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On February 07 2012 07:26 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 02:50 BeeNu wrote:On February 07 2012 02:31 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 02:06 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I got into an RvR (that's random vs random) on Antiga Shipyard, we roll TvP. After the game:
*image*
I challenged him to a rematch, best race vs best race but he didn't respond. I play Random from time to time on my offracing account and I get stuff like this a lot too. When you get RvR, do they leave half the time? They always seem to when I get it. The other day I got an RvR, and as soon as he scouted it was PvP he left the game. Then I immediately got matched with him again and he rolled Terran and I rolled Protoss and he proxy 2port banshee rushed me. I've also had RvR where they just auto-leave. I don't get it. Or they do dumb stuff, like an RvR where the guy didn't scout until after going forge first (I guess he assumed I was zerg?) and I was Terran so I just did gasless 1rax expand into 4rax marine pressure and killed his expansion since he walled off but made no cannons. It was odd. The reason they leave in RvR is because they are playing Random to get an unfair advantage in the first place, if they are matched against another random player their unfair advantage disappears and they might actually have to put effort into winning the match so it's easier for them to just leave and queue up again rather than scout and play without blind coin flip cheese. This also explains why in RvR they might simply do something odd and incredibly coin-flippy like blindly going Forge First, these players are used to simply flipping coins for their wins in the first place so scouting isn't important to them it's just luck. Exactly this. You shouldn't even be allowed to play random. There's nothing more frustrating than a random player who plays incredibly greedy with like a nexus first and you just have to use a super safe build because you don't know which race the guy is. I usually always 1 rax expand and obviously wall-in when I play against random because it's the safest build after all against all races, and then I get like owned because my opponent went nexus first and I scouted him last, so I'm already really far behind or I get tank rushed in TvT, because I build a wall-in, in case the random player is zerg and with a 1 rax expo there's no way you can get tanks out soon enough to stop him from tank rushing your wall-in. It's risky metagame nonsense and they know exactly that they have an advantage and abuse it as hard as they can. I think when someone picks random it should show you the race he got at the beginning of the game. It's just really frustrating when you 1rax expo vs. a zerg, no way you can put pressure on him because you only have 1 rax and if he wants he can drone like a madman and take an early third and there's nothing you can do, just because you were forced to play safe... edit: The option to play "random" shouldn't exist. If you want to play random you should just have to pick the races in order. 1st game terran, 2nd game protoss, 3rd game zerg, 4th game terran, 5th game protoss, and so on and so forth. There's your random and you actually have a fair game every single time. How about that?
You can scout lol.. Blindly 1 rax expanding is risky in itself. You should be scouting with your scv anyway so what's stopping you from scouting vs a random? If you don't scout vs a Protoss and they Nexus first anyway, what's the difference?
You're blaming your losses on a random player when there's probably 1000 other mistakes you could've done better yourself. This isn't the GSL, you're playing on ladder, where you should be learning to improve, not complain. If anything, random players should make you better at scouting.
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On February 06 2012 23:53 Rasp wrote:ZvT on Antiga... read chat from bottom to top + Show Spoiler +If you're curious, here's the push that he was going to kill me with: + Show Spoiler +Killed it with a ling/bane surround
played this guy mirror match up on the ladder and he still complained. could be a different foxer though
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On February 07 2012 07:26 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 02:50 BeeNu wrote:On February 07 2012 02:31 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 02:06 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I got into an RvR (that's random vs random) on Antiga Shipyard, we roll TvP. After the game:
*image*
I challenged him to a rematch, best race vs best race but he didn't respond. I play Random from time to time on my offracing account and I get stuff like this a lot too. When you get RvR, do they leave half the time? They always seem to when I get it. The other day I got an RvR, and as soon as he scouted it was PvP he left the game. Then I immediately got matched with him again and he rolled Terran and I rolled Protoss and he proxy 2port banshee rushed me. I've also had RvR where they just auto-leave. I don't get it. Or they do dumb stuff, like an RvR where the guy didn't scout until after going forge first (I guess he assumed I was zerg?) and I was Terran so I just did gasless 1rax expand into 4rax marine pressure and killed his expansion since he walled off but made no cannons. It was odd. The reason they leave in RvR is because they are playing Random to get an unfair advantage in the first place, if they are matched against another random player their unfair advantage disappears and they might actually have to put effort into winning the match so it's easier for them to just leave and queue up again rather than scout and play without blind coin flip cheese. This also explains why in RvR they might simply do something odd and incredibly coin-flippy like blindly going Forge First, these players are used to simply flipping coins for their wins in the first place so scouting isn't important to them it's just luck. Exactly this. You shouldn't even be allowed to play random. There's nothing more frustrating than a random player who plays incredibly greedy with like a nexus first and you just have to use a super safe build because you don't know which race the guy is. I usually always 1 rax expand and obviously wall-in when I play against random because it's the safest build after all against all races, and then I get like owned because my opponent went nexus first and I scouted him last, so I'm already really far behind or I get tank rushed in TvT, because I build a wall-in, in case the random player is zerg and with a 1 rax expo there's no way you can get tanks out soon enough to stop him from tank rushing your wall-in. It's risky metagame nonsense and they know exactly that they have an advantage and abuse it as hard as they can. I think when someone picks random it should show you the race he got at the beginning of the game. It's just really frustrating when you 1rax expo vs. a zerg, no way you can put pressure on him because you only have 1 rax and if he wants he can drone like a madman and take an early third and there's nothing you can do, just because you were forced to play safe... edit: The option to play "random" shouldn't exist. If you want to play random you should just have to pick the races in order. 1st game terran, 2nd game protoss, 3rd game zerg, 4th game terran, 5th game protoss, and so on and so forth. There's your random and you actually have a fair game every single time. How about that?
LOL
awwwww 
so when you lose to random player, instead of giving credit to the player learning all 9 match up, all fault is pointed towards the "randomer's advantage" on why you would lose?
just scout early, random protoss going nexus first and a regular protoss going nexus first is no different.
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On February 07 2012 07:40 stokes17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 00:06 JDub wrote:On February 06 2012 13:33 jimminy_kriket wrote:On February 06 2012 08:59 Zode wrote:
I think if you message someone after game and say gg when they never said gg and they had just left, then yea. If they say gg and leave I don't see the harm in returning it. If someone does that to me, I view it as them rubbing it in. Surely you can understand that. No, I can't really understand that. If you say "gg" and then leave, it's perfectly manner for the other player to send you back a "gg". If you quit the game without saying anything, then you're implying you don't want to talk with the other person, and if they send you a "gg" THEN you are justified in getting annoyed by it. If we don't take this approach, how else are SC2 players supposed to interact? Is it only okay to strike up a conversation with your opponent if you are the losing player? yea pretty much because 10/10 times the winning player is going to be smug or rude or trying to get a reaction out of the losing player. I don't think I've ever gotten a good piece of advice from someone who just beat me. Hell most people don't even fully understand what occurred in the game they just played (NA low masters at least) You can interact on TL, reddit, chat channels, custom games, literally anything EXCEPT talking to someone after you beat them on ladder. That being said I usually dont care if someone sends me a gg after i gg wp and leave. But I can't really think of a time someone has sent me an out of game gg and when I dont respond (cuz im in a new game) doesn't follow up with some form of BM (you know you only lost cuz xyz.... or maybe if you did xyz you wouldnt have lost.... or just straight up flaming) Because any1 with manners will have just moved on to the next game at this point.
Personally I think it's worth trying to start up a convo when I wish to discuss what just happened in a game (win/lose). Generally the response if I just won is a "stfu", in which case I don't push the issue. If I just lost, the response is normally "you are a total noob rofl ezmode", or "sorry you cannot whisper to this player", in which case I don't push the issue. That said, it's worth it to me to try even if it's only 10-20% of the time I get to have a convo with the other person. Worst case scenario someone is annoyed that I messaged them, so no big deal.
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On February 08 2012 05:30 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:26 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 07 2012 02:50 BeeNu wrote:On February 07 2012 02:31 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 02:06 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I got into an RvR (that's random vs random) on Antiga Shipyard, we roll TvP. After the game:
*image*
I challenged him to a rematch, best race vs best race but he didn't respond. I play Random from time to time on my offracing account and I get stuff like this a lot too. When you get RvR, do they leave half the time? They always seem to when I get it. The other day I got an RvR, and as soon as he scouted it was PvP he left the game. Then I immediately got matched with him again and he rolled Terran and I rolled Protoss and he proxy 2port banshee rushed me. I've also had RvR where they just auto-leave. I don't get it. Or they do dumb stuff, like an RvR where the guy didn't scout until after going forge first (I guess he assumed I was zerg?) and I was Terran so I just did gasless 1rax expand into 4rax marine pressure and killed his expansion since he walled off but made no cannons. It was odd. The reason they leave in RvR is because they are playing Random to get an unfair advantage in the first place, if they are matched against another random player their unfair advantage disappears and they might actually have to put effort into winning the match so it's easier for them to just leave and queue up again rather than scout and play without blind coin flip cheese. This also explains why in RvR they might simply do something odd and incredibly coin-flippy like blindly going Forge First, these players are used to simply flipping coins for their wins in the first place so scouting isn't important to them it's just luck. Exactly this. You shouldn't even be allowed to play random. There's nothing more frustrating than a random player who plays incredibly greedy with like a nexus first and you just have to use a super safe build because you don't know which race the guy is. I usually always 1 rax expand and obviously wall-in when I play against random because it's the safest build after all against all races, and then I get like owned because my opponent went nexus first and I scouted him last, so I'm already really far behind or I get tank rushed in TvT, because I build a wall-in, in case the random player is zerg and with a 1 rax expo there's no way you can get tanks out soon enough to stop him from tank rushing your wall-in. It's risky metagame nonsense and they know exactly that they have an advantage and abuse it as hard as they can. I think when someone picks random it should show you the race he got at the beginning of the game. It's just really frustrating when you 1rax expo vs. a zerg, no way you can put pressure on him because you only have 1 rax and if he wants he can drone like a madman and take an early third and there's nothing you can do, just because you were forced to play safe... edit: The option to play "random" shouldn't exist. If you want to play random you should just have to pick the races in order. 1st game terran, 2nd game protoss, 3rd game zerg, 4th game terran, 5th game protoss, and so on and so forth. There's your random and you actually have a fair game every single time. How about that? LOL awwwww so when you lose to random player, instead of giving credit to the player learning all 9 match up, all fault is pointed towards the "randomer's advantage" on why you would lose? just scout early, random protoss going nexus first and a regular protoss going nexus first is no different.
This. I play Random almost exclusively and I laugh whenever someone tries to claim it's an unfair advantage. 1 Rax expand can be safe in any matchup, if not ideal in TvZ, so I'm not sure what that guy is complaining about anyways. Maybe he should try to learn safe openers in 9 different matchups.
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I won a macro game ZvP using roaches and broodlords. He ragequit then after a minute messaged me. I hadn't said anything at any point to provoke it so I was a tad confused.
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So its prob really simple but for the life of me I cant figure out how to screen print the convo the right way so I'll just type it here.... I'mn a terran, facing a zerg on shakuras today. We start very normal, close air positions. I go hellion expand and go up his ramp with 6 hellions. I killed all but 6 because he had horrible spine placement (only 1) and he grouped all his drones together and tried to run....
+ Show Spoiler +
Him:gg
Me:gg
A few mins go past
Me: this a joke?
Him: Youre a fucking joke, I hate you
Me: rofl, please leave
Him: kk
Several more mins go by and he thinks he can win with a muta harass.... he amasses about 20 and tries to attack right as I move out, I purposely left 2 thors behind.... I kill nat and main as well as all tech structures...
Me: gg noob
Him: haha, ur such a bitch u killed ALL my drones
and it took u 20 mins
and ur calling me a noob
lolololol
Me: why waste the lead? Im in no hurry
Him: thx blizz matchmaking
for placing me
a noob
against someone of such a similar skill level
Me: rofl, u lost to one then
Him: u barely beat one
with a cheese dick strat (again, this was a 6 hellion expand, very standard)
and now youre losing at life
cause ur clearly more mad about winning than I am about losing
lolololol
Me: U ever watch pros? I expanded as I hit with those hellions.... it wasnt cheeze
trololololol
***** has left the game
Rofl, most hilarious BM I have ever gotten. I give out my fair share as well, but I dont think I've ever had any that makes as poor sense as that! and besides, if he split his drones, he might have been able to stay around.... lol
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Was playing a TvP in my Diamond league yesterday, and I was doing my all-time favorite build, the old iEchoic 2port Banshee. Yes, it's ugly, but I still win a surprising amount with it, and love flying around with banshees (often at the cost of my macro). Anyways, he decides to open blind pheonix, which is great except for the part where he has no robo, in other words, no detection. Anyways, after killing a nice number of probes and fending off his counterattack when he finally gets an observer out. At this point, he's pretty much out of the game, as I have 2 bases and I'm taking a 3rd, while he's struggling to resaturate his natural. At this point, he throws out a quick comment:
Him: "terran can do anything"
Me: "more or less"
While my banshees have been running amok (he didn't have the greatest observer positioning) I've been getting a nice ball of marine/marauder and a few ghosts. I move in for the kill...
Him: "this is the part where you just EMP and I can't win no matter what"
In the spirit of fair play, I didn't fire a single EMP.
Build detection. It's pretty good.
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On February 08 2012 08:39 CaptainCrush wrote:So its prob really simple but for the life of me I cant figure out how to screen print the convo the right way so I'll just type it here.... I'mn a terran, facing a zerg on shakuras today. We start very normal, close air positions. I go hellion expand and go up his ramp with 6 hellions. I killed all but 6 because he had horrible spine placement (only 1) and he grouped all his drones together and tried to run.... + Show Spoiler +
Him:gg
Me:gg
A few mins go past
Me: this a joke?
Him: Youre a fucking joke, I hate you
Me: rofl, please leave
Him: kk
Several more mins go by and he thinks he can win with a muta harass.... he amasses about 20 and tries to attack right as I move out, I purposely left 2 thors behind.... I kill nat and main as well as all tech structures...
Me: gg noob
Him: haha, ur such a bitch u killed ALL my drones
and it took u 20 mins
and ur calling me a noob
lolololol
Me: why waste the lead? Im in no hurry
Him: thx blizz matchmaking
for placing me
a noob
against someone of such a similar skill level
Me: rofl, u lost to one then
Him: u barely beat one
with a cheese dick strat (again, this was a 6 hellion expand, very standard)
and now youre losing at life
cause ur clearly more mad about winning than I am about losing
lolololol
Me: U ever watch pros? I expanded as I hit with those hellions.... it wasnt cheeze
trololololol
***** has left the game
Rofl, most hilarious BM I have ever gotten. I give out my fair share as well, but I dont think I've ever had any that makes as poor sense as that! and besides, if he split his drones, he might have been able to stay around.... lol
On December 11 2010 12:30 ZeromuS wrote:
NEW RULE: DO NOT POST YOUR OWN BM!!!!!! Post you getting bm'ed please its funnier that way. Think "Did I starcraft Rage? Did he starcraft rage and I just sit passively? If the answer is yes to the second question then please post :D
More people need to read this
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not really BM but it made me laugh
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On February 08 2012 11:32 GypsyBeast wrote:not really BM but it made me laugh
Not really bm but damn WTF why? O.O So weird
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On February 08 2012 06:14 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 05:30 jinorazi wrote:On February 07 2012 07:26 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 07 2012 02:50 BeeNu wrote:On February 07 2012 02:31 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 02:06 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I got into an RvR (that's random vs random) on Antiga Shipyard, we roll TvP. After the game:
*image*
I challenged him to a rematch, best race vs best race but he didn't respond. I play Random from time to time on my offracing account and I get stuff like this a lot too. When you get RvR, do they leave half the time? They always seem to when I get it. The other day I got an RvR, and as soon as he scouted it was PvP he left the game. Then I immediately got matched with him again and he rolled Terran and I rolled Protoss and he proxy 2port banshee rushed me. I've also had RvR where they just auto-leave. I don't get it. Or they do dumb stuff, like an RvR where the guy didn't scout until after going forge first (I guess he assumed I was zerg?) and I was Terran so I just did gasless 1rax expand into 4rax marine pressure and killed his expansion since he walled off but made no cannons. It was odd. The reason they leave in RvR is because they are playing Random to get an unfair advantage in the first place, if they are matched against another random player their unfair advantage disappears and they might actually have to put effort into winning the match so it's easier for them to just leave and queue up again rather than scout and play without blind coin flip cheese. This also explains why in RvR they might simply do something odd and incredibly coin-flippy like blindly going Forge First, these players are used to simply flipping coins for their wins in the first place so scouting isn't important to them it's just luck. Exactly this. You shouldn't even be allowed to play random. There's nothing more frustrating than a random player who plays incredibly greedy with like a nexus first and you just have to use a super safe build because you don't know which race the guy is. I usually always 1 rax expand and obviously wall-in when I play against random because it's the safest build after all against all races, and then I get like owned because my opponent went nexus first and I scouted him last, so I'm already really far behind or I get tank rushed in TvT, because I build a wall-in, in case the random player is zerg and with a 1 rax expo there's no way you can get tanks out soon enough to stop him from tank rushing your wall-in. It's risky metagame nonsense and they know exactly that they have an advantage and abuse it as hard as they can. I think when someone picks random it should show you the race he got at the beginning of the game. It's just really frustrating when you 1rax expo vs. a zerg, no way you can put pressure on him because you only have 1 rax and if he wants he can drone like a madman and take an early third and there's nothing you can do, just because you were forced to play safe... edit: The option to play "random" shouldn't exist. If you want to play random you should just have to pick the races in order. 1st game terran, 2nd game protoss, 3rd game zerg, 4th game terran, 5th game protoss, and so on and so forth. There's your random and you actually have a fair game every single time. How about that? LOL awwwww so when you lose to random player, instead of giving credit to the player learning all 9 match up, all fault is pointed towards the "randomer's advantage" on why you would lose? just scout early, random protoss going nexus first and a regular protoss going nexus first is no different. This. I play Random almost exclusively and I laugh whenever someone tries to claim it's an unfair advantage. 1 Rax expand can be safe in any matchup, if not ideal in TvZ, so I'm not sure what that guy is complaining about anyways. Maybe he should try to learn safe openers in 9 different matchups.
You say all this with such confidence. But just the fact that you think 1 rax expand is good, no... you even go as far as to say that it is "ideal" in TvZ pretty much proves that you know next to nothing about the matchup, which just backs up my assumption that random players always cheese, otherwise you would probably have a grasp on why 1 rax expand is not good let alone ideal in TvZ. It's by far one of the worst builds you could possibly do in that matchup, by far, there aren't any other common openings I can think of that could be possibly worse than a 1 rax expand vs. Zerg. See, it's posts like yours that are extremely satisfying for someone like me. I assume that random players always cheese and then a random player says something that is so obviously wrong and claims to know "safe openers in 9 different matchups".... it's just a contradiction and proves exactly my point. Thanks for that.
edit: Like seriously, do you even follow professional starcraft at all? When's the last time you have seen someone 1 rax expand vs. a Zerg? Did you not notice how all early TvZ builds are pressure builds in one way or another, even the greediest terran opener is a pressure build (3CC hellion opening), it's just absolutely unthinkable to me that you have any idea of TvZ and standard TvZ play when you make claims like this.
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On February 08 2012 11:34 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:32 GypsyBeast wrote:not really BM but it made me laugh Not really bm but damn WTF why? O.O So weird
he 6 pool spine crawler rushed me and he explained that hios buddy always beats him with it so he was seeing how other people stop it, i guessing he was roleplayng as his buddy lol
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On February 08 2012 05:06 wunsun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I was playing a 3v3 and I went reaper and hellions all game long. Killed about 150 workers, and cancelled/killed off 5 expos.
That's great and all, but does he think you're gay?
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On February 08 2012 12:38 rbx270j wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 05:06 wunsun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I was playing a 3v3 and I went reaper and hellions all game long. Killed about 150 workers, and cancelled/killed off 5 expos. That's great and all, but does he think you're gay?
I just harassed them to death. I think that particular person I brought down to 3-4 probes at one point, and I don't think he ever got to above 30 after that. Maybe not even 20.
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On February 08 2012 09:00 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:39 CaptainCrush wrote:So its prob really simple but for the life of me I cant figure out how to screen print the convo the right way so I'll just type it here.... I'mn a terran, facing a zerg on shakuras today. We start very normal, close air positions. I go hellion expand and go up his ramp with 6 hellions. I killed all but 6 because he had horrible spine placement (only 1) and he grouped all his drones together and tried to run.... + Show Spoiler +
Him:gg
Me:gg
A few mins go past
Me: this a joke?
Him: Youre a fucking joke, I hate you
Me: rofl, please leave
Him: kk
Several more mins go by and he thinks he can win with a muta harass.... he amasses about 20 and tries to attack right as I move out, I purposely left 2 thors behind.... I kill nat and main as well as all tech structures...
Me: gg noob
Him: haha, ur such a bitch u killed ALL my drones
and it took u 20 mins
and ur calling me a noob
lolololol
Me: why waste the lead? Im in no hurry
Him: thx blizz matchmaking
for placing me
a noob
against someone of such a similar skill level
Me: rofl, u lost to one then
Him: u barely beat one
with a cheese dick strat (again, this was a 6 hellion expand, very standard)
and now youre losing at life
cause ur clearly more mad about winning than I am about losing
lolololol
Me: U ever watch pros? I expanded as I hit with those hellions.... it wasnt cheeze
trololololol
***** has left the game
Rofl, most hilarious BM I have ever gotten. I give out my fair share as well, but I dont think I've ever had any that makes as poor sense as that! and besides, if he split his drones, he might have been able to stay around.... lol Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 12:30 ZeromuS wrote:
NEW RULE: DO NOT POST YOUR OWN BM!!!!!! Post you getting bm'ed please its funnier that way. Think "Did I starcraft Rage? Did he starcraft rage and I just sit passively? If the answer is yes to the second question then please post :D More people need to read this
I still thought it was funny nonetheless.
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On February 08 2012 11:48 ChaosTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:14 ZasZ. wrote:On February 08 2012 05:30 jinorazi wrote:On February 07 2012 07:26 ChaosTerran wrote:On February 07 2012 02:50 BeeNu wrote:On February 07 2012 02:31 Ben... wrote:On February 07 2012 02:06 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I got into an RvR (that's random vs random) on Antiga Shipyard, we roll TvP. After the game:
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I challenged him to a rematch, best race vs best race but he didn't respond. I play Random from time to time on my offracing account and I get stuff like this a lot too. When you get RvR, do they leave half the time? They always seem to when I get it. The other day I got an RvR, and as soon as he scouted it was PvP he left the game. Then I immediately got matched with him again and he rolled Terran and I rolled Protoss and he proxy 2port banshee rushed me. I've also had RvR where they just auto-leave. I don't get it. Or they do dumb stuff, like an RvR where the guy didn't scout until after going forge first (I guess he assumed I was zerg?) and I was Terran so I just did gasless 1rax expand into 4rax marine pressure and killed his expansion since he walled off but made no cannons. It was odd. The reason they leave in RvR is because they are playing Random to get an unfair advantage in the first place, if they are matched against another random player their unfair advantage disappears and they might actually have to put effort into winning the match so it's easier for them to just leave and queue up again rather than scout and play without blind coin flip cheese. This also explains why in RvR they might simply do something odd and incredibly coin-flippy like blindly going Forge First, these players are used to simply flipping coins for their wins in the first place so scouting isn't important to them it's just luck. Exactly this. You shouldn't even be allowed to play random. There's nothing more frustrating than a random player who plays incredibly greedy with like a nexus first and you just have to use a super safe build because you don't know which race the guy is. I usually always 1 rax expand and obviously wall-in when I play against random because it's the safest build after all against all races, and then I get like owned because my opponent went nexus first and I scouted him last, so I'm already really far behind or I get tank rushed in TvT, because I build a wall-in, in case the random player is zerg and with a 1 rax expo there's no way you can get tanks out soon enough to stop him from tank rushing your wall-in. It's risky metagame nonsense and they know exactly that they have an advantage and abuse it as hard as they can. I think when someone picks random it should show you the race he got at the beginning of the game. It's just really frustrating when you 1rax expo vs. a zerg, no way you can put pressure on him because you only have 1 rax and if he wants he can drone like a madman and take an early third and there's nothing you can do, just because you were forced to play safe... edit: The option to play "random" shouldn't exist. If you want to play random you should just have to pick the races in order. 1st game terran, 2nd game protoss, 3rd game zerg, 4th game terran, 5th game protoss, and so on and so forth. There's your random and you actually have a fair game every single time. How about that? LOL awwwww so when you lose to random player, instead of giving credit to the player learning all 9 match up, all fault is pointed towards the "randomer's advantage" on why you would lose? just scout early, random protoss going nexus first and a regular protoss going nexus first is no different. This. I play Random almost exclusively and I laugh whenever someone tries to claim it's an unfair advantage. 1 Rax expand can be safe in any matchup, if not ideal in TvZ, so I'm not sure what that guy is complaining about anyways. Maybe he should try to learn safe openers in 9 different matchups. You say all this with such confidence. But just the fact that you think 1 rax expand is good, no... you even go as far as to say that it is "ideal" in TvZ pretty much proves that you know next to nothing about the matchup, which just backs up my assumption that random players always cheese, otherwise you would probably have a grasp on why 1 rax expand is not good let alone ideal in TvZ. It's by far one of the worst builds you could possibly do in that matchup, by far, there aren't any other common openings I can think of that could be possibly worse than a 1 rax expand vs. Zerg. See, it's posts like yours that are extremely satisfying for someone like me. I assume that random players always cheese and then a random player says something that is so obviously wrong and claims to know "safe openers in 9 different matchups".... it's just a contradiction and proves exactly my point. Thanks for that. edit: Like seriously, do you even follow professional starcraft at all? When's the last time you have seen someone 1 rax expand vs. a Zerg? Did you not notice how all early TvZ builds are pressure builds in one way or another, even the greediest terran opener is a pressure build (3CC hellion opening), it's just absolutely unthinkable to me that you have any idea of TvZ and standard TvZ play when you make claims like this.
Except he said it is NOT ideal v zerg. As in "it is still viable, even if not ideal v zerg." Regardless of his poor and ambiguous grammar, the message is clear from context -- 1 rax expand is safe in all match-ups, even against zerg, though it is not ideal. Also, I've seen Kawaii Rice and other strong terrans go 1 rax gasless expo into delayed reactor hellion (2nd rax before fact).
I don't play random, but there is no way the "random advantage" makes up for the "random disadvantage" of playing all the races. I always assume cheese, and am usually right. There are IMO many better things to cry about than "random advantage."
Also, tone down the hostility.
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Russian Federation164 Posts
well.. seems very well-mannered to me o_O
he was kinda way behind and sorried for not leaving sooner, right?
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You know, I posted once here.. And it was not-that-much of a BM (7 RR, said: 'tell gg to blizzard' XD)
So, with a few exceptions, I'm kinda surprised how rarely do I meet BM when play 1v1.
Obviously, my account is RU/EU, so... Do you think NA ladder is less mannered than the others?
p.s. fix it 3rd time, typos in every single paragraph, so good XD
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Russian Federation164 Posts
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