
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On December 16 2010 03:56 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't understand the ragers in this thread who complain Blizzard shouldn't release a patch before a major tournament final. Are the finalists of that tournament worth more then the rest of the people who've bought SC2? There are a lot of players in here who don't care that much for the ESports side of the game, and just enjoy the game for what it is. So it would be unfair to those players to choose 'esports-gamers' over 'casual-gamers'.
Are you kidding?
There is absolutely no reason that blizzard shouldn't plan patches to avoid fucking up the biggest starcraft tournament in the world. Nobody gives a shit if the patch comes a few days late.
Most of the people that don't care about GSL probably don't care if a relatively minor patch comes out a few days sooner or not either.
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On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. 2 Pages ago... can you people just read what's already said? there is _NO_ balance patch on thursday.
of course, mc works at blizzard right? he definately would know when the patch would come out.
i was being sarcastic by the way.
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On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. i was being sarcastic by the way.
Sure, cause speculation by any progamer is considered TRUTH. (also, key word on THINKS.)
no, really. don't get into that.
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Why wouldn't they want a balance patch with just minor changes like these? If they can't adapt to a new patch with changes they already know about, they shouldn't be in gsl. I guess this is why most are known as robots.
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