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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 09:22:18
December 06 2010 09:20 GMT
#41
It is a great idea in theory but extremely tricky in practice. I think the key to making this fair is to have specific qualifications. For example a top 16 finish at an MLG event or something like that. I would avoid using ladder since that isn't really the best gauge. Although I think this can be done, it might cause more problems than it solves. It could still be worth a beta test though.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
December 06 2010 09:27 GMT
#42
As much as I want to see a better strategy forum, this idea won't work well.

How many top people actually posting about strategy? Sure people like nony/idra/incontrol post on tl often, but if you compare that to the pool of 'pro' players, the majority is rarely ever post.

And this is against the very foundation of TL where everybody give contribution.
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Dayvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 17:47:23
December 06 2010 17:44 GMT
#43
After reading some of the things people have said here, I think the real issue at hand comes back to whether or not the "exclusive members" would actually be interested in having a forum dedicated to their discussion. The votes make it appear obvious that the community would be behind (at least) a trial of such a forum.

Though high-level players have been complaining about disrespect/stupid feedback, they need to talk more about what their ideal forum environment would be. The point of this thread is that the community is behind whatever they might come up with. From what I've heard, it sounds like they wish they could have interesting discussions with the community but at the same time they wish that the community was as smart in their responses as they are. If that's the case, then this topic is far more complicated than I thought initially.

Side Note: thank you to whoever moved this thread from General to SC2 General
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
December 06 2010 17:45 GMT
#44
absolutely, if I would get in >_<
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 06 2010 17:50 GMT
#45
On December 06 2010 16:39 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 16:27 potatomash3r wrote:
Cool idea. But Pros wont have the time of day to post and theorycraft, they're too busy actually playing the game.

Nor do they want to share strategies publicly.

I know people like IdrA/Nony/Inc have the same addiction to TL like most of us do, but they're also kind of rare among the top players. If you stick the top 200 NA players in their own forum, how much discussion do you think will really take place?
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Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
December 06 2010 17:52 GMT
#46
This would never work, ever. The "pros" would never post there and then you'd just be left with an empty forum that nobody can post in.

The solution would be to allow access to like 2500+ on ladder, but that doesnt make the discussions any better, 2500+ people can be total idiots, anyone can. I would hate to see something like this happen, it's been done on other sites before, and it's been no less than major suckage. Take Arena Junkies for example, the quality of discussion there is similar to the bnet forums, no joke. Very bad idea.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 17:55:17
December 06 2010 17:53 GMT
#47
Why do people always make polls with such ridiculous options? Just put simple "yes, no, i don't care" options and stop trying to tie other emotions into it; this causes biased polling.

Give me a "no" that doesn't have something that doesn't even remotely apply to me and I'll pick that.

A "pro" forum would just turn into day9 2.0 where everyone runs around thinking XYZ must be true because someone on that section said it, just like people constantly run around saying "day9 said ___" and treating it as gospel.
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 17:56:34
December 06 2010 17:53 GMT
#48
On December 07 2010 02:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 16:39 Jibba wrote:
On December 06 2010 16:27 potatomash3r wrote:
Cool idea. But Pros wont have the time of day to post and theorycraft, they're too busy actually playing the game.

Nor do they want to share strategies publicly.

I know people like IdrA/Nony/Inc have the same addiction to TL like most of us do, but they're also kind of rare among the top players. If you stick the top 200 NA players in their own forum, how much discussion do you think will really take place?
97% Avilo whining about Terran being under powered
2.5% Incontrol trolling people
0.5% Actual discussion


I think this is an accurate overview of how it'll look.

I dont think any solution is really good, but just highlighting posts that are made by top players, sort of like blue posts on the blizzard forums would be better than what we have now.

So that when top players DO actually post, it doesn't get drowned in hundreds of trash posts for nobody to read.

But Im not sure how to do it, practically .. I mean Idra could just be trolling a thread and it gets flagged as "pro input", so it'd have to be a manual process where mods add the flags to the posts that actually have good content.

Its going to be hell :C
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
December 06 2010 17:55 GMT
#49
On December 07 2010 02:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 16:39 Jibba wrote:
On December 06 2010 16:27 potatomash3r wrote:
Cool idea. But Pros wont have the time of day to post and theorycraft, they're too busy actually playing the game.

Nor do they want to share strategies publicly.

I know people like IdrA/Nony/Inc have the same addiction to TL like most of us do, but they're also kind of rare among the top players. If you stick the top 200 NA players in their own forum, how much discussion do you think will really take place?
97% Avilo whining about Terran being under powered
2.5% Incontrol trolling people
0.5% Actual discussion


hahahaha

This has been discussed and the mods seemed pretty comfortable in the decision that the extra elitism is not necessary and won't even provoke thought-changing discussion. Many of the best players don't spend time discussing strategy in forums anyway, so it wouldn't even be properly used.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
December 06 2010 17:55 GMT
#50
On December 06 2010 18:27 Shana wrote:
As much as I want to see a better strategy forum, this idea won't work well.

How many top people actually posting about strategy? Sure people like nony/idra/incontrol post on tl often, but if you compare that to the pool of 'pro' players, the majority is rarely ever post.

And this is against the very foundation of TL where everybody give contribution.

The reason they don't post is that the sc2 strategy forum is complete trash? That would be the whole point, to give good players incentive to use TL for strategy discussions again..
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 06 2010 17:56 GMT
#51
i like the idea for the general skilled player. however, you guys are completely naive to think pro players will be posting for strategy discussion. a pro may pop in every now and then to offer advice but they will not be discussing builds/strats etc on an open forum where there competition (other pros) can read it.
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DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
December 06 2010 17:59 GMT
#52
97% Avilo whining about Terran being under powered


Seems low.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 06 2010 18:01 GMT
#53
Having a pros only forum wouldnt work because they wouldnt want to share secrets. The more reasonable thing to do would be to have a forum where only people in the new Master league could post in it, but then how do you actually prove you are in master league.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
December 06 2010 18:01 GMT
#54
My view has always been that I'm probably as qualified as anyone else to make comments, videos, and critique. I'm probably as qualified to provide content as anyone else. The pros alone do not make up the entire SC2 community by any means.
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GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
December 06 2010 18:02 GMT
#55
I also don't like the idea of segregating the forums, for the reasons discussed above. However if lesser known top players are getting drowned out in the forums, I'd support unique avatars or some other form of recognition for those players, if the moderators were willing to manage it.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 18:08:29
December 06 2010 18:06 GMT
#56
I have been involved with managment of a forum with about 400 000+ members, and still gowing, and this is not a uncommon problem regarding any kind of forum. Have had this kind of discussions and in the end you can not create a perfect system.

For strategy I think the best way to deal with this should be a access system to different subforums based on actual ladder ranking.

To write in the strategy forums you must connect your account to a bnet account. The subforums could be divided in bronze, silver, diamond, plat, master. Only people with the right access can write in the forums.

This way the reader can make a quick judgment of the poster and the tl staff will not forced to manage some internal tl ranking system. With growth that feels like a good way to go.

Edit: Would have voted on "No, I dont think it is a working system".
I am not young enough to know everything.
Raiznhell
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada786 Posts
December 06 2010 18:09 GMT
#57
I don't think a pro strategy section would be used at all. Pros generally don't want to share their ideas with anyone besides their teammates. I think the strategy section has it's uses but if you want to know what the pros are doing just watch their games and take notes as that's probably what all the other pros do as well.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
December 06 2010 18:09 GMT
#58
This has been brought up a ton - there is a search function in the top right.

As I have stated before - I support this idea, but there is a fine line between exclusive where almost no one posts and its a dead forum and where there are again too many people.

Too much either way and it will fail.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
DGenerate
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada140 Posts
December 06 2010 18:11 GMT
#59
I'd be favorable to this measure. Each time I go to the strategy section for info, I'm pretty disappointed to find so much contradicting stuff and I can't make a decision on what to try. I'd like the strategy section to be a place where I can go and find valuable information that I know was thought by someone who knows what he's talking about for sure.

One thing that could be incorporated though could be a way for people to submit questions that would only be answered by pros. If they could provide information to even bronze/silver/gold/platinum players, at least they would feel like they could rely on that info because they might know the person and their reputation as top players.
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
December 06 2010 18:12 GMT
#60
Why pros would share strategies is beyond me.
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