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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
December 07 2010 02:38 GMT
#81
Pros aren't going to want to give away their strategies willy-nilly, as TLO said.
qxc
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States550 Posts
December 07 2010 02:38 GMT
#82
seems reasonable. I might be interested... usually prefer talking with my team though
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46310 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 02:39:41
December 07 2010 02:39 GMT
#83
On December 06 2010 16:12 Kennigit wrote:
We've been talking about this since before Beta even started. We have a number of solutions - they are in the pipeline.


Yay Hopefully a new section is made!

Reading the forum would be pretty awesome; it would shed a lot of light on what the top-tier gamers are doing.

I wonder what the criteria would be to be able to post in that forum...

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Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
December 07 2010 02:52 GMT
#84
On December 07 2010 07:35 aquanda wrote:
Pros won't share secrets or how tos on how to be uber. There is simply no incentive for them.

However, there is a huge disparity between pro and high level diamond, as well as silver and high diamond. I don't think a pro forum would work, but separating the casual player who likes to make incorrect asumptions based on his lack of experience from a high diamond player who has over 1k games played at a competitive level would be a huge step in a positive direction.



Hi Aquanda...

There is a huge disconnect between what a 2200 diamond player can do and a true elite/pro player. That's why certain builds work for pros and seem to have so many holes against solid (1800-2200) diamond players.

And yes, that's what teams are for its doubtful that you would find too much quality here.

I remember spending late, late nights with the aBs guys and Hurkyl on the GX server and working on the perfect timings in TvP on both sides. For all the discussion it was a lot more games. I think this is much more of how you find the progamming teams play. One person will just play extremely standard and solid and the other will keep trying different strategies to find a hole in it. (or vice versa)

Obviously with replays now you can just pause the replay and see where someone is at a certain point and then try using builds to beat the timer to get the unit combo you want when you would need it verse that build.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
December 07 2010 02:53 GMT
#85
On December 07 2010 11:36 MjrBuzz wrote:
I was a little disconcerted when they discussed this on SOTG. They had mention one idea was around posts counts. As a several year lurker, a recent sign up, and only occasional poster, why should my opinion be invalidated because I don't spam a response on every thread. If a post count requirement was created you will run into even more spam so individuals could meet this requirement.

I know this has been mentioned in the past but balance discussions derail more threads than anything else on here. With the PTR, and 2 more expansions on the way, these balance discussions are not going away.Simply create a balance sub-forum. Any discussion of race or unit balance should be done here only. All other forums should take the mentality of the game is 100% balanced. And any attempts to derail with balance discussion should be addressed/redirected via a mod. This would allow one specific area for balance discussion and leave everywhere else to productive and healthy discussion.

The strategy section should be an area for strategic advice. It's all about trying things out and finding what works for you. It should not be a golden singular answer. Where the strategy section and even several threads in sc2 general has turned into a joke is from the imba imba responses. I love TL and want to see it remain the top non-Korean SC resource.

I'm pretty sure that the idea is to have players at a certain skill level, not a certain post count. There would still be a strategy forum for everyone else, there'd just be another one for people to see what pro-level players think.
Absolutely agree about balance whining, but that's not really on-topic (and there's that whole stupid auto-reply of 'whining about whining' but I digress).
will.pity
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia89 Posts
December 07 2010 02:53 GMT
#86
I think an easier solution, which would not require a new forum section would be simply a thumbs up/down of posts. For example if someone asks about the reasons for the current zerg metagame. As people respond you can simply +1/-1 to the strength of their posts, then just have a simple -5, limit where that post is automatically spoilered/minimised. Of course admins would have more strength and if you wanted you could give bonus's to 'pros'.

The only hurdle is making sure a user can only thumbs down a post once.
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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
December 07 2010 02:55 GMT
#87
Even if only pros could post there, if the rest of us could read and benefit from us, you know there's only gonna be a ton of response threads in the General or Strategy forums pulling quotes out of context and criticizing/arguing about what the pros say to each other.

Just because the response isn't in the actual thread itself doesn't mean it's not gonna happen. Too many trolls, man.
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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
December 07 2010 02:58 GMT
#88
I think its really interesting to see that overall, people seem to be much more responsive to this idea in the past. Maybe its that it seems more possible logistically now than it was then. As I recall the main argument was that the highest tier of players wouldn't want to give away strategies and that sorting through people who were below that to see who gets it doesn't have an easy solution.
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
December 07 2010 03:00 GMT
#89
i agree 100%.
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MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
December 07 2010 03:06 GMT
#90
Yes. I can see this working well for the progamers. It would be neat if everyone could read it. :3
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
December 07 2010 03:08 GMT
#91
While I think some pros may not give away strategies, that doesn't mean that all pros won't share their strategies. I'm sure even the most secretive of pros will attempt to at least provide feedback to the strats posted by others.

And reading the posts from the big names always makes me feel giddy.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13085 Posts
December 07 2010 03:17 GMT
#92
Well just an opinion from a " die hard " BW fan here. Just for the record I dont play SC2 .

I thought that SC2 will suck hardcore but maybe I was little bit close minded at start. Now I watch GSL( only this for SC2 ) whenever I can . In my opinion the game aint that bad as i thought it would be but infact its really good ( not at the lvl of BW for me right now ) and got unlimited potential to be even better than BW.

The game from a spectating point of view is interesting but in a different way from BW because of the game engine and its a different game duh. I love the races especially the zerg with the new Queen and the protoss aint half bad with the warp . Terran.... well marauders are imba with stim + slow shells. I think you need only one of those abilites or do the stim more HP consuming that its right now.

The balance is preety good for a new game and the only thing thats terrible I think are the maps and Blizzard greedy way of trying to exploit the game to the max. Like selling 3 copies of the full game is not enough and needing more copies to play on and tons of other stuff that I dont have time to count right now because im going to sleep so I can watch GSL tomorow !

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vakiha
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada20 Posts
December 07 2010 03:23 GMT
#93
Personally I prefer something like the old Liquipedia Strategic Q&A rather than a dedicated subforum. The Q&As were really insightful and I wish someone would do them again for SC2.
s4m222
Profile Joined March 2010
United States272 Posts
December 07 2010 03:25 GMT
#94
even if it wasnt, limited by the site or moderator... even to just split up the strategy section.

Beginners strategy. (if your fairly new or not sure where to put it, put it here)

Advanced Strategy.

It would at least begin to filter it a bit.

TL is getting to large to stay on 1 SC2 strat section....

Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 03:33:46
December 07 2010 03:30 GMT
#95
On December 07 2010 12:17 SkelA wrote:
Well just an opinion from a " die hard " BW fan here. Just for the record I dont play SC2 .

I thought that SC2 will suck hardcore but maybe I was little bit close minded at start. Now I watch GSL( only this for SC2 ) whenever I can . In my opinion the game aint that bad as i thought it would be but infact its really good ( not at the lvl of BW for me right now ) and got unlimited potential to be even better than BW.

The game from a spectating point of view is interesting but in a different way from BW because of the game engine and its a different game duh. I love the races especially the zerg with the new Queen and the protoss aint half bad with the warp . Terran.... well marauders are imba with stim + slow shells. I think you need only one of those abilites or do the stim more HP consuming that its right now.

The balance is preety good for a new game and the only thing thats terrible I think are the maps and Blizzard greedy way of trying to exploit the game to the max. Like selling 3 copies of the full game is not enough and needing more copies to play on and tons of other stuff that I dont have time to count right now because im going to sleep so I can watch GSL tomorow !


Did you post in the wrong thread?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 07 2010 03:42 GMT
#96
Doesn't matter what we normal players want. If the pros and actual great players don't want such a forum then it won't matter.
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Kazang
Profile Joined August 2010
578 Posts
December 07 2010 03:52 GMT
#97
Although it sounds fine in theory, good players are often terrible posters, extremely biased and opinionated. Which can lead to pretty dire forum, and really without actually quality posting it doesn't matter how good the players are that are allowed to post, bad posting is bad posting.

I voted Yes, but really it would probably fail due to lack of quantity and then quality.

A reputation system or simple up/down vote for posts would go a long way to improving at least the readability of the threads, even if there is a lot of rubbish it can be easily skipped past.
aquanda
Profile Joined January 2003
United States477 Posts
December 07 2010 03:52 GMT
#98
On December 07 2010 11:52 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 07:35 aquanda wrote:
Pros won't share secrets or how tos on how to be uber. There is simply no incentive for them.

However, there is a huge disparity between pro and high level diamond, as well as silver and high diamond. I don't think a pro forum would work, but separating the casual player who likes to make incorrect asumptions based on his lack of experience from a high diamond player who has over 1k games played at a competitive level would be a huge step in a positive direction.



Hi Aquanda...

There is a huge disconnect between what a 2200 diamond player can do and a true elite/pro player. That's why certain builds work for pros and seem to have so many holes against solid (1800-2200) diamond players.

And yes, that's what teams are for its doubtful that you would find too much quality here.

I remember spending late, late nights with the aBs guys and Hurkyl on the GX server and working on the perfect timings in TvP on both sides. For all the discussion it was a lot more games. I think this is much more of how you find the progamming teams play. One person will just play extremely standard and solid and the other will keep trying different strategies to find a hole in it. (or vice versa)

Obviously with replays now you can just pause the replay and see where someone is at a certain point and then try using builds to beat the timer to get the unit combo you want when you would need it verse that build.

Yah I think you misread what I was saying. I actually meant there is a huge difference between high diamond and pros. And there is also a huge difference between silver and high diamond. The level of skill involved going from from silver->high diamond->pro is very large each jump, but I doubt any pros will utilize a forum, even if it's designed for them. The people I would expect to use the forum are the high level diamond players who don't really have aspirations to go professional, but are still very good.
iloveBankai
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia50 Posts
December 07 2010 04:04 GMT
#99
please please please do something like this

the biggest difference i have noticed between good and bad players is how solid the strategies are
Bankai!!!!
Lockindal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States73 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 04:22:45
December 07 2010 04:13 GMT
#100
i just think the strategy forum should be split into sections to make topics easier to go through.
edit for clarity: a help forum, a general discussion forum, and a build order forum.
I wouldnt mind seeing a "top players only" forum but as others have said i do not think it would work. A lot of the times the best strategies are come up by people that are really bad at the game and just take pro implementation to work.
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