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Oxb
Profile Joined August 2010
199 Posts
December 06 2010 07:34 GMT
#21
I'd say go! But make it only possible to post for veteran/pro players while nubies (like me) can still read it and improve our game. Also give it a seperate section on the forum, like a 'pro strategy section'
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
December 06 2010 07:35 GMT
#22
i'm still torn about this.

Especially because i think Pros have vested interests in the sense that if they discover some sick imba strategy, why would they share it to their potential opponents. If i were them, i'll just use the opportunity to abuse that strategy and win some tournaments before the strategy catches fire and get nerfed.

Sure we can have some discussion going on but pros have very little incentive to make those public. They probably already discuss such stuff among their teams anyway. Just like how the Liquid guys supposedly devised anti-idra strats, they won't reveal it on the Strategy forum beforehand.

Also, things like sockfolding and f1 worker spreading trick came from people who were arguably not "pro" unless i'm horribly mistaken. A pro only forum might stunt the development of such new strategies by so called "commoners"

That said, the Strategy forum is quite awful nowadays and some quality control is in order. How, i'm not so sure.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 07:47:19
December 06 2010 07:39 GMT
#23
On December 06 2010 16:27 potatomash3r wrote:
Cool idea. But Pros wont have the time of day to post and theorycraft, they're too busy actually playing the game.

Nor do they want to share strategies publicly.

I know people like IdrA/Nony/Inc have the same addiction to TL like most of us do, but they're also kind of rare among the top players. If you stick the top 200 NA players in their own forum, how much discussion do you think will really take place?
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Dayvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States77 Posts
December 06 2010 08:25 GMT
#24
Well, I think some discussion would be preferable to none at all - and there is the possibility of the discussion growing among higher level players if the forum is successful.

On another note, I don't think it says anywhere that players must only discuss their own strategies. Personally, I'd love to see high level discussion of GSL games and other games from the pros themselves on TL without low diamonds and below trying to showcase their understanding of the game (or lack thereof).
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
December 06 2010 08:28 GMT
#25
A repost of mine from the thread in SC2 General.

Just a note about pro players posting ANYWHERE about ANYTHING Starcraft 2 related.

These guys are out there playing SC2 for money. While we have excellent players like Day[9] educating the masses, pros who play for money are actually negatively impacted by posting on a strategy forum. The better the collective whole of players get, the harder it is for the pros to beat their competition. So I doubt we will be having TLO or IdrA come on down and give us some zerg 101 lessons. That is why we have Day[9]. Sen, Psy, etc.

I think that instead of a X points on ladder sort of deal, we should have a subforum where players who did well in say...64+ person tournaments can post. Maybe if they got to RO4 or higher. Is it perfect? No. But it does make it a little easier to handle since we have that nice SC2 Tourneys subforum and a quick PM to any of the regular tournament organizers would be pretty simple.

Since in general money is on the line for tournaments, people are generally motivated to win and they cannot consistently cheese their way through a tournament due to their opponents actually being decent players.

My 2 cents.
In Roaches I Rust.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 06 2010 08:36 GMT
#26
Give mods rights to invite and see whether it's active or not among the top players discussion.

Start from Grand master league and see who'll be active in the forums. Best way to start this thing is to make it simple as possible in my opinion. Just to get things started to move it to a better way in the future. Sometimes instead of thinking you just got to do it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Dayvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States77 Posts
December 06 2010 08:39 GMT
#27
I understand the reasons why a pro wouldn't want to share the strategies they're about to use in tournament play with the rest of the internet - but who says they can't talk about the strategies of their peers or perhaps strategies that they've already used and are well known?

What I don't understand is why people do so much theorizing on whether or not pros would be game to this... why not just try and see how it turns out? Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've heard qxc (not in the most recent State of the Game), Idra, Artosis, and iNcontrol all talk about the topic as if they try to contribute to the strategy forum and wish their views had more recognition and that they received more worthwhile criticism.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 08:42:42
December 06 2010 08:40 GMT
#28
Maybe these threads could simply have an option to hide posts from everyone that hasn't been added to a whitelist? You could click "show all" if you really wanted so see those posts, and other users wouldn't necessarily be prohibited.

I'm thinking.. "January Pro-Gamer Strategy Discussion"
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 08:43:04
December 06 2010 08:41 GMT
#29
The problem is more along the lines of who do you invite and will those people who are invited even post at all to make it a sustainable forum. The answers to these questions are connected as the more people you invite, the more active it'll be. But then again, the more people you invite, the more you lose the point of the entire forum. Where do you draw the line for it to be a useful feature?
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
December 06 2010 08:42 GMT
#30
sorry but I can't seem to figure out how people listen to this live, can someone please enlighten me?
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
December 06 2010 08:43 GMT
#31
I don't think pros care enough to make these sort of threads. If they do, it'd only be for our benefit.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 06 2010 08:49 GMT
#32
On December 06 2010 17:39 Dayvan wrote:
Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've heard qxc (not in the most recent State of the Game), Idra, Artosis, and iNcontrol all talk about the topic as if they try to contribute to the strategy forum and wish their views had more recognition and that they received more worthwhile criticism.

You're wrong.

When qxc/IdrA/Artosis/etc. post, people notice. The people that don't get noticed are the lower level of top players, who do post but then get shit on by a plethora of terrible posters. It's hard for anyone to find the good posts, because they're so hugely outnumbered. Excluding them from everyone else partially solves it, but it doesn't ensure content and it lowers the bar for the rest of the forums. Also, I'm not sure that all of the top players are capable of quality OP/discussion either, although I love a WCG USA thread as much as anyone. Ultimately, we're trying to avoid the glass wall that a forum like ArenaJunkies has created, but like Inc said, there are other possible solutions.
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zerotol
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium508 Posts
December 06 2010 08:50 GMT
#33
This goes completely against anything TL members stand for.
Everybody should be able to chime in and give their opinion. Stupid opinions will be refuted and even low level players (degrading term as it mostly used here..) can give some insightfull information.

Segregation is just plain bad. I can already image the whine from players who aren't deemed worthy enough..
Now i am become death, the destroyer of worlds
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
December 06 2010 08:54 GMT
#34
As a longterm member of a Arena Junkies, its been proven for several years that the system over there does not work. Ask even the most coveted gladiator over there and they will tell you its absolute garbage, they throw **** at each other on a daily basis. High rated player or even pro does not mean a good post

A system that does work is the Elitist Jerks, which has no requirements other than your post has to be quality. This would require the mods in TL.net to work overtime tough, which may not be possible.

★ Top Gun ★
Creegz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada354 Posts
December 06 2010 08:55 GMT
#35
Honestly, if we can all ready it, it wouldn't be bad. Posting would be different, and reserved for lets say, Diamond players with a rank of X or above. I think it'd be an interesting idea to say the least.
Who is this guy? ^
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
December 06 2010 08:58 GMT
#36
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Ameba-AZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States79 Posts
December 06 2010 09:02 GMT
#37
On December 06 2010 16:11 infinitestory wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126517

this has been discussed to death in the past few months


After reading this along with the responses on this are people more leaning towards pro's only, or are they leaning towards higher level diamond players, or what kind of range?

I'm curious if there's any way to somehow associate battle.net profiles to TL accounts, I know that's probably something that would need quite a bit of working out by the TL staff, something like sending an authentication e-mail to their battle.net e-mail in order to make sure people don't just list random chars, but again something like this would be more if it was something that would be like higher level diamond players instead of just pros....

Just some of the question I had about the matter, but none the less it would be cool either way.
I sometimes do something other then play Starcraft... Rarely.
FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
December 06 2010 09:08 GMT
#38
On December 06 2010 17:50 zerotol wrote:
This goes completely against anything TL members stand for.
Everybody should be able to chime in and give their opinion. Stupid opinions will be refuted and even low level players (degrading term as it mostly used here..) can give some insightfull information.

Segregation is just plain bad. I can already image the whine from players who aren't deemed worthy enough..


While "bad" players can of course come up with interesting ideas and contribute, it would be great to have a forum where the Pros can discuss in depth without a newb dashing in and saying something like "123123123123123MMMimba!".

It would result in high quality posts where you would have to take your time to read through but can take alot of correct and quality information.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
December 06 2010 09:10 GMT
#39
a new section for progames would be nice _IF_ others can read it too.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 09:18:06
December 06 2010 09:16 GMT
#40
last time this was discussed i was against it, caus i don't like how seperating TL members ect

but now i changed my mind, fuck it, strategy forum are a complete mess, so im for this idea

HOWEVER, make it so it's only pro's(as in the exclusive members) no random TL veteran/users we never seen do good in tournaments ect. If it's gonna be like that atleast make it so it's the good players, not all the "wanna-be good" TL posters

Edit: haven't heard SOTG yet so i had to skipped most of the OP in case there was certain spoilers
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