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I am not sure if its alright to start a thread with such little evidence.
However I think its a pretty big deal so take it for whatever its worth
On December 15 2010 18:08 JunkkaGom wrote:
Sorry, Blizzard announced that there will be patch on Thursday so we had to squeeze the schedule into one day.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176989¤tpage=24#470
On December 15 2010 18:19 JunkkaGom wrote:
Sadly it's true. Blizzard has their own plan and GSL is just one out of many tournament.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176989¤tpage=25#494
[Update]On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
That would make the most sense. So we might get chat channels maybe some Blizzard custom games tomorrow and the balance patch next week just around X-Mas holidays.
I hope thats the way they are going about it. We will see.
As I stated before take all this gossip with a grain of salt.
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Hmm is this it ? Or is this just the preparation for the new patch? We will see
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Really Blizzard ?. I mean REALLY ? You cant just release a balance patch 2 Days before your most important and prestigious 90K $ Tournament. You just cant.
Ps: Junkka is the translator who sits besides Artosis when they are doing the interviews.
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whos JunkkaGom?
link to thread?
honestly it wont really change much, being that PTR has been out ppl have probably tested builds already. not to mention MC will outclass Rain by a mile. wont have the slightest effect imo 
regardless, i sure as hell hope it comes this week!
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Well,, if you post the website from TL below that would be great
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JukkaGom is John from the GSL
This means we can trust him entirely.
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Lmao good ol' Blizzard... wow, just wow. There are even high-ranked Blizzard officials and company managers at GSL events... why on earth would they do that?????????????? Blizzard defies logical human reasoning sometimes I swear... never seen such smart people make such blunders so frequently.
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On December 15 2010 18:34 PhiliBiRD wrote:whos JunkkaGom? link to thread? honestly it wont really change much, being that PTR has been out ppl have probably tested builds already. not to mention MC will outclass Rain by a mile. wont have the slightest effect imo regardless, i sure as hell hope it comes this week!
Troll?
Or you haven't been into sc2 scene much which then I apologise for calling troll.
PTR is US only atm so most koreans won't be able to test anything unless they have an account.
This new patch is going to buff Protoss so badly in air LOL.
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What's the big deal? It's not like the patch removed marines.
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i play toss, and i'll only complain if MC uses a phoenix strat. then i don't like that they did this, but if he doesn't, then it doesn't change anything.
Observers are cheaper.
Repairing SCVs now have the same attack priority as the thing they're repairing.
Totally forgot about that. Pretty big deal. Although thor rushes are fucking gay.
Not for the change beforehand still.
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JunkkaGom is John the translator from Gom, he sometimes follows the LR threads and posts.
This was posted in the LR thread from Code A qualification Day 2.
Since Blizzard is close with Gom, we can assume that this is true, unfortunately.
@Philibird: PTR was only released on the US server, the Koreans know about it but they probably haven't had much of a chance to play on it
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If they don't release the patch this week then it won't come out this year. People are going on vacation.
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awesome can't wait for the patch to come out
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Its pretty dumb that Blizzard would do this, but it just means MC is gonna destroy Rain that much harder.
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yea patch nerfs terran and buffs protoss no big deal
wait a minute ....
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Will the patch come out thursday in Korea or in the United States? Hmm I can't believe they would do this, I mean, any tournament besides this one would be understandable but wow, This is pretty intense.
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Let us hope that Blizzard will patch every server but Korea.
@cocosoft: Its a big deal. Release a balance patch one day before the biggest final in SC2 is stupid.
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eh, hopefully they don't actually release their patch a day before gsl finals because otherwise some people are going to use that as an argument against MC when he stomps rain
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I doubt the patch really affecting the GSL finals very much.
Obviously ideally the game would have LAN and Blizzard could patch without interpreting tournaments, but since it doesn't I say release the patches ASAP after the changes have been tested and finalised as you normally would.
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Only if MC uses Phoenixes a lot :D
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On December 15 2010 18:43 -Archangel- wrote:
Only if MC uses Phoenixes a lot :D
Observers are cheaper.
Repairing SCVs now have the same attack priority as the thing they're repairing.
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Who knows, maybe Blizz will let them play on a nonpatched, LAN server ;D
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is this a joke? blizzard couldn't wait a couple of more days instead releasing a patch with balance changes for toss where the final of GSL has one of the players as toss?!
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They're seriously releasing this a DAY before the finals? Can't they just wait two days? =/
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Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever.
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Man, in the (extremely unlikely) event that Rain actually wins, there's going to be an explosion of community outrage.
It would be worth seeing just for that. =D
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On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever.
That won't happen. This is one of the reasons they made a Public TEST Server.
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On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever.
No one can be sure if even a slight balance will not effect the final. At pro level, a slight change is all its need to turn a battle in one's favor.
I believe that Blizzard is not retarded. They can just patch NA/SEA/EU and then patch KR after the final is done. No one will complaint about that.
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I'm pretty sure there were some guys thinking Blizzard wouldn't release a patch during a tournament and I stated that Blizzard does not care about that. WHen they think something is ready they will release it no matter what events are running LOL.
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On December 15 2010 18:52 Terr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever. That won't happen. This is one of the reasons they made a Public TEST Server.
I really hope it doesn't happen but when I played WoW, regardless of whether there was a public test realm or not, WoW server would always be down for 24 hours after a major patch was released. This is an entirely different game though so I doubt they'll have the same problems.
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On December 15 2010 18:56 Fiercegore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:52 Terr wrote:On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever. That won't happen. This is one of the reasons they made a Public TEST Server. I really hope it doesn't happen but when I played WoW, regardless of whether there was a public test realm or not, WoW server would always be down for 24 hours after a major patch was released. This is an entirely different game though so I doubt they'll have the same problems.
But isn't that normal? I mean, it's down just because they are patching it. Wow just has a lot of servers and patching every single one takes a lot more time.
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On December 15 2010 18:44 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:43 -Archangel- wrote:
Only if MC uses Phoenixes a lot :D Observers are cheaper. Repairing SCVs now have the same attack priority as the thing they're repairing.
Well the observers price change is not that much. Protoss losses to cloaked banshee when they do not have a robo at all. Never seen them lose because they lacked 25 gas.
As for attack priority, well terrans should learn to not depend on cheese all in tactics. 1 Thor + 20 scvs is such a stupid attack and should be eliminated ASAP.
Lets not forget they did a balance patch during GSL1 as well.
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i also think it must be pretty frustrating for the players in the finals to play with a new patch with this much money on the stake.
however i think it's GOM's own fault. why delay the final 2 weeks after the semis? blizzard releasing the patch before christmas is actually a good thing and understandable. next thursday would be 23rd and i don't think the blizzard employees want to fix possible bugs on christmas 
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On December 15 2010 18:46 Moonloop wrote:
They're seriously releasing this a DAY before the finals? Can't they just wait two days? =/
Two days before the finals
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Good job being fucking retarded blizzard.
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On December 15 2010 18:49 Talin wrote:
Man, in the (extremely unlikely) event that Rain actually wins, there's going to be an explosion of community outrage.
It would be worth seeing just for that. =D
You're confused, all the changes favour Protoss.
I hope MC goes 3 stargate Pheonix and makes more Pheonixes than Rain has marines.
Bit in all seriousness this won't make any difference at all.
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On December 15 2010 18:59 Terr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:56 Fiercegore wrote:On December 15 2010 18:52 Terr wrote:On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever. That won't happen. This is one of the reasons they made a Public TEST Server. I really hope it doesn't happen but when I played WoW, regardless of whether there was a public test realm or not, WoW server would always be down for 24 hours after a major patch was released. This is an entirely different game though so I doubt they'll have the same problems. But isn't that normal? I mean, it's down just because they are patching it. Wow just has a lot of servers and patching every single one takes a lot more time.
Well, kinda. They would bring the servers down for 6-8 hours ever Tuesday which was standard, and then when they were supposed to bring them back up they have a message saying "Maintenance is going to last 2 hours longer" or something generic like that, and then they just keep making the maintenance longer and longer especially when it was a large patch.
And yeah, you're right WoW did have a lot of servers that's why I'm hopeful that it'll be different with starcraft
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does blizzard normally release patches on thursdays?
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On December 15 2010 19:05 blizzind wrote:
does blizzard normally release patches on thursdays?
I always thought they patched on Tuesdays, since everyone patches on Tuesdays but they're kinda crazy with starcraft 2 I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_Tuesday
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This is pretty ridiculous. Wow. Just wow. If MC somehow loses because of this I will not be happy.
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No way. I refuse to believe they can be so dumb.
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On December 15 2010 19:04 Fiercegore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:59 Terr wrote:On December 15 2010 18:56 Fiercegore wrote:On December 15 2010 18:52 Terr wrote:On December 15 2010 18:47 CuirassEU wrote:
Im under the impression that the patch is not released because of the Gsl.
Im just in a worry that the servers might bug or something because of chatchannels or something and the tournament cant be finished because bnet is not running well.
I dont see balancechanges that affect PvT what so ever. That won't happen. This is one of the reasons they made a Public TEST Server. I really hope it doesn't happen but when I played WoW, regardless of whether there was a public test realm or not, WoW server would always be down for 24 hours after a major patch was released. This is an entirely different game though so I doubt they'll have the same problems. But isn't that normal? I mean, it's down just because they are patching it. Wow just has a lot of servers and patching every single one takes a lot more time. Well, kinda. They would bring the servers down for 6-8 hours ever Tuesday which was standard, and then when they were supposed to bring them back up they have a message saying "Maintenance is going to last 2 hours longer" or something generic like that, and then they just keep making the maintenance longer and longer especially when it was a large patch. And yeah, you're right WoW did have a lot of servers that's why I'm hopeful that it'll be different with starcraft
Well, the patch is on Thursday and the Finals are on Saturday. So even if it takes 24 hours, it'll be still ok.
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Wow seriously, can't even wait for 2 days?
Way to go blizz
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If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho.
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Blizzard releases a patch whenever they want.
I think it was during the first GSL when they released a patch...the patch which messed up the ultralisk ae in the first place, correct me please if I'm wrong.
I don't think that the patch will be so game-changing that it will affect the outcome of the GSL finals or other tournaments in a great way.
And as postet before there are the PTR servers so that the players can get used to the changes before they are applied.
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i can see the scv repair nerf affecting the outcome of the finals tremendously. battle.net 2.0... fail. not being able to host a stable previous patch... fail
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I just can't believe Blizz would do something like that to GOMTV, I mean both are partners, no? There's no reason whatsoever to release a patch that shortly before the grand finals, unless they intentionally want to screw with them.
Also I heavily disagree with ppl saying it won't change much: phoenix buildtime reduced by 10 seconds makes both phoenix openings and the lategame gateway/colossus/phoenix combo much easier accessible.
The SCV-change means the marine/thor-all-in is hugely nerfed and basicly not viable anymore, because it can be countered by standard-play. Even if Rain didn't plan on doing it, it is definitely a huge change for the meta-game.
Observer change doesn't sound like much but honeslty, if you early expand you need 3 observers (1 scout, 2 vs cloak-harass), reduced gas-cost means you have 75 more gas, that's like...nearly a frickin twilight council in gas that couldn't have been afforded previously.
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That's our Blizzard! A hurpa duurp hurp.
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On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho.
This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense.
Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do.
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Wanted to go home early for Christmas, I guess.
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On December 15 2010 19:07 Zim23 wrote:
This is pretty ridiculous. Wow. Just wow. If MC somehow loses because of this I will not be happy.
I hope you realize that the patch is a buff for protoss. Don't see how that would make him more likely to lose.
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I think GSL is played on a private server?
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I thought GSL was played on a special version... it isn't normal B.net is it?
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You know what would be funny? If they patch it DURING the finals
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On December 15 2010 19:12 FirstQT wrote:
i can see the scv repair nerf affecting the outcome of the finals tremendously. battle.net 2.0... fail. not being able to host a stable previous patch... fail
I think you're right in the sense that Rain might have planned a thor rush for one of the games, or been relying on taking undefended expansions with PFs -but- It's such a stupid bug and such an annoying tactic to play against and watch, I'm sooooo glad none of the finals matches will be decided by the use of it; I've actually been in shock as to why this hadn't already been implemented.
With any luck Rain's been phasing out those strategies anyway. It's just good practice not to rely on things that can easily be taken away.
The rest of the changes are more or less tweaks so here's hoping for a good finals regardless.
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On December 15 2010 19:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Good job being fucking retarded blizzard.
Guess its going to be a busy 2 days for you then as MC's practice partner before the finale?
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On December 15 2010 19:18 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho. This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense. Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do.
Sorry, but bullshit. GSL is by far the biggest and most important tournament. Also everybody knows (or if he dares to argue about it: should know) that Blizz and Gretech work together to establish SC2 as an esport. Probably people "would" complain if Blizz released patches before MLG/etc....but also they would understand.
Now there's nothing understandable about that, releasing a patch before the finals of their most prestigious tournament is simply idiotic.
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Blizzard has millions of customers waiting for features like chat channels. Those are more important than a tournament, even if it's the largest at the moment. They'll survive screwing over some professional players and maybe a couple of fans with balance changes, but they won't risk upsetting huge numbers of players by delaying features that have been promised for such a long time already.
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On December 15 2010 19:18 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho. This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense. Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do.
I support this point of view.
The majority of people will definitely moan about whatever choice Blizzard takes.
If Blizzard considers this Patch to be more balanced than the previous there should actually be no reason not to patch now.
Now whether the patch actually IS more balanced is another story. And of course the timing is rather bad but then again GOM decided to wait a ridiculous amount of time before starting of the finals.
Edit:
And yeah Shockks point is true as well.
Sorry hyper-competitive SC2 scene but it's still a gaming company with customers. Take a guess how many of those SC2 customers care about GSL? A rather low percentage. So that's another factor.
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On December 15 2010 19:21 rockslave wrote:
I thought GSL was played on a special version... it isn't normal B.net is it?
the tourney uses the same bnet like all the others. On another note, if they patched this game before saturday that's fucked up.. Terran bunkers' build time decreased which would help in defending against oGsMC's timing pushes because you know.. I want MC to win this not some terran dude who keeps allining..
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Holy shit are people over-reacting. 25 minerals/gas off an observer, Pheonix build time buff and a change to SCV repair which even Terrans themselves have said was needed for GODDAMN AGES...
People saying this is retarded are retarded themselves.
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On December 15 2010 19:26 Licmyobelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:21 rockslave wrote:
I thought GSL was played on a special version... it isn't normal B.net is it? the tourney uses the same bnet like all the others. On another note, if they patched this game before saturday that's fucked up.. Terran bunkers' build time decreased which would help in defending against oGsMC's timing pushes because you know.. I want MC to win this not some terran dude who keeps allining..
They reverted the bunker build time change.
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On December 15 2010 19:26 Dommk wrote:
Holy shit are people over-reacting. 25 minerals/gas off an observer, Pheonix build time buff and a change to SCV repair which even Terrans themselves have said was needed for GODDAMN AGES...
People saying this is retarded are retarded themselves.
You just called jinro retarded :0
Blizzard isn't very bright to begin with, I dunno why everyone is so shocked. If you remember, they were the ones that said neural parasites on ultralisks were a problem with balance.
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It's not like the patch breaks a matchup or anything, the PvT changes are pretty minor so who cares.
I thought GSL was played on a special version... it isn't normal B.net is it?
It's the normal korean battle.net.
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MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
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On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
Honestly, this is the only thing that makes sense - I've wondered before why they just don't release the chat-channel and custom-key patch when the bugs are fixed and keep on testing the balance changes.
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On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
If this is true that's pretty classy. No reason why they couldn't do this. Guess this is why leaking incomplete information sucks! (No offence Junkka, I understand it's probably an honest mistake!)
EDIT waidaminit... this doesn't make sense - Why would GOM have to squeeze the schedule for a non-balance patch? Eurgh... See the above comment on incomplete information :'(
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They did patch during gsl 1 also which made fd win in my eyes.. with the ultra aoe being extreme.. so he had 4 ultras kill 6 or so thors with ease and killed all workers at pf because they couldnt repair if it was attacked by ultras..
To be honest i dont think the patch will change the match at all.. mc will still roflstomp rain
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This is ludicrous, what the hell are they thinking?
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On December 15 2010 19:33 Zootre wrote:
They did patch during gsl 1 also which made fd win in my eyes..
i'm assuming you didn't watch the finals then. rainbow got severely, severely outplayed
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On December 15 2010 19:33 Zootre wrote:
To be honest i dont think the patch will change the match at all.. mc will still roflstomp rain
Considering that the changes will buff protoss, it would somewhat "devalue" the performance of MC. Rain-fans could go on about "oh well, obviously MC won because Rain couldn't adjust to the changes".
Nobody can want that.
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Does a ladder reset come along with the big patch?
If so, could that potentially hurt any ladder practice for the finals? I wonder this since with the new patch there might be new builds that single practice partners wont be able to come up with.
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10 bucks say Blizzard will not patch balance changes before GSL final.
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On December 15 2010 19:33 kuroshiro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. If this is true that's pretty classy. No reason why they couldn't do this. Guess this is why leaking incomplete information sucks! (No offence Junkka, I understand it's probably an honest mistake!) EDIT waidaminit... this doesn't make sense - Why would GOM have to squeeze the schedule for a non-balance patch? Eurgh... See the above comment on incomplete information :'(
Server downtime ?
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I wonder why Blizzard basically ignores the finals of their tournament.
But it doesn't change the outcome most likely as MC is going to dismember Rain.
Edit: Worst case scenario would probably be a totally screwed up server due to the patch.
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On December 15 2010 19:35 j3cht wrote:
Does a ladder reset come along with the big patch?
If so, could that potentially hurt any ladder practice for the finals? I wonder this since with the new patch there might be new builds that single practice partners wont be able to come up with.
Nope, they won't reset the ladder.
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On December 15 2010 19:35 corpsepose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:33 Zootre wrote:
They did patch during gsl 1 also which made fd win in my eyes.. i'm assuming you didn't watch the finals then. rainbow got severely, severely outplayed
im not talking about the finals.. that he won fair and square :D think it was round of 8 on kulas.
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As a player, I can't help but be happy because I can't wait for these features while I ladder.
As a fan, I'm pissed they would do this 2 days before the GSL finals. I don't think anyone would have been upset if they waited, considering no one would have known the difference.
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I highly doubt that it will be anything more than a patch to just fix bugs or something along those lines, if they did however impose the changes proposed on the PTR then it would probably make no difference in anything:
1. Everyone on TL will cry about it (including me because yeah that's plain retarded) but the reason why we are all here on TL is because we are diehard starcraft fans and we are still going to follow it in e-sports regardless of what Blizzard do.
2. It may have more of a positive effect on the game with it's customers as a whole, as plenty of people don't know or care about the GSL, but they do care about chat channels and if Blizzard employees are going away next week then it's important that they get this patch up now for the Christmas/New Year break when all of the little kiddies get their new SC2 prezzies that they had been asking for all year!
3. Not going to discuss the balance changes but regardless I think MC will crush Rain with or without a patch assuming nerves don't get to him in the final.
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Its not a big deal. The patch does not change PvT too drastically.
if rain has no chance after the patch and would have probably won prepatch, then he doesn not deserve a win because the game should be more balanced after the patch, shouldn it?
And calm down guys, this is not a majorbalancepatch like the last one. All we have to hope for is that the bnet does not fuck up as usual right after patches.
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On December 15 2010 19:02 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Good job being fucking retarded blizzard.
But that would actually be good for your bud if they patch before the final.
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They want a protoss winner lol :D
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i just had to laugh about the "already" in the thread title
well...looks like most of the stuff is just rumors or what someone said what some other people said...
i hope the patch is finally going up.
for the people freaking out that the patch is going live while gsl is still runnung:
even if it is THE patch, i don't get why everyone is going crazy that it's gonna go live before gls3 ends.
was the same at gls1! tournament was going on and the patch went live.
don't you guys, freaking out over that, think blizzard thought about that 
KOR or whatever server gsl is running just got patched a few days later after it finished. wouldn't be the first time that a patch is going up on different days for different servers...
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Weeeellll, MC is gonna win this anyway.
But yes, they really have no reason to patch before the end of GSL.
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It's amazing how so many people here (including major names like Jinro) somehow feel entitled to insult Blizzard, reacting with complete lack of understanding (and to a rumor regarding a patch, that is).
We're living in our little esports-microcosmos here at TL, but that doesn't mean it's OK to call Blizzard "retarded" and question their general judgement. It's not even know how the patch will look, if balance changes will be done now or later. If they're done now, well, what I already said earlier applies: there are much more people waiting for the promised features like chats than there are tournament players and fans being upset.
And if the balance changes happen later, i.e. Blizzard actually patches in a way to not screw over the GSL, then all you people better apologize for your ridiculous outrage.
I can just shake my head at the incredible arrogance some people here show.
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On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
it makes sense, but it's Blizzard we're talking about, and they would do it if they actually wanted to/etc = =; (I won't put it beside them to actually go along and actually implement it)
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GSL should make a rule where they start AND finish any season or qualifiers with the same patch!!!!!!!
Someone offer me a job.. I'll fix this system. |
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On December 15 2010 20:13 scvtear wrote:GSL should make a rule where they start AND finish any season or qualifiers with the same patch!!!!!!!Someone offer me a job.. I'll fix this system. |
If blizzard patch the game it surely isn't there choice as there doesn't seem to be an option to boot a previous version for me?
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On December 15 2010 20:13 scvtear wrote:GSL should make a rule where they start AND finish any season or qualifiers with the same patch!!!!!!!Someone offer me a job.. I'll fix this system. |
Gsl doesnt control blizzard so they can NOT force blizzard to not patch and there is no LAN so they have to play on battle.net with the patch.
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I highly doubt that any balance changes would change the events of the finals. MC is just plain better than Rain.
But yay, maybe we'll get chat channels for christmas.
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On December 15 2010 20:05 Shockk wrote:
It's amazing how so many people here (including major names like Jinro) somehow feel entitled to insult Blizzard, reacting with complete lack of understanding (and to a rumor regarding a patch, that is).
We're living in our little esports-microcosmos here at TL, but that doesn't mean it's OK to call Blizzard "retarded" and question their general judgement. It's not even know how the patch will look, if balance changes will be done now or later. If they're done now, well, what I already said earlier applies: there are much more people waiting for the promised features like chats than there are tournament players and fans being upset.
And if the balance changes happen later, i.e. Blizzard actually patches in a way to not screw over the GSL, then all you people better apologize for your ridiculous outrage.
I can just shake my head at the incredible arrogance some people here show.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, just didn't have the courage to actually say it myself.
Big props to you, man!
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What's the difference? Rain will never win if MC gets to the point where he can get a phoenix.
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Whatever, Rain only uses marines, SCVs and banshees off of 1 base, so it won't affect him.
:trollface:
His defeat will just look even more one sided.
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it has already been said a few sites ago, that the patch will NOT include the balancing changes..
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the last patch was just righ before Ro64 in GSL 2
I can't believe they trying to do this AGAIN
well we haven't seen any phoenix play from Mc so im kinda curious if this patch will happen on the day after tomorrow
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I'm sorry, but if Blizzard makes an exception for GSL, then why not tournament X or Y? Because GSL "is the biggest"? What is the deciding factor? Viewers? Price money pool? Total players playing?
"GSL is one tournament among many", and there are plenty of tournaments out there all year around, right? I can't see how Blizzard could take GSL into account and still be fair to SC2 tournaments in general.
Even tho the timing does suck.
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On December 15 2010 20:05 Shockk wrote:
It's amazing how so many people here (including major names like Jinro) somehow feel entitled to insult Blizzard, reacting with complete lack of understanding (and to a rumor regarding a patch, that is).
We're living in our little esports-microcosmos here at TL, but that doesn't mean it's OK to call Blizzard "retarded" and question their general judgement. It's not even know how the patch will look, if balance changes will be done now or later. If they're done now, well, what I already said earlier applies: there are much more people waiting for the promised features like chats than there are tournament players and fans being upset.
And if the balance changes happen later, i.e. Blizzard actually patches in a way to not screw over the GSL, then all you people better apologize for your ridiculous outrage.
I can just shake my head at the incredible arrogance some people here show.
The only real problem with your rant is that Blizzard called this the "E-Sports patch". A patch aimed at "E-Sports" that ignores Blizzards own tournament in Korea is rather strange don't you say? People can insult they all they want. Blizzard have done tons of very strange and dodgy actions that honestly I don't see why anyone puts faith in them anymore. It would be very sad if we lived in a world where we couldn't look at the actions of others and question them.
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On December 15 2010 20:05 Shockk wrote:
It's amazing how so many people here (including major names like Jinro) somehow feel entitled to insult Blizzard, reacting with complete lack of understanding (and to a rumor regarding a patch, that is).
We're living in our little esports-microcosmos here at TL, but that doesn't mean it's OK to call Blizzard "retarded" and question their general judgement. It's not even know how the patch will look, if balance changes will be done now or later. If they're done now, well, what I already said earlier applies: there are much more people waiting for the promised features like chats than there are tournament players and fans being upset.
And if the balance changes happen later, i.e. Blizzard actually patches in a way to not screw over the GSL, then all you people better apologize for your ridiculous outrage.
second that
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On December 15 2010 20:38 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 20:05 Shockk wrote:
It's amazing how so many people here (including major names like Jinro) somehow feel entitled to insult Blizzard, reacting with complete lack of understanding (and to a rumor regarding a patch, that is).
We're living in our little esports-microcosmos here at TL, but that doesn't mean it's OK to call Blizzard "retarded" and question their general judgement. It's not even know how the patch will look, if balance changes will be done now or later. If they're done now, well, what I already said earlier applies: there are much more people waiting for the promised features like chats than there are tournament players and fans being upset.
And if the balance changes happen later, i.e. Blizzard actually patches in a way to not screw over the GSL, then all you people better apologize for your ridiculous outrage.
I can just shake my head at the incredible arrogance some people here show. The only real problem with your rant is that Blizzard called this the "E-Sports patch". A patch aimed at "E-Sports" that ignores Blizzards own tournament in Korea is rather strange don't you say? People can insult they all they want. Blizzard have done tons of very strange and dodgy actions that honestly I don't see why anyone puts faith in them anymore. It would be very sad if we lived in a world where we couldn't look at the actions of others and question them.
Nope 1.1.2 was the "E-Sports patch". This is the "CHAT CHANNELS!!!!111!!!" patch.
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The real question to me is why GOM waits over a week after the semifinals to play the finals when they have no such delay between the quarters and the semis. The semifinals were completed december 10th when the quarters were december 8th; why wait an entire 8 days to play the finals? That just is too long.
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On December 15 2010 20:42 Lunares wrote:
The real question to me is why GOM waits over a week after the semifinals to play the finals when they have no such delay between the quarters and the semis. The semifinals were completed december 10th when the quarters were december 8th; why wait an entire 8 days to play the finals? That just is too long.
They change venue and set up a big event. So I'm guessing they need time to set everything up and get people. Could be wrong though.
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People are overreacting.
Balance patch or not, players will just need to adapt their play. A good player will know what to do, even If this particular patch being kinda a Terran's nerf + Protoss's buff.
Anyway, I agree that Blizzard could wait...won't hurt anyone.
Now it's too late to do anything I guess hahah
If they release the patch, people will complain. And If they don't release the patch, people will say "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments blah blah blah". I don't blame. Blizzard must win rivers of money from the Koreans.
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i hope the ladder resets on thursday then. that'd make an excellent start to my winter vacation
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Well I dont actually want to add to the discussion whether it is a good or not. Since for me its obvious and I dont even feel like arguing about that.
But everyone who posted actually agrees to one point though nobody really mentioned it.
BNET 2.0 SUCKS BIG TIME !
Especially for running tournaments. We need Lan or special tournament servers.
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On December 15 2010 20:45 corpsepose wrote:
i hope the ladder resets on thursday then. that'd make an excellent start to my winter vacation
I agree with this point it means on my vacaion bnet shouldnt go down for maintenance and server updates
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Looking at the changes from the PTR, I really don't think this is a huge deal.
The only thing thats really affected is the phoenix build time and the slightly lower observer cost.
I can't see either of these affecting the outcome of a finals.
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On December 15 2010 22:23 RoK Ot7Er wrote:
Looking at the changes from the PTR, I really don't think this is a huge deal.
The only thing thats really affected is the phoenix build time and the slightly lower observer cost.
I can't see either of these affecting the outcome of a finals.
There is the scv repair priority fix. That could affect the outcome.
One one hand, the balance changes are not that big and they do lead to a more balanced game, but on the other hand, Blizzard's not giving the pros the time to adapt to the small changes when they could easily delay the patch a couple days.
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I agree with a ladder reset coinciding with my winter break. Although I'm looking forward to being actually able to play at all really.
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Actually this patch should make the final games more balanced, cause that's a balance patch, and it is made for a reason - to balance the game.
^^
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I can already see the hordes of angry nerds posting "Why am I not Master's League?? I was XXXX point Diamond before the patch."
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I don't really care how big the patch is – any patch that changes gameplay should be relegated to "off-season". And it's not that Blizzard should then have to plan for every tournament; right now, the GSL is like a World Championship. Say FIFA would change how off-sides work; they would definitely not do this during a soccer World Cup or Euro, but if some national league or cup was affected, they would not care.
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On December 15 2010 18:37 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:34 PhiliBiRD wrote:whos JunkkaGom? link to thread? honestly it wont really change much, being that PTR has been out ppl have probably tested builds already. not to mention MC will outclass Rain by a mile. wont have the slightest effect imo regardless, i sure as hell hope it comes this week! Troll? Or you haven't been into sc2 scene much which then I apologise for calling troll. PTR is US only atm so most koreans won't be able to test anything unless they have an account. This new patch is going to buff Protoss so badly in air LOL.
MC lives with Team Liquid so i think thats a possibility. The balance changes for the new patch are not very significant. Rain just needs to be ready to see more phoenixes faster.
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so on page 4 people started to get the idea that the patch will just implement bnet 2 features and not ingame balancing, that was actually pretty fast. Either way they can patch regions seperatly and probably will.
On the other hand i don't know anything about the reactions that went directly towards blizzard when they did a balance patch while gsl was running (the ultra thingie and bugging the phoenix etc). Like people spamming them with mails or gsl people writing an evil letter. If the reaction was in the normal "we hate the firm that made this" way, they probably will go on doing it.
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I thought blizzard would do this patch right after New years. New Year new Ladder right? right? but blizzard in their own intelligence decides on the day before GSL finals...WHAT?!
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"You can't patch 2 days before major tournament"
Of course THEY CAN.
What's stopping them? Nothing. Will anything stop them? No. Why? Is this game Yours? Well,no. Is Blizzard Yours? No.
I am happy that patch comes so fast. I don't care about GSL and how it is doing.
EDIT:
Same way You could say using new start in finals only is "cheating","wrong" because they "did not use to do it" etc etc.
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It's not like this balance patch is that huge or anything. Had it been something that changed entire openings like the Terran nerfs, it would be different.
10 seconds off Phoenix and 20% Void Ray damage to Massive is gonna barely hurt anything. It's not like you have to relearn the matchup.
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Wow, thats crazy. Odd they couldn't wait a few more days.
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On December 15 2010 23:45 Tump wrote:
It's not like this balance patch is that huge or anything. Had it been something that changed entire openings like the Terran nerfs, it would be different.
10 seconds off Phoenix and 20% Void Ray damage to Massive is gonna barely hurt anything. It's not like you have to relearn the matchup.
The real problem is the when they do stuff like this things like FD ultralisk bugging his way to the finals (Not that he didn't deserve it but still)
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Umm... have you guys watched the GSL... MC is going to 4-1 this. And did you guys ever think that blizzard is balancing it before the Finals SO THAT THE GAME IS FAIR?
Blizzard is balancing it so that the finals is played as balanced as it can be. The Phoenix buff is only going to be good as a tech switch when viking numbers get big. Opening Phoenix against a bio ball is just stupid... Yeah it could do damage, but at any time the terran can basicly all-in you and kill you (PFFT RAIN DOESN'T DO THAT EL OH EL) The only reason to open phoenix is if you see him teching early.
+ some idiot said that the scv repair fix would change the match-up. GOOD! as a terran player i laugh when people attack my PF. PF>80 food army.
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On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes.
2 Pages ago... can you people just read what's already said? there is _NO_ balance patch on thursday.
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Is this just a rumor, or is the patch confirmed hitting tomorrow?
Is there any validation to this? I looked through the 6 pages here and didn't see any......
By validation, I mean a Blizzard rep stating the 1.2 patch is hitting tomorrow.
EDIT: By 1.2 patch I mean chat channels. Balance changes can hit after GSL is Blizzard has any common sense, in like a small 1.2.1 patch.
SUPER EDIT: I'm blind. reading comprehension ftl. >.<
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On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. 2 Pages ago... can you people just read what's already said? there is _NO_ balance patch on thursday.
Not to disrespect Jinro or MC, but this is not proof. I believe John's post about the patch, since they had to change the GOM schedule. But as far as I know, MC knows as much as we do about the new patch.
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I think every serious team will have at least 1 account that is able to play on PTR if they dont that would be bad - especially because blizzard doesnt give a damn if there is a huge tournament. They patch whenever they think the patch is ready to release.
Well looking forward to the patch (as a zerg player) i think there will be less losses because terran cant abuse PF´s anymore - Protoss air was the strongest before and it will be the strongest after the patch so that change doesnt bother me - if the toss wants air dominance in PvZ he anyways can get it 99times out of 100 games.
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God Forbid that pro players actually have to adapt to new balance changes and builds on the fly...
instead of going at eachother with pre-praticed builds they've done 5000 million times in their sleep..
geeez..
I thought being good, meant being intelligent, adaptive, and strategically superior to whatever may come in they way... :D
roll on the patch please.
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On December 16 2010 01:10 Oconomist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. 2 Pages ago... can you people just read what's already said? there is _NO_ balance patch on thursday. Not to disrespect Jinro or MC, but this is not proof. I believe John's post about the patch, since they had to change the GOM schedule. But as far as I know, MC knows as much as we do about the new patch.
Usually I would agree, but is a situation of a player who prepares for the final of the biggest tournament in Strarcraft 2 right now. It is not that hard for Blizzard to give him this information.
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Could you imagine if this patch did happen who ever loses would just be like I BLAME BLIZZARD. What a mess it would be there would be like 5 different thread discussion about well what if the patch didnt happen...
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so dumb if blizzard releases it before gsl
but if its not a patch balance then it should be fine
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It must be rough for Blizzard when people believe that they should adhere to the sooooo many external factors involved in their schedule. There are a lot of people at Blizzard who love the GSL so I'm sure the reason for their patch date supercedes the importance of the GSL. : /
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Er, if you guys remember there were other patches that were in inconvenient times - in GSL1 the first siege/reaper nerf (as well as Ultra bug) came around the Round of 16 just before Fruitdealer vs. TOP. The major zerg buffs came right after GSL2 qualification rounds so although only 15 zergs qualified, a good majority were able to to continue to later rounds.
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Good job being fucking retarded blizzard.
wtf blizzard
Assuming the patch does come on Thursday....
I'm going to have to disagree entirely with the TL crew here. If Blizzard wants to push a patch on Thursday, it is absolutely acceptable. They have provided a PTR for pros and everyone else to practice on so that it would not be an issue. Here's the way I see it: If you're really hardcore or pro about sc2 then you will have already practiced on the PTR. If you haven't then you're not really preparing for the future very well.
Additionally, Blizzard's motivation to get patches out on time for the public outweighs many pro player concerns and tourneys. Their obligations are to appease the public - which is 99% (this ratio is a guess) of players anyway.
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On December 16 2010 01:55 CherubDown wrote:Additionally, Blizzard's motivation to get patches out on time for the public outweighs many pro player concerns and tourneys. Their obligations are to appease the public - which is 99% (this ratio is a guess) of players anyway.
I agree fully. Especially if its either this week or next year, given employees going on vacation.
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Goddamn if they release the patch before the final. MC would have like 99.99% win with his VRs,, no more SCVs repair that killed HongUn =))
Only thing left is nerf the marauders lol
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Not saying Blizzard doesn't care about their own tourney / tourneys in general, but they already patched while a big World Of Warcraft tourney was running and the patch actually changed the complete balance.
So.. its not like they would make an exception for Starcraft 2 I guess.
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does this mean ladder reset as well?
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yeah they probably doesnt have anymore time. next week is probably vacation week ( Xmas New Year Break) so if they don't patch it this week they wont have it up before 2011.
If they dont have it up before 2011, the masses will slam them for not keeping their promises of having a major patch before the turn of the year. Prolly only a minority of SC2 people cares about GSL so they decide to go with what's best for the majority ( or prolly not, they just do whatever they feel like which is alright in my book)
And this just shows that GSL is not given preferential treatment. Otherwise all competitions like IEM/MLG/Dreamhack will start asking for exemptions for no patches during their tourneys and there will be no end of it.
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If the game isnt balanced, why would you complain about adding in a new patch. Isnt it just as bad to say, lets leave the game imbalanced for the finals. At least they have some time to practice. Could be a lot worse!
Disagree? Let me know, Adun.
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On December 16 2010 02:01 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Not saying Blizzard doesn't care about their own tourney / tourneys in general, but they already patched while a big World Of Warcraft tourney was running and the patch actually changed the complete balance.
So.. its not like they would make an exception for Starcraft 2 I guess.
yes very true. And like that there was mass blaming of tourney results based on patch. So if patch does come and MC wins....There will be an terran outcry like never heard before. If Rain wins then it will be "he is just the better player" mentality.
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Yay, new patch soon? People are so negative in this thread about how it is affecting the GSL. It is quite likely that Blizzard has been planning this patch for months. Its really not their job to schedule content release and patches around tournaments, especially since if they don't release it this week, the patch wouldn't come out until January since I doubt Blizzard will be working over Christmas break. I personally would rather get the new patch now, so I have all winter break to play it, since I really won't have any time to game it up next semester.
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Only big changes are the SCV targeting AI and phoenix build time. And again, only if these strats are used. They aren't very popular in the GSL at the moment.
Observer cost decrease isn't a big deal. If your margin of victory is defined by 25 gas, then shit. I guess I'm wrong.
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Only big changes are the SCV targeting AI and phoenix build time. And again, only if these strats are used. They aren't very popular in the GSL at the moment.
Observer cost decrease isn't a big deal. If your margin of victory is defined by 25 gas, then shit. I guess I'm wrong.
Hallucination, is pretty key it allows you to scout the build of the opponent to decide if you need detectors or not. Faster pheonixs achieve the same thing, allow nice transition into void ray builds. also the scv repair nerf kills some terran strats, also the immortal terran fortress and thor rush.
Thanks for the post, Adun
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I'm going to have to disagree entirely with the TL crew here. If Blizzard wants to push a patch on Thursday, it is absolutely acceptable. They have provided a PTR for pros and everyone else to practice on so that it would not be an issue. Here's the way I see it: If you're really hardcore or pro about sc2 then you will have already practiced on the PTR. If you haven't then you're not really preparing for the future very well.
I hope you aren't serious. You are american and have access to the PTR. The rest of the world can't play/pratice on 1.2...
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On December 15 2010 19:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:18 Tyree wrote:On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho. This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense. Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do. I support this point of view. The majority of people will definitely moan about whatever choice Blizzard takes. If Blizzard considers this Patch to be more balanced than the previous there should actually be no reason not to patch now. Now whether the patch actually IS more balanced is another story. And of course the timing is rather bad but then again GOM decided to wait a ridiculous amount of time before starting of the finals. Edit: And yeah Shockks point is true as well. Sorry hyper-competitive SC2 scene but it's still a gaming company with customers. Take a guess how many of those SC2 customers care about GSL? A rather low percentage. So that's another factor.
Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. We have been complaining about chat channels, balance and all that jazz for months. When the hell did Blizzard even listen to us? And what the hell does it mean that SC2 @ GSL is too small? These guys PAY to see SC2. Don't they matter more than us freeloaders? And since when is it that small? Do you know how many pay for that crappy premium GOM stream for the GSL?
And let's say they cared. Let's say they really were worried about angry trolls on forums, shouldn't pay more attention to something which has actual money on the line like $130,000 worth rather than a bunch of angry gamers? What, are they gonna say GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK!
Really. They need to delay balance patches. Something that could cost someone nearly 80,000 matters a whole lot more than forum flame wars.
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why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly
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On December 15 2010 23:50 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 23:45 Tump wrote:
It's not like this balance patch is that huge or anything. Had it been something that changed entire openings like the Terran nerfs, it would be different.
10 seconds off Phoenix and 20% Void Ray damage to Massive is gonna barely hurt anything. It's not like you have to relearn the matchup. The real problem is the when they do stuff like this things like FD ultralisk bugging his way to the finals (Not that he didn't deserve it but still)
Yeah, you're right.
Internal testing can't always catch all these intricate bugs. Hopefully PTR did.
Ah well, that's Blizzard for you.
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I think the phoenix/ultra glitch is one of the things that led them to doing a PTR in the first place. It's hard for a small select number of people to find random glitches.
PS, I don't see GOM releasing balancing changes a few days before this biggest tournament for their game ever without giving them a tournament server or something similar.
PSS, MC will win either way.
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why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly
I think rain is at the disadvantage as well, but not for the reason of the patch. MC is a beast, the match up is much like when goku first went ssj, the look on freezas face said it all. Rains going to have to rely on those cheesey disructo discs to win him this one. In the end it will probably hurt more than help. Rains a good player, im not knocking him, but MC is a beast. Look at the match with jinro. 4-0 is a pretty embarrassing margin. those are my predictions anyway. The patch wount be to impacting, if anything it will make the QQing more justified. Should be a good match though.
Cant wait for your thoughts on this, Adun.
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Need I remind you all that Blizzard ignored MLG DC when it came to major patches, too. The patch that came during that one was the one that increased roach range, forced depots before barracks, requiring factory for reaper speed, and some more minor (by comparison) changes that shook things up quite a bit. That, and this patch wasn't tested by a PTR.
Of course, GSL is bigger and more prestigious than MLG in the current scene, but lets not pretend it's an evil (necessary or otherwise) players haven't had to deal with.
Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard either delays it for a few days or enables GSL to play un-patched for the finals.
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I can already see the hordes of angry nerds posting "Why am I not Master's League?? I was XXXX point Diamond before the patch." I already see hordes of angry nerds posting.
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Delay the patch? Delay until when? Next year? February? Thats a long time... it's either now or a month in the future. Which is ridiculous if you ask me. I think Blizzard has conformed to GSL schedule in the past. They have never patched in the middle of the league, and they're trying to squeeze it in. The balance patch is fairly minimal so I wouldn't worry too much.
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On December 16 2010 03:14 Lokian wrote:
Delay the patch? Delay until when? Next year? February? Thats a long time... it's either now or a month in the future. Which is ridiculous if you ask me. I think Blizzard has conformed to GSL schedule in the past. They have never patched in the middle of the league, and they're trying to squeeze it in. The balance patch is fairly minimal so I wouldn't worry too much.
they could patch on Tuesday.
they have patched in the middle of a GSL season.
and even if there isn't a huge balance problem with the patch notes themselves, it leaves no time for Blizzard to catch and fix unforeseen bugs (such as the phoenix bug from last patch) that might affect the outcome of the finals.
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A Balance change is supposed to change things in a way the game comes out to be more balanced what means the game provides even more same chances for a win for all races right?
is the next patch providing new hudge imbalances so the tournament will be affected?
Also there is no official statement regarding the releasedate of a patch. I think if the patch comes or not wont change the Tournament outcome. I Doubt to see Phoenix or Thor with SCV repair on the field.
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On December 15 2010 19:16 sleepingdog wrote:
The SCV-change means the marine/thor-all-in is hugely nerfed and basicly not viable anymore, because it can be countered by standard-play. Even if Rain didn't plan on doing it
LOL
that's fucking funny, you've seen some (any?) of his games right?
It's a bad time for a patch, but it'll have absolutely no bearing on the outcome. MC is gonna roll this kid whether or not hallucination research is 30s faster.
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I don't really see a problem. MC will benefit from that patch, only Rain could be upset depending on the builds he had planned.
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On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid_Adun wrote:Show nested quote +why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly I think rain is at the disadvantage as well, but not for the reason of the patch. MC is a beast, the match up is much like when goku first went ssj, the look on freezas face said it all. Rains going to have to rely on those cheesey disructo discs to win him this one. In the end it will probably hurt more than help. Rains a good player, im not knocking him, but MC is a beast. Look at the match with jinro. 4-0 is a pretty embarrassing margin. those are my predictions anyway. The patch wount be to impacting, if anything it will make the QQing more justified. Should be a good match though. Cant wait for your thoughts on this, Adun.
DBZ Reference!
SSJ is definitely imba.
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I don't understand the ragers in this thread who complain Blizzard shouldn't release a patch before a major tournament final. Are the finalists of that tournament worth more then the rest of the people who've bought SC2? There are a lot of players in here who don't care that much for the ESports side of the game, and just enjoy the game for what it is. So it would be unfair to those players to choose 'esports-gamers' over 'casual-gamers'.
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On December 16 2010 03:56 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't understand the ragers in this thread who complain Blizzard shouldn't release a patch before a major tournament final. Are the finalists of that tournament worth more then the rest of the people who've bought SC2? There are a lot of players in here who don't care that much for the ESports side of the game, and just enjoy the game for what it is. So it would be unfair to those players to choose 'esports-gamers' over 'casual-gamers'.
Are you kidding?
There is absolutely no reason that blizzard shouldn't plan patches to avoid fucking up the biggest starcraft tournament in the world. Nobody gives a shit if the patch comes a few days late.
Most of the people that don't care about GSL probably don't care if a relatively minor patch comes out a few days sooner or not either.
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On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. 2 Pages ago... can you people just read what's already said? there is _NO_ balance patch on thursday.
of course, mc works at blizzard right? he definately would know when the patch would come out.
i was being sarcastic by the way.
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On December 15 2010 23:51 Markus138 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
MC told me he thinks this wont be a balance patch, then next week the balance patch comes. i was being sarcastic by the way.
Sure, cause speculation by any progamer is considered TRUTH. (also, key word on THINKS.)
no, really. don't get into that.
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Why wouldn't they want a balance patch with just minor changes like these? If they can't adapt to a new patch with changes they already know about, they shouldn't be in gsl. I guess this is why most are known as robots.
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maybe blizzard should release it mid-tournament just to troll you guys
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On December 16 2010 03:09 Gravner wrote:Show nested quote +I can already see the hordes of angry nerds posting "Why am I not Master's League?? I was XXXX point Diamond before the patch." I already see hordes of angry nerds posting.
I'm ready for people to post "I'm XXXX in masters league and I think that it's ok to not scout".
Phoenixes though, yay
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Meh, all this does is make MC's victory more set in stone, as this patch is an all around protoss buff and Terran nerf. Rain is going to be rolled.
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Regardless of the patch notes the better player will win, as always.
I'm excited for a more social starcraft hopefully I'll get promoted quicker now that people are getting put into masters/gm league.
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Blizzard would be stupid to wait unless they wanted to wait 3 or so weeks. This impacts the tiniest fraction of players if you're worried about GSL. Im sure blizzard is just making a killing off of e-sports (im doing a huge jack off motion with my hand right now you just cant see it).
Think of it like this... there was a time where in World of Warcraft a real competitive community existed. Over time, despite the competitive community crying the loudest, they nerfed the game into oblivion and took away the challenges to cater to the masses. Though your complaints dont fall on deaf ears, try to view it from a business perspective.
Do you
a) release a patch a few days before christmas, probably with many staff members unavailable if problems arise
or
b) release it with some buffer time so that during the holidays the server can maintain themselves a bit.
Or how about this... what do you think is worse to them?
a) impacting a small amount of players with the innopportune timing
or
b) having a significant amount of players with alot of free time due to the holidays, unable to play their favorite game because they dont have the personnel available to deal with problems that seem to always accompany patch release.
How much time do they even have between GSL seasons? It seems like these things are always running. You can't expect a company to accommodate some third party all the time with no financial return. Do you honestly think anything they make off of the competitive gaming scene comes close to being worth making poor business decisions?
Its unfortunate, but blizzard, like all companies, is a living, breathing organism.. .its going to look after itself first.
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not gonna matter much as the tournament winner is pretty much known to most people that follow it
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I mean, if anything it's just going to make MC win 4-0 even more than he was already going to. nbd.
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On December 16 2010 04:59 universalwill wrote:
I mean, if anything it's just going to make MC win 4-0 even more than he was already going to. nbd.
hes going to 8-0 him now. Its going to be so rape that it will seem like he got raped 2x more then usually. Instead of 1 black guy, there were 2. THATS how rape it will be.
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The balance patch changes so little I don't see it being an issue. The biggest change was to VR (how many GSL games have you seen people getting the speed upgrade or using them to counter Thors?) and ramp blocking, with the SCV targeting and a few other changes which are simply good all around at removing randomness from the matchups.
EDIT: And Rain will get stomped no matter what, even if they buffed the shit out of Terran he doesn't stand a chance.
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MC is gonna win anyways. Everyone knows it, even Rain probably knows it deep down in his heart.
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Well since I am switching from Terran to Protoss I say release it immediately. Rain will lose anyway so it will not change anything. Terran cannot compete with Protoss and the patch will not change that, just rub it in a bit harder.
Custom hotkeys are much more important to me than a GSL matchup that is decided before it is played.
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they COULD release it right after the GSL, 3 days wait isnt that long tbh
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On December 16 2010 06:02 MockHamill wrote:
Terran cannot compete with Protoss and the patch will not change that, just rub it in a bit harder.
Please stop posting, thanks. Simply idiotic.
Selfishly, I would like the patch asap but the e-sports shill in me wants Blizzard to wait till after this weekend. Kind've win-win I guess?
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they would usually patch KR, TW and SEA first right? anything up yet?
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if this is true, so much for fuckin blizzard giving a shit about their players and the community. They say one thing, then come the patch, we find out that it's a few days before a huge gsl match. -_-
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On December 16 2010 06:42 lofung wrote:
they would usually patch KR, TW and SEA first right? anything up yet?
i think us is always first, am i wrong ?
Then UE then asia
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On December 16 2010 02:48 1Eris1 wrote:
why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly
this.
ppl will shut up once MC wins.
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On December 16 2010 06:49 Erectum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 06:42 lofung wrote:
they would usually patch KR, TW and SEA first right? anything up yet? i think us is always first, am i wrong ? Then UE then asia
according to past experience its the asian first. dunno about EU though
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On December 16 2010 06:55 PhiliBiRD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 02:48 1Eris1 wrote:
why are people saying if MC loses this will be bullshit? the person that has the right to complain is rain. he will have a harder time. MC will just have an easier time. and if MC is worried about the phoenxies screwing up his BO or whatever, he can just pass over them. honestly this. ppl will shut up once MC wins.
It seems to change. Sometimes US is first, sometimes Korea, sometimes Europe. Seems random
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On December 16 2010 02:42 BuzzJuice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 19:25 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:On December 15 2010 19:18 Tyree wrote:On December 15 2010 19:11 dkby wrote:
If they wait for this tournament, they'll have to do so for every other tournaments, and it would be a pita to patch the game.
At the moment, patch > tournament imho. This, because if Blizzard decided to wait, 1000+ topics would spring up that "Blizzard only cares about Korean tournaments", "Blizz hates foreigners omg" and "Blizz would never postpone a patch for a EU/US tourney!" and other such nonesense. Basically whatever Blizzard does, the large part of the community has shown they will never be happy about it, so they might aswell just dive right into what they want to do. I support this point of view. The majority of people will definitely moan about whatever choice Blizzard takes. If Blizzard considers this Patch to be more balanced than the previous there should actually be no reason not to patch now. Now whether the patch actually IS more balanced is another story. And of course the timing is rather bad but then again GOM decided to wait a ridiculous amount of time before starting of the finals. Edit: And yeah Shockks point is true as well. Sorry hyper-competitive SC2 scene but it's still a gaming company with customers. Take a guess how many of those SC2 customers care about GSL? A rather low percentage. So that's another factor. Bullshit. Fucking bullshit. We have been complaining about chat channels, balance and all that jazz for months. When the hell did Blizzard even listen to us? And what the hell does it mean that SC2 @ GSL is too small? These guys PAY to see SC2. Don't they matter more than us freeloaders? And since when is it that small? Do you know how many pay for that crappy premium GOM stream for the GSL? And let's say they cared. Let's say they really were worried about angry trolls on forums, shouldn't pay more attention to something which has actual money on the line like $130,000 worth rather than a bunch of angry gamers? What, are they gonna say GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK!Really. They need to delay balance patches. Something that could cost someone nearly 80,000 matters a whole lot more than forum flame wars.
except when you buy starcraft 2 the only thing that gives you is a right to play the game, not the right to win money. blizzard wouldnt owe crap
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Ugh, I really hope this isn`t true.
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No big deal, if this is true. Game getting patched is just part of the game. Blizzard makes the game, Blizzard makes patches, we all know that the game could be patched at any time. Tournament is to find out who plays Starcraft 2 better, not necessarily who plays patch 1.1.3 better
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PLEASE i want chatchannels so bad.
Balancepatch would do nothing, MC wins anyways ^^
And: wasn't the first patch after release right before the finals of GSL1? Or was it an other tournament?
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On December 16 2010 07:39 mango_destroyer wrote:
Ugh, I really hope this isn`t true.
Well, that there will be a patch released tomorrow I'd say is fixed, otherwise GOM wouldn't be forced to rescheduele there games...
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Patch doesnt change PvT that much really.
A few scv rushes get slightly nerfed (which will probably affect Rain) and phoenix build time changes, that's it basically.
You can't expect blizzard to always wait on GSL. Besides they do pay attention to GSL by not putting a patch out in the middle of a round or when the tournament is still in the early stages with matches everyday. The players will have 2 days to get used to the patch, more then enough imo for the amount of changes it gives. It is just silly to state that every player has to wait for the patch because of 2 players waiting for their match.
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These changes have been available for testing for weeks... if the pros didn't bother to go practice on the PTR and aren't prepared as a result, it's their own fault. There is less of an excuse than there was with any other patch to be unprepared for this one.
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2010 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Season 3: Final
Rain vs IrOn
Set 1: Delta Quadrant
Set 2: Lost Temple
Set 3: Xel'Naga Caverns
Set 4: Steppes of War
Set 5: Jungle Basin
Set 6: Blistering Sands
Set 7: Metalopolis
( 2 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes )
Event Time: 19:00 KST
11:00 CET
05:00 EST
02:00 PST
i guess he changed his name or TL messed up?
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On December 16 2010 08:04 unaliased wrote:
These changes have been available for testing for weeks... if the pros didn't bother to go practice on the PTR and aren't prepared as a result, it's their own fault. There is less of an excuse than there was with any other patch to be unprepared for this one.
1 small problem: the PTR is only avaible for US players.
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i don't think this is enough proof, although i have heard this elsewhere, perhaps on SotG?
edit: i dont think it was SotG, must have been a stream on tl though
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On December 16 2010 08:04 wishbones wrote:
2010 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Season 3: Final
Rain vs IrOn
Set 1: Delta Quadrant
Set 2: Lost Temple
Set 3: Xel'Naga Caverns
Set 4: Steppes of War
Set 5: Jungle Basin
Set 6: Blistering Sands
Set 7: Metalopolis
( 2 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes )
Event Time: 19:00 KST
11:00 CET
05:00 EST
02:00 PST
i guess he changed his name or TL messed up?
Iron is his name from BW wishbones, and I am not exactly sure those times are right I think it might be 2 hours earlier
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While being done right before the finals is a bit rough, this is a tournament that runs pretty much all month every month. It's not fair to scream foul unless the patch shows up exactly when perfect for the GSL.
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people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.
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I really hope this is true
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Anyone knows if the reset comes with these patches?
But wich one then o.O???
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If this patch is indeed gonna happen before the GSL finals, it kinda shows how much regard Blizz has for that tourny. I'm sure their marketing dept already hinted to the execs that it could piss off a lot of people if they went ahead and did it. But obviously someone high up green-lit the idea to release it right before the finals.,.
Perhaps Blizz has access to some hidden numbers and saw that the GSL so far hasn't been the breakthrough they were looking for? So to them it's just a minor tournmaent, despite the huge prize pool? I know its a stretch but I can't make sense of why they can't wait just a couple more days...
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On December 16 2010 09:04 Onioncookie wrote:
Anyone knows if the reset comes with these patches?
But wich one then o.O???
Nobody knows as blizzard hasn't said when the reset will be.
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What I'm going to take out of this topic is that blizzard is actually communicating with the people over at the GSL so if they're changing something before the finals then there's probably good reason for it.
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On December 16 2010 08:13 MassHysteria wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 08:04 wishbones wrote:
2010 Sony Ericsson Global StarCraft II League Season 3: Final
Rain vs IrOn
Set 1: Delta Quadrant
Set 2: Lost Temple
Set 3: Xel'Naga Caverns
Set 4: Steppes of War
Set 5: Jungle Basin
Set 6: Blistering Sands
Set 7: Metalopolis
( 2 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes )
Event Time: 19:00 KST
11:00 CET
05:00 EST
02:00 PST
i guess he changed his name or TL messed up? Iron is his name from BW wishbones, and I am not exactly sure those times are right I think it might be 2 hours earlier
Yea, you're right- should be:
Event Time:
17:00 KST
09:00 CET
03:00 EST
00:00 PST
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Wow you guys are nearsighted. This exact thing happened before, in a previous GSL. Only it wasn't the finals, it was Ro8 or something.
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On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway.
And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.
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On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever.
The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.
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there is no patch its thursday already.
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On December 16 2010 09:33 tournamentnow wrote:
there is no patch its thursday already.
Might have meant thursday for the US not korea.
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On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.
while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.
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On December 15 2010 18:37 cocosoft wrote:
What's the big deal? It's not like the patch removed marines.
^this made me lawl.
It's not like they're doing anything that will affect balance, it probably just the improved search features for custom games and chat channels.
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is it known yet if the ladder is being reset?
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On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level.
So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S
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I hope you aren't serious. You are american and have access to the PTR. The rest of the world can't play/pratice on 1.2...
NA servers aren't like Korea where you need to have a Korean SSN to use them.
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If the korean tourneys cared, they would just undo the patch with custom maps, eg take the 5 maps they're going to use or whatever and copy the old unit stats back in.
No big.
Of course, I can't imagine how blizzard cares about esports, none of their actions show it. So ironic to release the "esports patch" at a time that will severely disrupt esports, and it's not even like it allows in-game tournaments or anything, very disappointing.
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On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol.
I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche".
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Hope they wont reset the ladders! were not even close to 9000+ yet! =)
well this is just rumors nothing is stated by blizz anyways!
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Blizzard did promise a ladder reset and chat channel implementation in November OR December...
Wouldn't be surprised if it happened on Friday.
Seems like they like to release patches on Friday's.
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On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S
I think they are on the whole behind the top level koreans. A lot of the korean players are getting flack for their 'high cheese, low skill play' but the execution of these cheeses and micro is pretty intense. Generally at MLG we get longer games buth with tons of mistakes on both sides that make the games much more exciting. I'm not bashing the top NA players.. I think a lot of them could have qualified for the GSL had they been giving the opportunity to compete but lets be honest none of them would have a great shot at winning the tournament. Jinro arguably the most successful nonKR GSL player (who i cheered the whole way) was severly outclassed by oGsMC once he got deep in the tournament.
I look forward to EG getting a house in Korea and hopefully more Liquid and other teams ASAP. I think that kind of environment just breeds skill building and overall success. That's the only thing NA/EU have been missing for awhile is the sense of professionalism and dedication the KR teams have. Infact if enough great players just got a house together in NA/EU it would improve their skill and pay off dividends, they don't even need to go to KR.
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you guys are forgetting the real reason why they have to release it this week
because christmas is next week and no one will be around at blizzard!!
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I think they did it to make the game more interesting :/
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At least we'll get the patch before christmas break, I don't think it will interfere with the finals. Plus, chat channels, finally.
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I doubt they will release the patch before xmas, what if something goes wrong? Then they will have to have people work overtime (pay them higher per hour rate) to fix the problems instead if they just release after xmas and if there are problem they could just use normal work time to fix them.
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Chat channels will make it so much easier!
i wonder how they are going to do with "names and numbers on the side of the name" AND ur ladder/rank! in the channel. It will be very interesting at least.
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On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S
Think of it this way...
Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.
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On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S Think of it this way... Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.
and we all know how it looked when Vlade went up against Shaq
good analogy btw lol
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On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S Think of it this way... Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac.
theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic...
id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well...
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On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche".
Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.
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On December 16 2010 11:34 nufcrulz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S Think of it this way... Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac. theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic... id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well...
and how many of those guys won the title?...parker won but because of Duncan, so if Dirk can win it for Mavs this year I will agree
PS my favorite is Sabonis, what a baller
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On December 16 2010 11:36 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche". Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.
TBH I don't really think much of the GSL skill level either... and next years' GSL will be entirely single elim so... ugh.
There are a few solid players but I don't really feel as if the tourneys are choosing the best player in the world. Right now, solid consistent play is the strongest determiner of ability, perhaps we will see amazing talent matter more in the years to come.
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On December 16 2010 13:21 GoldenH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:36 oxxo wrote:On December 16 2010 10:08 RaLakedaimon wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. I second this, that dude apparently didnt watch Jinro, Tylers, or honestly nearly any player that was casted games because this last MLG was insane. Low level is a great way of saying "i didnt watch mlg and im a douche". Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL. TBH I don't really think much of the GSL skill level either... and next years' GSL will be entirely single elim so... ugh. There are a few solid players but I don't really feel as if the tourneys are choosing the best player in the world. Right now, solid consistent play is the strongest determiner of ability, perhaps we will see amazing talent matter more in the years to come.
i didn't know you could be good with inconsistent play
we haven't seen any amazing talent because people are still perfecting strategies, it will take time
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On December 16 2010 11:36 MassHysteria wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 11:34 nufcrulz wrote:On December 16 2010 11:24 Jayrod wrote:On December 16 2010 09:52 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:48 crms wrote:On December 16 2010 09:30 blade55555 wrote:On December 16 2010 09:26 k20 wrote:On December 16 2010 08:57 Subversion wrote:
people making the point that if blizzard waits people will complain they only care about korean tourneys etc etc, but if they patched after the tourney, noone would know they had waited anyway. i mean they haven't given a date for the patch neway. And then we will tune them out because we don't care what they think. After watching GSL anyway I find it hard to go back and watch the comparatively low level play of MLG or whatever. The low level of play at MLG? MLG has provided alot more entertaining games then GSL imo lol. while i agree MLG is generally entertaining.. entertainment doesn't really equate to skill level displayed. Bronze level funday mondays are entertaining, it doesn't mean the games are high level. So you think the top level foreigners suck or something? :S Think of it this way... Foreigners at the GSL are like europeans that come over and play in the NBA. Jinro is Pau Gasol, but most of them are just Vlade Divac. theres dirk nowitzki, tony parker, pau's brother marc is doing well as well, hedo turkoglu? and peja stojakovic wasnt bad, back in the day.. as was drazen petrovic... id say european players are doing pretty darn good in the NBA, and i believe foreigners should be able to be pretty darn good in the GSL as well... and how many of those guys won the title?...parker won but because of Duncan, so if Dirk can win it for Mavs this year I will agree PS my favorite is Sabonis, what a baller
Well this certainly got de-railed.
Let's get back on track. I'm pretty amazed that they would do something like this. Seems like a terrible decision, and it's like they don't care at all what this could mean for the GSL.
Then again, the changes aren't so major that they'd make Rain win a game off of MC of anything.
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I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?
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I hope they wait to bring the patch out after the GSL final even if it is only minor balance changes.
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On December 16 2010 13:41 TexSC wrote:
I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?
same, i can confirm there was some form of patch... no idea what was in it. But my best guess since the description was tools update, is that the changes on the PTR for the editor were introduced into retail. And nothing affecting gameplay wise.
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got it too.. perfect, best patch ever ^^
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On December 16 2010 13:41 TexSC wrote:
I just logged in and got some "tools update". That is all the blizzard updater said. Anyone else get this?
same, tools update
but still 1.1.3
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I logged in and got it. I'm not sure whether then changes were included though.
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So is this it? Doesn't seem like it should affect things as John the Translator said.
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it is only a tools update
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I think the update might be for the blizzard updater itself? Perhaps in preparation for the patch tomorrow.
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anyone can elaborate what the tools upgrade consists of?
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haha i see. well that explains it. i like that answer. sounds better than what i already forgot i was gonna say T_T
+ Show Spoiler +
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Sabonis was amazing, and Divac had a pretty good career.
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On December 16 2010 14:34 0neder wrote:
Sabonis was amazing, and Divac had a pretty good career.
haha wwhat?
edit: look at my above posts spoiler lol
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a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch.
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lets just hope this wasnt wat he was talking about
/realpatchplzcomekthx
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On December 16 2010 14:22 Oconomist wrote:
I think the update might be for the blizzard updater itself? Perhaps in preparation for the patch tomorrow.
Downloader, Updater, Repair, SC2 Launcher, SC2 PTR Launcher, and it made a new Backup.MPQ for Core.SC2Mod.
Looks like in preparation for an update. They did a similar update before PTR came out as well.
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On December 16 2010 11:36 oxxo wrote:
Not really. I watched both. Like he said, entertaining != skilled. You can't honestly think that MLG skill level is greater than or even close to equal to GSL skill level. If you really need it spelled out, think about it this way. Alot of MLG players didn't even QUALIFY for GSL.
i am realy pretty sick of the "player X did not even qualify for GSl, so he must be terribad"-argument.
1. many players did not qualify for GSL, SSKS for example could only qualify for the very first one, then got knocked out for the other two in the qualifyers... yet, is easy one of the very best SC2 players out there.
some of the games in the qualifyers had top level facing each other and the one that won those games normaly went pretty far in the GSL.
2. many Top EU and NA players can either not afford it financaly to spend 2 months in korea or can not take 2 months off from work/study to spend in korea.. or both.
the GSL is not a MLG or a Dreamhack where you can travel there on Tuesday, have a golly good weekend and be done and home on the next monday evening.
to realy see who is better, NA, EU or KR, you would have to launch a online tournament that allows players to face each other without financal, time or location constraints.
only then, and over the period of several months, you could see a picture starting to form.
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Ok, Argument time is over. New patch is here.
SEA server got the patch right as I am writing this. It is true that this is not a balance patch. Just some changes to the general tools or a tools update and I don't even know what it means. Here is the patch notes
"StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty – Tools Update (2.1.2.2105)
General
Tools Update (2.1.2.2105)
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On December 16 2010 18:45 donkkk wrote:
what changed?
Nothing. Read my post please
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i dont get it, so why did they update the server?
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On December 16 2010 18:47 donkkk wrote:
i dont get it, so why did they update the server?
preparation
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I don't understand why people are against a patching?
Think it through LOGICALLY:
1. Both players get patched (so no one has extra practice time with the new patch version than the other).
2. Patching only happens.. when Blizzard thinks a matchup is BROKEN. It's like a car race, and you're telling the mechanic - WAIT, don't fix those cars, yeah yeah, it doesn't matter that the red car is shitter, let's watch them race first.... =/
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again.
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On December 16 2010 19:07 andrewwiggin wrote:
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again.
you should have followed your own rule :D
the patch notes are posteed to posts above you. Blizz didn't change anything. Just like Jinro posted lots of pages ago..
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1. Andrewiggin - If you really think that is a legit argument, please move onto step 2.
2. Think long and hard about your stupidity. If you still think that was a legit argument, move on to 3.
3. I don't really believe you would still be reading this, but if you are, surely you have realized the error in your ways. Please move onto step 4.
4. 1.2 is a freaking game changer. Protoss get's a HUGE buff. I really don't want to hear Rain complain that MC only won because of his buffs. Terran's freaking broken repair finally gets nerfed too, a strategy Terran loves to use. So yes, this would be extremely lame to do right before the finals.The game isn't broken.
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anyway, the game still functions as "1.1.3". Clearly it's going to reset to 2.1 shortly after GSL is concluded.
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GSL is just one of many tournaments. Why should Blizzard confine to it?
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On December 16 2010 19:22 vict1019 wrote:
GSL is just one of many tournaments. Why should Blizzard confine to it?
Because it is unarguably the biggest tournament in the world.
It's just idiotic if they can't delay the patch two days.
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bahahah that would be funny if everyone was crying about them releasing a patch a couple days before the finals, but then its just a little non game balance patch.
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On December 16 2010 19:15 roadrunner343 wrote:
1. Andrewiggin - If you really think that is a legit argument, please move onto step 2.
2. Think long and hard about your stupidity. If you still think that was a legit argument, move on to 3.
3. I don't really believe you would still be reading this, but if you are, surely you have realized the error in your ways. Please move onto step 4.
4. 1.2 is a freaking game changer. Protoss get's a HUGE buff. I really don't want to hear Rain complain that MC only won because of his buffs. Terran's freaking broken repair finally gets nerfed too, a strategy Terran loves to use. So yes, this would be extremely lame to do right before the finals.The game isn't broken.
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On December 16 2010 19:22 vict1019 wrote:
GSL is just one of many tournaments. Why should Blizzard confine to it?
lol this and many of the comments here are clueless. GSL is just one of the many tournaments? Yeah but it happens to have a 1st prize pay out of 85,000 USD. It is not just a tournament. And guys Blizzard would not troll the GSL with a game breaking balance patch before the GSL. a patch maybe but not a game breaking balance patch.
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On December 16 2010 19:22 vict1019 wrote:
GSL is just one of many tournaments. Why should Blizzard confine to it?
LOL... that's like saying OSL is one of many tournaments.
GSL is possibly the biggest SC2 tournament. The best players in the world are playing in it.
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So it's OK if Rain wins because the broken repair isn't fixed, but it's not OK if MC wins because the broken repair is fixed? I'm not sure I follow the logic. The game should always be played in it's most balanced state. If Blizzard feels something is broken, and their patch is ready, they should release it regardless if tournaments, as they have done in the past.
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On December 16 2010 19:42 Crichton wrote:
So it's OK if Rain wins because the broken repair isn't fixed, but it's not OK if MC wins because the broken repair is fixed? I'm not sure I follow the logic. The game should always be played in it's most balanced state. If Blizzard feels something is broken, and their patch is ready, they should release it regardless if tournaments, as they have done in the past.
They have no idea if a patch is going to balance the game more than it already is until it is tested...
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On December 16 2010 19:07 andrewwiggin wrote:
I don't understand why people are against a patching?
Think it through LOGICALLY:
1. Both players get patched (so no one has extra practice time with the new patch version than the other).
2. Patching only happens.. when Blizzard thinks a matchup is BROKEN. It's like a car race, and you're telling the mechanic - WAIT, don't fix those cars, yeah yeah, it doesn't matter that the red car is shitter, let's watch them race first.... =/
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again.
lol i love it when idiots try to claim they are using logic to prove a point. ironic. Your argument that both players have no extra practice time with the new patch makes me giggle. Somehow you think that will make the game "even". lol both players will be clueless and thus perfect balance is achieved?
your 2nd argument is simply moronic. patching only happens when blizzard thinks a matchup is broken? Lol then how do you know for sure that their new patch will fix the supposedly broken balance? Cuz they had patches before and people would still cry balance. Will this new patch really be the end all and fix the game? How can you be sure it may not get worse for one race or too good for the other? You can't be sure thus you do not make game breaking changes before a 200,000 USD tourney.
And I doubt they think the PvT matchup is broken. Most pro Toss and Terran say PvT is one of the most balanced matchups.
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On December 16 2010 19:53 zak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 19:07 andrewwiggin wrote:
I don't understand why people are against a patching?
Think it through LOGICALLY:
1. Both players get patched (so no one has extra practice time with the new patch version than the other).
2. Patching only happens.. when Blizzard thinks a matchup is BROKEN. It's like a car race, and you're telling the mechanic - WAIT, don't fix those cars, yeah yeah, it doesn't matter that the red car is shitter, let's watch them race first.... =/
3. Read 2.
4. Read 2 again. lol i love it when idiots try to claim they are using logic to prove a point. ironic. Your argument that both players have no extra practice time with the new patch makes me giggle. Somehow you think that will make the game "even". lol both players will be clueless and thus perfect balance is achieved? your 2nd argument is simply moronic. patching only happens when blizzard thinks a matchup is broken? Lol then how do you know for sure that their new patch will fix the supposedly broken balance? Cuz they had patches before and people would still cry balance. Will this new patch really be the end all and fix the game? How can you be sure it may not get worse for one race or too good for the other? You can't be sure thus you do not make game breaking changes before a 200,000 USD tourney. And I doubt they think the PvT matchup is broken. Most pro Toss and Terran say PvT is one of the most balanced matchups.
You know you just fell into your own "idiot" description :>
So just stop calling people idiots. Otherwise your post had an ok point.
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Just download the 2.something tools patch. The patch is not implemented yet though.
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I downloaded the new patch too. But no change at all it looks to me :/
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The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
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On December 16 2010 21:23 xSuperflyTnT wrote:
The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
there are a lot of theories
the most accepted is that blizz can´t wait for the metagame changes to patch, so it will end up in terran being extremely weak in a near future ....
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The patch was just a Battle.Net bug fixes/update patch. All is safe
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I don't understand the last patch. It says tools. What?
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Couldn't Gomtv could have made a UMS with the old parameters in place if it really mattered.
Think about it.
Hope to see some responses, Adun
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It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
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On December 16 2010 21:57 slimshady wrote:
I don't understand the last patch. It says tools. What?
Tools man... fucking tools.
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On December 16 2010 03:29 CuirassEU wrote:
A Balance change is supposed to change things in a way the game comes out to be more balanced what means the game provides even more same chances for a win for all races right?
is the next patch providing new hudge imbalances so the tournament will be affected?
Also there is no official statement regarding the releasedate of a patch. I think if the patch comes or not wont change the Tournament outcome. I Doubt to see Phoenix or Thor with SCV repair on the field.
That's the thing. If both players are practicing non stop for a build, and the balance patch comes, even if minor, could upset timings by a lot and really mess things up imbalance or not.
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On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it.
wrong. The GSL is for whole SC2 as an esport relevant. Not only for the guys playing in it.
On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
of course.
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On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches?
A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man.
If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments.
Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that.
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On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments. Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that.
Its blizzards decision, they can dowhat ever they want with the game, its only their choice if they want to wait for after the tournament
Althou it would be nice not to implement any mayor balance changes right before the finals of the largers tournament, but as I said I think its their game so their choice
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On December 16 2010 23:28 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments. Luckily Blizzard have more sense. I very much doubt they would ever consider doing something as ridiculously stupid as that. Its blizzards decision, they can dowhat ever they want with the game, its only their choice if they want to wait for after the tournament Althou it would be nice not to implement any mayor balance changes right before the finals of the largers tournament, but as I said I think its their game so their choice
Of course they can do what they want to it, I never said otherwise. Doesn't change the fact that it would be completely counter productive not to mention fucking retarded for them to do so, which is why we will never see a balance patch the day before a GSL final.
What hurts SC2 hurts Blizzard.
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On December 16 2010 21:23 xSuperflyTnT wrote:
The way I see it, it's blizzard's game they can patch it whenever they want and it doesnt really matter what anyone has to say about it.
If they wait till after GSL it's far more kind than they have to be.
regardless I'm curious as to why in every single patch thus far they have nerf stomped terran right in the balls. >.<
Go read beta patches.
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On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments.
There's 3 weeks of GSL, and then what if the 4th week happens to be something like MLG? You'll complain that they released a major patch right before MLG (which happened btw). They can't tiptoe around every major tournament. Yes, GSL has the largest prize pool, but that's not Blizzard's responsibility. Blizzard's responsibility is to balance the game as quickly and efficiently as possible. It would be much worse if they released the patch right before code S group stages, where there is more at stake for a larger number of people.
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John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please.
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On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please.
Its very clear you didnt play in Starcraft nor Brood War when Blizzard did patch the game at the same speed they are patching it right now. They also didnt wait for some tournament to begin/end.
That is why and how Brood War got balanced by countless patches and tweaks. SC2 is following in the exact same pattern.
They stopped balancing Brood War becuase it got balanced and the job was finished.
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On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please.
Even if it hasn't been patched since 2001, that is still THREE YEARS of patches before they stopped patching it. SC2 has been out for like 4 or 5 months now. I don't necessarily need them to keep patching it, but it is still early enough in the game that I understand that they will need to again, probably. Not to mention when the expansions come out, that will require balance patching, too.
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On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Brood War's last patch was released in 2009, but no, I'm sure you're right, SC2 is perfect now and Blizzard needs to stop working so hard.
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I dissagree with you chronald. Yes this is not the beta and the game needs to be developed but like you said, the game is NEW! The patches during the beta were huge and in my opinion the length the beta ran for was too short compared to how much they changed throughout it. The game can still benefit with minor tweaking.
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During Blizzcon Blizzard said that they will always try to avoid patching the game during major tournaments, but that their will always be something happening somewhere.
I dont think that Blizzard can flat out say that they will never patch during GSL and still have a good relationship with other tournaments around the world. If they want to make it a global esport, they can't start of by offending the people that will make it happen.
Patches will happen and life will go on, Blizzard will do their best to make it work.
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Whats the big deal? Patches are to improve the game. Blizzard isnt dumb enough to have a balance patch before GSL finals. Relax people.
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On December 17 2010 00:40 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please. Its very clear you didnt play in Starcraft nor Brood War when Blizzard did patch the game at the same speed they are patching it right now. They also didnt wait for some tournament to begin/end. That is why and how Brood War got balanced by countless patches and tweaks. SC2 is following in the exact same pattern. They stopped balancing Brood War becuase it got balanced and the job was finished.
According to day9 there were about 3 or 4 patches of significance in bw..
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On December 17 2010 00:55 hefty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:40 Tyree wrote:On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please. Its very clear you didnt play in Starcraft nor Brood War when Blizzard did patch the game at the same speed they are patching it right now. They also didnt wait for some tournament to begin/end. That is why and how Brood War got balanced by countless patches and tweaks. SC2 is following in the exact same pattern. They stopped balancing Brood War becuase it got balanced and the job was finished. According to day9 there were about 3 or 4 patches of significance in bw..
BW was also the expansion to SC...so let's see how many patches come out of HotS.
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On December 17 2010 00:43 Crichton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES. Brood War's last patch was released in 2009, but no, I'm sure you're right, SC2 is perfect now and Blizzard needs to stop working so hard.
Do you know what that patch did? He's talking about balance patches. All of the most recent BW patches were just bugfixes and stuff.
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On December 17 2010 00:32 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 23:19 Exarl25 wrote:On December 16 2010 22:52 Cel.erity wrote:
It looks like this was just a false alarm, but still, I don't see what the big deal is about a balance patch happening before the finals of GSL. Sure, it's the most important SC2 tournament, for the guys playing in it. No matter when Blizzard patches, it will always coincide with an important match in some tournament, and I guarantee you the finals of Zotac Cup are way more important to Strelok than the finals of GSL. Even just as far as GSL is concerned, it spans almost the entire month, do you want Blizzard to always be waiting for a full GSL season to end before applying new patches? A balance patch being released the day before the GSL grand finals would be no big deal? What the hell man. If you want to completely destroy any chance SC2 has of being regarded as a legit esport then yeah, go ahead and mess around with the game in the middle of major tournaments. There's 3 weeks of GSL, and then what if the 4th week happens to be something like MLG? You'll complain that they released a major patch right before MLG (which happened btw). They can't tiptoe around every major tournament. Yes, GSL has the largest prize pool, but that's not Blizzard's responsibility. Blizzard's responsibility is to balance the game as quickly and efficiently as possible. It would be much worse if they released the patch right before code S group stages, where there is more at stake for a larger number of people.
Blizzard's only "responsibility" is to ensure that SC2 is as financially sucessful as possible.
Trolling the entire community and jeopardising the games reputation as a legitimate esport by changing the rules the day before the grand finals of the biggest tournament out there would be detrimental to that goal.
It is in Blizzard's interests for SC2 to be successful as an esport. Which is why there is absolutely no chance of them releasing a patch at literally the very worst time possible and why they attempt to schedule around major tournaments whenever possible.
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On December 17 2010 00:40 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please. Its very clear you didnt play in Starcraft nor Brood War when Blizzard did patch the game at the same speed they are patching it right now. They also didnt wait for some tournament to begin/end. That is why and how Brood War got balanced by countless patches and tweaks. SC2 is following in the exact same pattern. They stopped balancing Brood War becuase it got balanced and the job was finished.
To me its clear that you didn't play SC1 but heard a lot about how great it is on the forums and just wanna look cool.
There were few, very space out patches and they were BIG patches. It wasn't some small bi monthly thing. And after a couple years, they backed off balance entirely. The balance was made by mapmakers making maps that addressed current trends in the metagame.
Also note starcraft wasnt this huge thing with tons of money being injected into it. It started out as small pc bang tourneys that later grew by being on channels like iTV, Tooniverse, and gaMBC.
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On December 17 2010 00:59 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 00:43 Crichton wrote:On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES. Brood War's last patch was released in 2009, but no, I'm sure you're right, SC2 is perfect now and Blizzard needs to stop working so hard. Do you know what that patch did? He's talking about balance patches. All of the most recent BW patches were just bugfixes and stuff.
True. Still it's meaningless to compare a time period starting 2 years after release of BW with the first half year or year after release of SC2. It's still perfectly possible that WoL, HotS and LotV will be patched in an amount comparable to that of BW and then not at all for 10 fucking years as well.
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i dont know why so many ppl are saying its impossible for blizzard to patch - its not like they´d remove Zealots or Marines with the next patch.
We will know soon enough blizzard usually patches around 0-6 am CET - thats in about 7hours.
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On December 17 2010 00:35 Chronald wrote:
John just trolled 14 pages worth of TL posters.
Also, frankly I think Blizzard shouldn't patch the game again after this one. This isn't beta where shit changes every month. And this isn't WoW where your class is #1 one week and the worst the next. We want a static game that we can develop, not a game that is different every time you get on. That is like playing chess, and changing how the pieces move every time.
Stop whining over patches and forcing Blizzard to be an asshole. The didn't patch BW since 2001 (correct me if I'm wrong). That is 10 FUCKING YEARS OF NO PATCHES.
Stop patching the game Blizz, please.
there are still 2 expansions coming with possibly new units and upgrades for current ones.
you'd blindly accept a patch that hasn't been tested in a major tournament as the final patch? the changes that were reverted were from complaints by people that didn't even install the PTR client.
even chat channels could still be improved with future patches, as well as online storage and showcasing of replays through bnet.
why would you want them to ever stop patching free content?
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Trolling the entire community and jeopardising the games reputation as a legitimate esport by changing the rules the day before the grand finals of the biggest tournament out there would be detrimental to that goal.
People will whine and bitch, as per their idiom. But in 5 years, after LotV is out and the last balance patches are done, nobody will remember the 1.2 patch that came out before some early SC2 vanilla tournament.
The success or failure of SC2 is not predicated on when this one patch comes out. It'll live.
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i love how we're running out of legitimate things to get mad at blizzard about so we're now just making up rumors to get mad at them about.
so guys, i heard that Heart of the Swarm is going to cost $100 and you have to buy it and preorder Legacy of the Void in order to keep playing starcraft 2 on battlenet. FUCK YOU, BLIZZARD.
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On December 17 2010 01:20 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +Trolling the entire community and jeopardising the games reputation as a legitimate esport by changing the rules the day before the grand finals of the biggest tournament out there would be detrimental to that goal. People will whine and bitch, as per their idiom. But in 5 years, after LotV is out and the last balance patches are done, nobody will remember the 1.2 patch that came out before some early SC2 vanilla tournament. The success or failure of SC2 is not predicated on when this one patch comes out. It'll live.
In 10 years, whether or not I failed the final exam I took 2 days ago will not matter much. But it matters a hell of a lot to me now, and prob will until I get my first job. Its all about momentum, and messing up the finals of a big tournament kills that momentum that Blizz can carry in the years to come.
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On December 17 2010 01:03 DragonDefonce wrote:
There were few, very space out patches and they were BIG patches. It wasn't some small bi monthly thing. And after a couple years, they backed off balance entirely. The balance was made by mapmakers making maps that addressed current trends in the metagame.
How long has SC2 been out now? It hasn't even had its first expansion yet.
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On December 17 2010 01:23 universalwill wrote:
i love how we're running out of legitimate things to get mad at blizzard about so we're now just making up rumors to get mad at them about.
so guys, i heard that Heart of the Swarm is going to cost $100 and you have to buy it and preorder Legacy of the Void in order to keep playing starcraft 2 on battlenet. FUCK YOU, BLIZZARD.
actually no, we're still pissed about no LAN
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When i log on i get this Patch...
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Tools Update (2.1.2.2105)
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StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty – Tools Update (2.1.2.2105)
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Tools Update (2.1.2.2105)
Does not seems to be a balancing patch.
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does not seem to do anything at all. my version unaffected by this patch.
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On December 17 2010 01:34 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 01:23 universalwill wrote:
i love how we're running out of legitimate things to get mad at blizzard about so we're now just making up rumors to get mad at them about.
so guys, i heard that Heart of the Swarm is going to cost $100 and you have to buy it and preorder Legacy of the Void in order to keep playing starcraft 2 on battlenet. FUCK YOU, BLIZZARD. actually no, we're still pissed about no LAN
I'm not...I haven't had any problems getting together with friends, even though we have to play over bnet
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we're all so happy for you.
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On December 17 2010 01:50 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 01:34 eggs wrote:On December 17 2010 01:23 universalwill wrote:
i love how we're running out of legitimate things to get mad at blizzard about so we're now just making up rumors to get mad at them about.
so guys, i heard that Heart of the Swarm is going to cost $100 and you have to buy it and preorder Legacy of the Void in order to keep playing starcraft 2 on battlenet. FUCK YOU, BLIZZARD. actually no, we're still pissed about no LAN I'm not...I haven't had any problems getting together with friends, even though we have to play over bnet
Me neither. Actually it's worked out better for me than I could have hoped. Now when my friends gather for a LAN (err, or a "gaming session") I can still play with them even when I'm not able to physically go. With SC1 none of us would have even considered that.
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I just want the ladder to reset
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On December 17 2010 03:03 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
I just want the ladder to reset
its so hard to loose my 2.2k points. but yeah i think me too 
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Will there be a ladder reset? oO
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They could just patch NA and EU then wait with the KR server a week if GSL is so important to them.
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On December 17 2010 03:04 g4mbit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 03:03 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
I just want the ladder to reset its so hard to loose my 2.2k points. but yeah i think me too
Im losing 600 more points then you so... you got nothing important to lose
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On December 17 2010 03:03 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
I just want the ladder to reset
I read that the ladder reset would only reset the points - not the hidden rating. So imo the reset really doesn't make that big of a difference, unless my information is wrong.
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On December 17 2010 03:41 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 03:03 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
I just want the ladder to reset I read that the ladder reset would only reset the points - not the hidden rating. So imo the reset really doesn't make that big of a difference, unless my information is wrong.
No you are right.
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On December 17 2010 03:41 OminouS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 03:03 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
I just want the ladder to reset I read that the ladder reset would only reset the points - not the hidden rating. So imo the reset really doesn't make that big of a difference, unless my information is wrong.
Yeah but i sold my account and bought a new one :D SO i have everything reset... even my collosis icon
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would it matter if the patch came out? I thought they have there own LAN tournament version of the game. So the Blizzard officials that are in Korea could choose to just not patch the LAN version for the GSL.
Ah well, the patch isn't out yet so it doesn't matter anyway.
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Can someone in Euro confirm if they got the patch? they usually get it about 6-12 hours before we do.
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On December 17 2010 04:22 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Can someone in Euro confirm if they got the patch? they usually get it about 6-12 hours before we do.
No patch here
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On December 17 2010 04:11 Poststrata wrote:
would it matter if the patch came out? I thought they have there own LAN tournament version of the game. So the Blizzard officials that are in Korea could choose to just not patch the LAN version for the GSL.
Ah well, the patch isn't out yet so it doesn't matter anyway.
GSL plays on battle.net. No LAN version.
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On December 17 2010 04:24 [Silverflame] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 04:22 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Can someone in Euro confirm if they got the patch? they usually get it about 6-12 hours before we do. No patch here
WELL FUCK YOU THEN!
User was warned for this post
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On December 17 2010 04:22 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Can someone in Euro confirm if they got the patch? they usually get it about 6-12 hours before we do.
Confirmed
(at least tools + General)
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I got a tools update earlier today (WoW also), but no real patch so far.
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On December 17 2010 04:32 Widar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 04:22 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
Can someone in Euro confirm if they got the patch? they usually get it about 6-12 hours before we do. Confirmed (at least tools + General)
everyone has gotten the tools
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Tools confirmed on US.
And now we wait...
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What do the tools update do? Just a little "pre-patch" update?
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hohoo... maybe the tools update was just a massive PSYCHE to everyone upset about the GSL. "Haha yeah we are going to patch it prior to the final.... not"
I think obviously it makes most sense from the eSports point of view to delay the main patch, and yes this is important in raising SC2's profile, etc, but I just don't think people get that Blizzard is a business, there are other factors e.g. they need to build in time post-patch pre-xmas in case anything goes wrong, they told a lot of people it'd be out by xmas... another example, getting Blizzard DOTA out (should that be happening this patch) might increase xmas holiday sales, etc. It's a business decision, not purely based around 1 series of games, no matter how significant they are.
Yes it would be unfortunate were they to patch it today, and i'm sure they'd be aware of the issues, but to call them retarded, f*cking stupid, etc, just doesn't make sense to me...
EDIT: F*** ME that's a big prize pool, though!
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On December 17 2010 04:51 akaname wrote:
hohoo... maybe the tools update was just a massive PSYCHE to everyone upset about the GSL. "Haha yeah we are going to patch it prior to the final.... not"
I think obviously it makes most sense from the eSports point of view to delay the main patch, and yes this is important in raising SC2's profile, etc, but I just don't think people get that Blizzard is a business, there are other factors e.g. they need to build in time post-patch pre-xmas in case anything goes wrong, they told a lot of people it'd be out by xmas... another example, getting Blizzard DOTA out (in this patch) might increase xmas holiday sales, etc. It's a business decision, not purely based around 1 series of games, no matter how significant they are.
Yes it would be unfortunate were they to patch it tomorrow, and i'm sure they'd be aware of the issues, but to call them retarded, f*cking stupid, etc, just doesn't make sense to me...
Yeah I dont know... I wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't patched for a week. but i did get a warn woot!
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So much for this topic, I can't believe it got to 17 pages
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Mine patched and said under balance that scv's now assume same priority as target they are repairing. I didn't even get a chance to read all of the patch notes though, because the Blizzard updater ran almost right away.
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Can there be a patch without any b.net downtime?
I doubt it.
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On December 17 2010 06:29 thesauceishot wrote:
Mine patched and said under balance that scv's now assume same priority as target they are repairing. I didn't even get a chance to read all of the patch notes though, because the Blizzard updater ran almost right away.
Those are the old patch notes, they display underneath the current patch notes and you read them by accident.
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On December 17 2010 06:27 Lil.Sassy wrote:
So much for this topic, I can't believe it got to 17 pages
Days not over yet lolol
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i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking.
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To stop speculation, why didn't Blizzard just go ahead and type something in the patch notes for the tools thingie. Just having a blank update is a bit silly.
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On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking.
you explained it like this
On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch.
which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too.
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On December 17 2010 06:49 jimminy_kriket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 06:29 thesauceishot wrote:
Mine patched and said under balance that scv's now assume same priority as target they are repairing. I didn't even get a chance to read all of the patch notes though, because the Blizzard updater ran almost right away. Those are the old patch notes, they display underneath the current patch notes and you read them by accident.
No...because SCVS do not assume the same priority as the target they are repairing right now.
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Are anyone besides me getting loads of disconnects (or at least, that's what it looks like) after the new "blank" patch?
Like 75% of my ladder stuff is "found player!" then nothing, then the text goes away, I'm back to the normal menu, and if I try finding a new match, it says my status is locked. Seems awfully similar to the way bnet was in the beta.
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On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too.
You know when you've been Teeler'd.
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On December 17 2010 07:47 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 06:49 jimminy_kriket wrote:On December 17 2010 06:29 thesauceishot wrote:
Mine patched and said under balance that scv's now assume same priority as target they are repairing. I didn't even get a chance to read all of the patch notes though, because the Blizzard updater ran almost right away. Those are the old patch notes, they display underneath the current patch notes and you read them by accident. No...because SCVS do not assume the same priority as the target they are repairing right now.
You're reading the PTR patch notes, and they haven't been implemented yet, everyone received just the "tools update".
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On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too.
the only change ive notice so far is before, when someone pause the game by accident after saying gg then leaves the game wouldnt do shit and you would have to unpause to find out he left now if someone pause and leave the game you have the score screen window along with the option to unpause the game
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On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too.
you got rolled.
because nony is smarter than you because he went to duke, he's more athletic, more handsome and better at starcraft
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On December 17 2010 10:30 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too. you got rolled. because nony is smarter than you because he went to duke, he's more athletic, more handsome and better at starcraft
what? this post is both confusing and pointless.
on topic, i've been getting Player Found! followed by a message that a player disconnected since this tools patch.
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Maybe they are implementing Battle.net Santa.
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On December 17 2010 10:42 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 10:30 Subversion wrote:On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too. you got rolled. because nony is smarter than you because he went to duke, he's more athletic, more handsome and better at starcraft what? this post is both confusing and pointless. on topic, i've been getting Player Found! followed by a message that a player disconnected since this tools patch.
its a reference to the sotg podcast from tuesday
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I doubt they're going to put 1.2 out today if they're still squashing bugs. I'm still thinking it'll happen right before Christmas, so, next week.
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Blizzard's Christmas gift: Chat Channels.
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So I guess they're fixing all the bugs people found. Glad about the ling pushing zlot fix. That was annoying as shit.
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On December 17 2010 10:42 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2010 10:30 Subversion wrote:On December 17 2010 07:10 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 17 2010 07:00 blizzind wrote:
i like how just a few pages back from this one there are people explaining what a tools patch means and yet there are still people asking. you explained it like this On December 16 2010 14:42 blizzind wrote:
a tools update can be for anything like the updater itself or the repair program, launcher or the editor. stuff like that. this is probably in preparation for the new patch. which doesn't tell us anything. what changes were made? how were the tools updated? when we get a balance patch, we get a list of balance changes. it doesn't say "balance update". if it said "balance update" and people asked "what does that mean?" it'd be a very smartass response to say "they made changes that improve the balance between the races in multiplayer". if you know the changes, say them. otherwise you can sit quietly and hope that the braver people who will admit their ignorance and ask a question might get a good answer, so then you can benefit too. you got rolled. because nony is smarter than you because he went to duke, he's more athletic, more handsome and better at starcraft what? this post is both confusing and pointless. on topic, i've been getting Player Found! followed by a message that a player disconnected since this tools patch.
you sir, have no sense of humor
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@BnK
I t's not a lack of humor, it's more like he didn't know it was a comical reference. I didn't watch that podcast either so to me it sounded like he was making an [immature] insult. His reaction was reasonable =/
Anyone notice that the Infestation Pit now glows (and moves[more]) when it upgrades Fungal now? (idk about neural parasite)
It looks pretty cool though :D
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On December 17 2010 15:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
@BnK
I t's not a lack of humor, it's more like he didn't know it was a comical reference. I didn't watch that podcast either so to me it sounded like he was making an [immature] insult. His reaction was reasonable =/
Anyone notice that the Infestation Pit now glows (and moves[more]) when it upgrades Fungal now? (idk about neural parasite)
It looks pretty cool though :D
It was fairly clear to me without having heard the cast, that he was referring to something that I hadn't heard of.
One of the things I like to do at this type of juncture is ask myself whether or not I'm missing something and should query/move on, --or-- whether I should blindly assume I'm being immaturely insulted by morons who can clearly be nothing but inferior to me in their grasp of rational thought and literacy.
As fond as I am of the latter, I often find that as a matter of principle not assuming the worst is nice. I find it helps to maintain `good humour' and move on.
^_^
AAAAaaanyway.
PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH.
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Sheesh I thought it was a balance patch with the OP freakout update but I misread it
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I think blizzard realised that they can't release a patch 2 days before the finals. I think we can expect it next week.
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On December 17 2010 19:39 Dente wrote:
I think blizzard realised that they can't release a patch 2 days before the finals. I think we can expect it next week.
Or....Blizzard fixed some more bugs and needs more time to test.
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There was a patch on Europe.
Where is the freaking patchlog?
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So it must come out like next week.
Anyone can tell a litlle more already?
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On December 17 2010 19:39 Dente wrote:
I think blizzard realised that they can't release a patch 2 days before the finals. I think we can expect it next week.
blizzard can do what ever the %$$# they want, they probably found some bugs that needed to be worked out...
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can anyone post the patchlog
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