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the way to become a pro is to be good enough and to win and get results. That's how it is.
You don't move to South Korea before you are good enough.
Climb ladder. Get top 200. Join Tournaments. Get far. Win a few. Get approached by a small team / sponsor. Go for Local LANs. Get results like PainUser did. A big sponsor approaches. Go for overseas LANs. Get good results. Go to South Korea, Get code A. Get code S. Then you will be Idra's level.
For what its worth though, i know plenty of people who has no RTS background and got into 2000+ diamond just since release ( thats about 4 months?)
Do what you want though.
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I admire your dedication, but I really think you should just concentrate on high school. Actually, I'm right around your MMR/points on the ladder, and I also play Zerg. But I see playing SC as a complement to my real life. I'm in graduate school right now (law) and I think it's nice to play to maintain the work/fun balance in my life. I don't have any illusions about going pro, however. I haven't even attempted to join a tournament.
But I would also encourage you, if you're 100% dead-set on it, give it a shot. Just don't sacrifice your studies entirely to do so. Only play as much as you can while still maintaining the grades to have a back-up plan.
Above all, good luck!
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I wonder how many people will actually drop their college plans due to points inflation in diamond. Seems kinda obvious and stupid to me.
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Don't play with the intention of going pro. Play with the intention of getting that good and go from there.
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or play to have fun? jesus fucking christ
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Unless you're at least in the top 500 in your region, you shouldn't even think about throwing away your education for this. One might go with the idea that you can't become good enough unless you give ALL your time to the game, but really, if you're dedicated you can probably get to top 500 if you play a LOT in your free time and you're determined to get good.
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On December 11 2010 01:26 Offhand wrote:
I wonder how many people will actually drop their college plans due to points inflation in diamond. Seems kinda obvious and stupid to me.
Haha? You are seriously going to blame point inflation?
Somebody who would drop his college plans because he got tricked by point inlation doesn't belong in college.
Seriously. Some people use everything to prove their narrow-minded ideas.
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On December 11 2010 01:51 Tobberoth wrote:
Unless you're at least in the top 500 in your region, you shouldn't even think about throwing away your education for this. One might go with the idea that you can't become good enough unless you give ALL your time to the game, but really, if you're dedicated you can probably get to top 500 if you play a LOT in your free time and you're determined to get good.
Yeah more like top 100. Top 200 isn't even good players.
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As long as your country has a decent benefits system you'll be fine.....
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Well first get a dartboard. Type and print out multiple team names (eg. Liquid, ROOT, mouz etc....) Now tack the printed names to the board blind fold throw the Darts until you land on a team. Now go to Blizzards website change your name the team name. Now one important part i left out was to make sure you have an awesome name that people will remember. Mission complete.
But on a more serious note if your only top 4000 and you have been playing for eight months you need to get serious. Your saying you want to make this a career so i'm going to be straight with you. Your not good enough. Dont waste your time trying to be serious unless your willing to throw your RL social life away. I mean leave barley enough time to do homework when you get home so you dont get kicked our of school. Spend at least 4-6 hours a day playing nothing but Starcraft then spend the other 18 hours of the day sleeping/thinking of NEW starcraft strategies. If your not willing to put in that amount of effort based on the amount of time you have played (8 months) and your ranking (Top 4000) I can hardly see you being top 200 within the next 4 years.
I'm going to guess thats since your in Jr High your probably lazy ( Like most of us where) like to play starcraft. When you heard that people make a living off of SC you figured it wouldn't be to difficult put 6 hours a day into starcraft but it would be easy since you like to play video games so much. I wouldn't say grow up. But don't think about living off of starcraft for your life. Worry about school and what you will do. Just enjoy playing Starcraft because only 1% of SC players go on to be pros.
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On December 11 2010 02:11 BetterFasterStronger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 01:51 Tobberoth wrote:
Unless you're at least in the top 500 in your region, you shouldn't even think about throwing away your education for this. One might go with the idea that you can't become good enough unless you give ALL your time to the game, but really, if you're dedicated you can probably get to top 500 if you play a LOT in your free time and you're determined to get good. Yeah more like top 100. Top 200 isn't even good players.
Of course they're good, what the hell are you talking about? He just wants to get to the highest tier of good, which depends mostly on him -- how much dedication and talent he has.
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Pocari Sweat, not gonna lie.
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On December 10 2010 13:58 Idmaif wrote:ok, i know this sounds crazy to a ton of people, but i am halfway through my Jr year in highschool, and im working on getting good enough to be able to become pro right after highschool. and i know there are going to be tons of people who say "dont do it! its too risky!" or "your wasting your life" but this is what i am dedicated to do. let me start off by saying how good i actually am right now. so i have been playing for about 8 months, (since beta) and i have improved from pretty low bronze newbie to pretty high diamond because i am a very fast learner. but if i made that much of an improvement in 8 months, another year and half will get me a lot higher. so i am constantly working my way up to get closer to the top 200 where a few of my friends are. here is my profile http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/339086/1/iDreamadroid/so i am not the best in the world yet, but probly around rank 4000 in the US. and of course i will work my way up. so how do people actually start to make a living off of it? do you have to move to korea like IdrA and just find every little tournament plus GSL? cant you join a clan and get sponsored or something? i am just a little unfamiliar of the whole process of how this works. so any productive responses are appreciated, just try to leave out the criticism. but i know that Team Liquid is awesome enough to have less trolls than any other forum. also maybe remember the name iDreamadroid for future years ;D everyone starts somewhere
My advice (jumping on the bandwagon): stay in school and get your degree in something that will give you a stable job in the future, God only knows what the economy is going to be like here in the U.S. in 10 - 15 years.
On a serious note, I doubt you have the capabilities to be a progamer if you played 8 months (since Beta) and are now ~2000pts and rank 4k US. My only RTS experience before SC2 was a bit of BW when I was a kid (gogo moneymaps 1 base mass carrier!) but I played 1v1 for only 3 months on and off to get to where you were (my points are lower now since I have a bunch of bonus piled up), and I'm not very skilled at all.
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After hearing Jinro in ro8 interview saying he plays between 2pm and 5am I was speechless.
Thats some hours put into training right there.
So you gotta have mad skills (I'd say at least top 100 NA or top 100 EU) + dedication + training discipline.
Then attend some tourneys to see how good you really are. And then take it from there.
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"How does one become an expert at SC2?"
The field of cognitive psychology has studied expert performance for many, many years and the answer is... lots and lots of practice: to the tune of 16,000 hours of DELIBERATE PRACTICE for gifted musicians (that is why starting early in life is so key). By deliberate practice, I mean exercizing your mental faculties beyond rote memorization of build orders, etc.
The more you look at expert SC2 players, to more you begin to notice all those little things that they do that make all the difference. Expertise is very "domain specific", meaning that being an expert in SC2 will not necessarily translate to Warcraft, etc. Despite the domain-specific nature of expertise, there are some general components that distinguish novices from experts, such as:
- the organization of their knowledge
- reasoning strategies
- pattern-recognition capabilities
- meta-cognitive abilities (i.e. game-sense, etc.).
Individuals’ domain knowledge may be one important determinant of whether you truly are an expert. Experts with highly competent performance have easy and fast access to relevant information and are able to view problem situations in qualitatively distinct ways. Expertise studies have “suggested that the superior performance of experts can be explained in terms of their better- organized, superior domain knowledge” In a classic study in cognitive psych, for example, expert chess players showed substantially better recall for chess position than novices, indicating the number of familiar patterns of pieces held in memory by chess experts are much larger than novices; they have a phenomenal representation of the problem space. The knowledge base of experts also includes an extensive store of representations that can be used in solving problems, actions that can be taken in the solution process, and a variety of other components. Experts generally sort and characterize problems according to basic representations and methods relevant to solving them, whereas novices sort them in terms of surface features that often do not cue the representations that are effective for solving them. In addition, experts have been found to generate a complex representation of the encountered situation, where information about the context is integrated with knowledge to allow selection, evaluation, checking, and reasoning about alternative actions.
Yes, I have a PhD in the cognitive sciences 
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Well first of all I have to say that I am sorry but I agree with the many that your points and stats dont look like you were above average.
But I guess you could possibly get good enough if you really worked on it hard as others said;).
I would nonetheless finish school cause IF it doesnt work out well then you at least have a backup;).
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high diamond won't really get you anywhere. You need to win tournaments. A lot of tournaments.
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On December 11 2010 02:18 ProtossGirl wrote:
As long as your country has a decent benefits system you'll be fine.....
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Lol, I'm assuming this is a shot at Englands entitlement programs?
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my heart goes out to you, im not a pro so this might be wrong but i think you should just try to play the effing F out the game online & TL opens & going to tournys ((mlg etc)) to watch not to play watch the pros play & if you train & not give up youll get there, sjow ((i think hes new to sc & he played in dream hack)) gl man
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