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Oxb
199 Posts
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dtz
5834 Posts
Especially because i think Pros have vested interests in the sense that if they discover some sick imba strategy, why would they share it to their potential opponents. If i were them, i'll just use the opportunity to abuse that strategy and win some tournaments before the strategy catches fire and get nerfed. Sure we can have some discussion going on but pros have very little incentive to make those public. They probably already discuss such stuff among their teams anyway. Just like how the Liquid guys supposedly devised anti-idra strats, they won't reveal it on the Strategy forum beforehand. Also, things like sockfolding and f1 worker spreading trick came from people who were arguably not "pro" unless i'm horribly mistaken. A pro only forum might stunt the development of such new strategies by so called "commoners" That said, the Strategy forum is quite awful nowadays and some quality control is in order. How, i'm not so sure. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 06 2010 16:27 potatomash3r wrote: Cool idea. But Pros wont have the time of day to post and theorycraft, they're too busy actually playing the game. Nor do they want to share strategies publicly. I know people like IdrA/Nony/Inc have the same addiction to TL like most of us do, but they're also kind of rare among the top players. If you stick the top 200 NA players in their own forum, how much discussion do you think will really take place? | ||
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Dayvan
United States77 Posts
On another note, I don't think it says anywhere that players must only discuss their own strategies. Personally, I'd love to see high level discussion of GSL games and other games from the pros themselves on TL without low diamonds and below trying to showcase their understanding of the game (or lack thereof). | ||
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Bair
United States698 Posts
Just a note about pro players posting ANYWHERE about ANYTHING Starcraft 2 related. These guys are out there playing SC2 for money. While we have excellent players like Day[9] educating the masses, pros who play for money are actually negatively impacted by posting on a strategy forum. The better the collective whole of players get, the harder it is for the pros to beat their competition. So I doubt we will be having TLO or IdrA come on down and give us some zerg 101 lessons. That is why we have Day[9]. Sen, Psy, etc. I think that instead of a X points on ladder sort of deal, we should have a subforum where players who did well in say...64+ person tournaments can post. Maybe if they got to RO4 or higher. Is it perfect? No. But it does make it a little easier to handle since we have that nice SC2 Tourneys subforum and a quick PM to any of the regular tournament organizers would be pretty simple. Since in general money is on the line for tournaments, people are generally motivated to win and they cannot consistently cheese their way through a tournament due to their opponents actually being decent players. My 2 cents. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
Start from Grand master league and see who'll be active in the forums. Best way to start this thing is to make it simple as possible in my opinion. Just to get things started to move it to a better way in the future. Sometimes instead of thinking you just got to do it. | ||
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Dayvan
United States77 Posts
What I don't understand is why people do so much theorizing on whether or not pros would be game to this... why not just try and see how it turns out? Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've heard qxc (not in the most recent State of the Game), Idra, Artosis, and iNcontrol all talk about the topic as if they try to contribute to the strategy forum and wish their views had more recognition and that they received more worthwhile criticism. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
I'm thinking.. "January Pro-Gamer Strategy Discussion" | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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rally_point
Canada458 Posts
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 06 2010 17:39 Dayvan wrote: Stop me if I'm wrong, but I believe I've heard qxc (not in the most recent State of the Game), Idra, Artosis, and iNcontrol all talk about the topic as if they try to contribute to the strategy forum and wish their views had more recognition and that they received more worthwhile criticism. You're wrong.  When qxc/IdrA/Artosis/etc. post, people notice. The people that don't get noticed are the lower level of top players, who do post but then get shit on by a plethora of terrible posters. It's hard for anyone to find the good posts, because they're so hugely outnumbered. Excluding them from everyone else partially solves it, but it doesn't ensure content and it lowers the bar for the rest of the forums. Also, I'm not sure that all of the top players are capable of quality OP/discussion either, although I love a WCG USA thread as much as anyone. Ultimately, we're trying to avoid the glass wall that a forum like ArenaJunkies has created, but like Inc said, there are other possible solutions. | ||
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
Everybody should be able to chime in and give their opinion. Stupid opinions will be refuted and even low level players (degrading term as it mostly used here..) can give some insightfull information. Segregation is just plain bad. I can already image the whine from players who aren't deemed worthy enough.. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
A system that does work is the Elitist Jerks, which has no requirements other than your post has to be quality. This would require the mods in TL.net to work overtime tough, which may not be possible. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
1664 Posts
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Ameba-AZ
United States79 Posts
On December 06 2010 16:11 infinitestory wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126517 this has been discussed to death in the past few months After reading this along with the responses on this are people more leaning towards pro's only, or are they leaning towards higher level diamond players, or what kind of range? I'm curious if there's any way to somehow associate battle.net profiles to TL accounts, I know that's probably something that would need quite a bit of working out by the TL staff, something like sending an authentication e-mail to their battle.net e-mail in order to make sure people don't just list random chars, but again something like this would be more if it was something that would be like higher level diamond players instead of just pros.... Just some of the question I had about the matter, but none the less it would be cool either way. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
On December 06 2010 17:50 zerotol wrote: This goes completely against anything TL members stand for. Everybody should be able to chime in and give their opinion. Stupid opinions will be refuted and even low level players (degrading term as it mostly used here..) can give some insightfull information. Segregation is just plain bad. I can already image the whine from players who aren't deemed worthy enough.. While "bad" players can of course come up with interesting ideas and contribute, it would be great to have a forum where the Pros can discuss in depth without a newb dashing in and saying something like "123123123123123MMMimba!". It would result in high quality posts where you would have to take your time to read through but can take alot of correct and quality information. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
but now i changed my mind, fuck it, strategy forum are a complete mess, so im for this idea HOWEVER, make it so it's only pro's(as in the exclusive members) no random TL veteran/users we never seen do good in tournaments ect. If it's gonna be like that atleast make it so it's the good players, not all the "wanna-be good" TL posters Edit: haven't heard SOTG yet so i had to skipped most of the OP in case there was certain spoilers | ||
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