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Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
Opponent: adjusted points before game = -26 points change for game = -12 Plat Vulture Tango Me: adjusted points before game = 165 points change for game = +12 Gold Meinhoff Whiskey Difference = 165 - (-26) = 191 (The differences from my previous closest games (11-12 games) were 180 and 189, also with plat opponents. Very close values, I guess I am playing a lot of guys in the same division tier.) | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On March 19 2011 06:52 Kyamo wrote: I finally got a 12/12 match. Opponent: adjusted points before game = -26 points change for game = -12 Plat Vulture Tango Me: adjusted points before game = 165 points change for game = +12 Gold Meinhoff Whiskey Difference = 165 - (-26) = 191 (The differences from my previous closest games (11-12 games) were 180 and 189, also with plat opponents. Very close values, I guess I am playing a lot of guys in the same division tier.) Yeap, most platinum players are on A rank, for the same reason most diamond players are on E ranks. So I think we have a good chance to guess it right if we say these plat are A, and you're 3 tiers lower that, so you are probaly on an A rank Gold (remember: there are only 2 tiers on gold, the S and the A, 3 on platinum S-B). Starting the new season it won't be true anymore, so enjoy the knowleadge for the time being :D (that also mean you already have platinum (rank B) skill, so when the ladder reset you might start at platinum already) | ||
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Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
On March 19 2011 07:18 SDream wrote: Yeap, most platinum players are on A rank, for the same reason most diamond players are on E ranks. What's that reason? And how do we know what tier most players in a league are in? | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On March 19 2011 22:52 Kyamo wrote: What's that reason? And how do we know what tier most players in a league are in? Moving average is the reason. I know because I know 100% of the diamond and platinum divisions tiers on LA server, and I confirmed this phenomenum on NA server diamond (a new E rank diamond division pops up every day, while other tiers takes a lot of time to be born, proving E rank to be the popular tier). It's a tendency from the system. With the reset I think it will ignore moving average and promote by MMR alone, so it won't be true anymore... | ||
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DiDigital
75 Posts
On March 19 2011 23:16 SDream wrote: Moving average is the reason. I know because I know 100% of the diamond and platinum divisions tiers on LA server, and I confirmed this phenomenum on NA server diamond (a new E rank diamond division pops up every day, while other tiers takes a lot of time to be born, proving E rank to be the popular tier). It's a tendency from the system. With the reset I think it will ignore moving average and promote by MMR alone, so it won't be true anymore... That must be a result of the confidence level required of the moving average in order to be promoted. Theoretically the most populated tiers should be the ones closest to mid gold league (so lower diamond / plat divisions and higher silver / bronze divisions). More players being promoted to E rank Diamond rather than F rank implies that the average confidence level is about the size of the F rank tier. If it were larger than more players would be promoted to D rank divisions, were it smaller then more would be in F rank. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
For Master Players.. couldn't they throw games right now and get their MMR lower, then when the ladder resets they are able to grind up points easier off of lesser skilled opponents? | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On March 28 2011 10:33 SovSov wrote: Question: For Master Players.. couldn't they throw games right now and get their MMR lower, then when the ladder resets they are able to grind up points easier off of lesser skilled opponents? No, it won't work. The higher your MMR, the faster will get your points back (or should I say, the higher the MMR of your opponents, but you'll need to have a high MMR yourself to be matched against them). Specially if you aim Grandmaster league, cause it'll select players by their MMR moving average and not points (as every other league). | ||
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Evantas
Singapore61 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
- Division tiers still exist (I've found 2 for diamond so far) - Division names were re-randomized so all our current info (except probably the offsets) is out of date South East Asia Server 1v1 Master Brood Lord Echo (Master) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/44064/1/NEOindy/ladder/4178#current-rank 1v1 Diamond Lenassa November (currently 11 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/7195/1/SayfT/ladder/4193#current-rank Jorgensen Mars (currently 12 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/185036/1/sMoAquarius/ladder/4209#current-rank Aiur Iota (currently 17 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/14607/1/fur/ladder/4165#current-rank Ursa Gravity (currently 28 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/148129/1/FaDeBlitz/ladder/4198#current-rank Urun Kappa (currently 32 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/18154/1/Vybre/ladder/4204#current-rank DuGalle Uncle (currently 33 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/291991/1/Luke/ladder/4164#current-rank Swann Bravo (currently 41 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/214283/1/Hirako/ladder/4180#current-rank 1v1 Platinum Viking Charlie (52 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/22997/1/deshface/ladder/4160#current-rank Reaper Rho (66 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/137527/1/SundeR/ladder/4161#current-rank 1v1 Gold Tosh Sigma (88 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/82995/1/Champ/ladder/4167#current-rank 1v1 Silver Daggoth Oscar (81 players) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/249402/1/XelPhantom/ladder/4199#current-rank 1v1 Bronze Halcyon Omicron (100 players, no data) http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/25962/1/Epimetheus/ladder/4163#current-rank 2v2 Diamond (Random) Lenassa November http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/207820/1/ProAnnn/ladder/4241#current-rank DuGalle Uncle http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/12510/1/NoobStyles/ladder/4220#current-rank 2v2 Platinum (Random) Nexus Psi http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/288490/1/MiniworM/ladder/4247#current-rank 2v2 Gold Tosh Sigma http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/205711/1/FreshKeeper/ladder/4236#current-rank 2v2 Gold (Random) Kerrigan Pepper http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/11457/1/Rowstar/ladder/4176#current-rank 2v2 Silver (Random) Victory Tango http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/82995/1/Champ/ladder/4221#current-rank 3v3 Diamond (Random) Lenassa November http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/74353/1/DMAN/ladder/4259#current-rank 3v3 Silver (Random) Victory Tango http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/82995/1/Champ/ladder/4211#current-rank 4v4 Platinum (Random) Viking Charlie http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/292328/1/snow/ladder/4186#current-rank Reaper Rho http://sea.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/82995/1/Champ/ladder/4189#current-rank | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
That's not important anyways. What I'm curious about is how do you know diamond x is a tier S / A etc division? Is this because there are 2 divisions and they're not filled yet so it concludes to 2 different tiers of Diamond? If it's like that then you should be able to gather info about all tiers of the new Diamond divisions don't you? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
On March 29 2011 09:57 shannn wrote: I can't see the player list lol. When I click on the links I don't see a ladder with players. That's not important anyways. What I'm curious about is how do you know diamond x is a tier S / A etc division? Is this because there are 2 divisions and they're not filled yet so it concludes to 2 different tiers of Diamond? If it's like that then you should be able to gather info about all tiers of the new Diamond divisions don't you? We need to have a universal listing where division offsets are excluded, like the weekly Top 200 list (or failing that, lots and lots of data and match histories). So we don't know yet which tier is which, we just know that they exist. | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
On March 29 2011 11:31 LetoAtreides82 wrote: Did the start of season 2 in SEA begin at midnight in their timezone? The current max bonus pool is 3 right now, which would put the season start time somewhere around 7am local time. | ||
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
On March 28 2011 10:33 SovSov wrote: Question: For Master Players.. couldn't they throw games right now and get their MMR lower, then when the ladder resets they are able to grind up points easier off of lesser skilled opponents? Only reason you would want to do this would be to give yourself a win ratio buffer. Won't actually help you gain points in the long run. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
Swann Bravo may be the lowest tier. I'm seeing a lot of former Plat players who are in this division. Okay SC2Ranks can finally see all these divisions and it's parsing them now. Here's how it breaks down: Bronze: 7 tiers (confirmed) Silver: 3 tiers (confirmed) Gold: 2 tiers (confirmed) Platinum: 3 tiers (confirmed) Diamond: 7 tiers (confirmed) Master: 1 tier (of course) Nevermind only 5 Bronze tiers so far, SC2R was out of date on 2 of them. Okay could be 6 tiers, Overmind Hawk looks like a new one. Nope 7 tiers confirmed from Random Team info. Everything's verified. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
I just got promoted into Diamond from Platinum, with 74 points after promotion(ie. 73 + 1 bonus). My Diamond division is Artika Sigma, and has 82 players as of now(03-29 07:48 PST) I had(or should have) 54 points before promotion. I won three games after placement and all of them gave me +18 points, and all of my oponents were Diamond players. On a note, the last oponent gave me 17+1, due to bonus pool, but I'm not 100% sure because I was promoted on that game. The server registered +18 and there was 1 BP at the time, so I assume its 17+1. If you need, my season 1 snapshot: Division Azimar Foxtrot, 1974 points and 1334 unspent bonus pool. (I'm not sure if the website would wipe out the bonus pool from season 1 as the game does, so I'll post it this way). I just thought this may help someone into discovering these tiers. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
Well, thanks for the information  | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Xeroxer/Untitled-913.png) Any explanation as to why it shits out a decimal? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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