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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
Unfortunately sc2ranks.com has no access to most of the european database after the reset. It will therefore be impossible to find division tiers for the week! | ||
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Doz
United States145 Posts
I am a low point diamond player (477) with a huge B.P. (almost 1700 I think). Over the weekend I was playing mostly against mid to upper platinums, all the while my screen telling me that I was slightly favored. Then I play a 2200 diamond and before the match it said we were even. I beat the 2200 zerg and win 36 points, including bonus. Seeing we were "even", which is based my MMR vs his points (right?), would it be fair to assume that my division class would higher than his, the implication being that his 2200 points would be worth less than my 477? Or could my MMR have changed enough while largely winning against the platinums, such that my short term moving average would have estimated that the 2200 zerg was closer to my skill level? My guess is both, I'm likely to be in a higher division class than he, and my MMR took a short jump seeing as I don't get to play many games. I'm looking at the questions conceptually, I know this 1 piece of data isn't enough to be of value. Is my understanding somewhat correct? | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:14 Doz wrote: Allow me to propose a situation then to see if I understand things correctly. I am a low point diamond player (477) with a huge B.P. (almost 1700 I think). Over the weekend I was playing mostly against mid to upper platinums, all the while my screen telling me that I was slightly favored. Then I play a 2200 diamond and before the match it said we were even. I beat the 2200 zerg and win 36 points, including bonus. Seeing we were "even", which is based my MMR vs his points (right?), would it be fair to assume that my division class would higher than his, the implication being that his 2200 points would be worth less than my 477? Or could my MMR have changed enough while largely winning against the platinums, such that my short term moving average would have estimated that the 2200 zerg was closer to my skill level? My guess is both, I'm likely to be in a higher division class than he, and my MMR took a short jump seeing as I don't get to play many games. I'm looking at the questions conceptually, I know this 1 piece of data isn't enough to be of value. Is my understanding somewhat correct? Other way around. His MMR vs your points. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
This means Grand Masters is stupid for us  This means we need to have a server merge with NA and make a "Americas" server :D This also means that we can potencially have the next top 200 with diamonds inside, and calculate the off-set from there ^^ Wait and hope... | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:33 SDream wrote: There are less than 140 players on Master League on LA. Some players will only play on weekend, but there's actually a huge chance we'll have less than 200 players on Masters. This means Grand Masters is stupid for us This means we need to have a server merge with NA and make a "Americas" server :D This also means that we can potencially have the next top 200 with diamonds inside, and calculate the off-set from there ^^ Wait and hope... Will that even be relevant, though, considering Master points appear to be completely separate from the rest of the leagues? | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 13 2011 10:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: Will that even be relevant, though, considering Master points appear to be completely separate from the rest of the leagues? It will be as interesting as it can be  Exc_Z, do you think that a stable 2700 diamond player won't be stable again in master after some games? Let's say 2500. Even though there was a reset, that doesn't mean an offset doesn't exist, and that offset will be visible as soon as people get their points back (less bonus points they got in this meanwhile). There is a reason we don't see 3000 bronzes all the time. When we do see one they are promoted to diamond soon enough, most likely, that's cause points do correlate in some way to MMR. In the same way, a 2700 diamond will eventually match his MMR on master and be X. A 3000 diamond will also be X + 300. If both 2700 and 3000 ex-diamond players stabilizes again with a 300 points difference, than that will mean the only difference than before is the bonus points they got plus the master offset(advantage). Well, on NA where you already have more master divisions than LA has of diamond divisions it probably won't matter, who cares about diamond anymore? But if we indeed end up with less than 200 players on master here on LA, then yes it will matter for a lot of players here, it will actually matters for top 200! | ||
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Doz
United States145 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:22 Excalibur_Z wrote: Other way around. His MMR vs your points. So he may have had a short term losing streak in his moving average to make us "even"? Or would that be indicative that he's in a lower division class? I've played many other players that were 1100-1800 points higher than me and seen us being even. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 13 2011 10:27 SDream wrote: It will be as interesting as it can be Exc_Z, do you think that a stable 2700 diamond player won't be stable again in master after some games? Let's say 2500. Even though there was a reset, that doesn't mean an offset doesn't exist, and that offset will be visible as soon as people get their points back (less bonus points they got in this meanwhile). There is a reason we don't see 3000 bronzes all the time. When we do see one they are promoted to diamond soon enough, most likely, that's cause points do correlate in some way to MMR. In the same way, a 2700 diamond will eventually match his MMR on master and be X. A 3000 diamond will also be X + 300. If both 2700 and 3000 ex-diamond players stabilizes again with a 300 points difference, than that will mean the only difference than before is the bonus points they got plus the master offset(advantage). Well, on NA where you already have more master divisions than LA has of diamond divisions it probably won't matter, who cares about diamond anymore? But if we indeed end up with less than 200 players on master here on LA, then yes it will matter for a lot of players here, it will actually matters for top 200! Hmm, that's a good question. Right now, new Master members are playing every game with their opponent Favored, meaning the points they started with are quite far from their true MMR. I suppose once we start seeing constant Even matches we might have a better idea of where their points will stabilize? So in the context of the Top 200 maybe we'll see how many Diamonds are in between Master players, if any, and perhaps get some idea of what translates to what. The only thing we know is it didn't translate to anything at the start. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:21 theSAiNT wrote: I've done some searching but can't seem to find this information so I apologize in advance if it's already out there: where can I find division ranks for the EU? hephaestos has been updating this thread, but I suppose it's pretty messy at this point. I'll update the OP with the tier info of the other regions in a collapsible spoiler. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
Blizz Name Record Rating Division 1 vVvRigid 764-618 3095 Argo X-Ray 2 tQState 607-509 3037 Nahaan Lima 3 SlayerSCella 467-310 3134 Defiler Dixie 4 PiQLiQ 1922-1440 3754 Vulture Foxtrot 5 PLZLEAVEDUCK 770-671 3064 Siege Tank Sierra 6 daisuki 351-306 2904 War Pigs Rho 7 tGFrO 1494-1405 3013 Argo X-Ray 8 tQmagnavox 1262-1148 3024 Kaloth Tau 9 iRealEyes 431-373 2970 Artika Uncle 10 Sieg 680-618 2920 Nahaan Lima 11 Despiron 655-582 2639 Argo X-Ray 12 REQRookie 675-623 2840 Tabrenus Zeta 13 ONECrunCher 595-433 3461 Swann Oscar 14 DarkChiGoXPn 759-678 3007 Tabrenus Zeta 15 tQorGETSLAMT 450-362 3047 Moratun Beta 16 tGAndroid 858-723 3050 Zerus Pepper 17 tQsKuLLz 483-396 3007 Templar Alpha 18 Jobless 492-422 2874 Ehlna Chi 19 TerranUApart 915-826 2870 Swann Oscar 20 Perfect 757-644 3231 Alzadar Eta 21 Blackbeard 180-118 3002 Lockwell Mu 22 RaNgeD 1111-966 2961 Tabrenus Zeta 23 SPeCiaLiST 901-779 3184 Templar Alpha 24 tehredbandit 516-432 2982 Zerus Pepper 25 TalorSwftfan 1046-936 3047 Tabrenus Zeta 26 DeAtHRoW 490-319 3149 Routhe Omicron 27 VTFuture 733-646 2860 Zerus Pepper 28 ppgBubbles 1471-1172 3472 Ehlna Chi 29 ExPLiciT 741-659 3050 Defiler Dixie 30 makoplux 688-621 2880 Zekrath Psi 31 NyDGMMA 2146-1987 3049 Lockwell Mu 32 OnixPKM 457-397 2849 Argo X-Ray 33 BoO 701-574 2851 Alzadar Eta 34 RANDY 417-349 2761 Nahaan Lima 35 GRITmadison 1546-1425 2986 Lockwell Mu 36 REQDarkCell 327-252 2782 Moratun Beta 37 ONEAscension 535-452 2951 Zekrath Psi 38 coLGanon 329-248 3010 Moratun Beta 39 FXOmOoNan 805-552 3263 Viking Kappa 40 Tada 689-629 2762 Adun Zed 41 SeleCT 598-224 3328 Routhe Omicron 42 Katari 1743-1088 3433 Templar Alpha 43 NamhciR 522-296 3086 Argo X-Ray 44 Sixto 1089-965 2924 Artika Uncle 45 Mewtwo 985-904 3063 Moratun Beta 46 Baz 1929-1640 3374 Viking Kappa 47 MnMVadar 856-717 3002 Nahaan Lima 48 HasHe 1221-932 3227 Moria Romeo 49 InflowLinko 602-453 3001 Tal'darim Kilo 50 avilo 931-792 3267 Nahaan Lima 51 ReSpOnSe 1055-890 2746 Tabrenus Zeta 52 lalush 192-76 2866 Nahaan Lima 53 YoonYJ 201-138 3099 Siege Tank Sierra 54 StimpsonJCat 679-602 2638 Kaloth Tau 55 Scrubington 546-480 2864 Vulture Foxtrot 56 ThisIsJimmy 762-618 2922 Vulture Foxtrot 57 LGKangwook 680-571 2868 Adun Zed 58 vileEchoic 592-507 3221 Routhe Omicron 59 Kowi 1252-912 3485 Viking Kappa 60 REQSlaineD 711-627 3087 Lockwell Mu 61 tQSpeake 356-288 2607 Routhe Omicron 62 Sterling 386-334 3070 Kaloth Tau 63 ROOTMinigun 266-211 3364 Nahaan Lima 64 FXOpTiKzErO 939-713 3274 Nargil Epsilon 65 coLrsvp 828-671 3355 Viking Kappa 66 AoNe 931-848 2856 Zekrath Psi 67 gli 386-337 2972 Lassatar Pi 68 Pit 861-773 3011 Nahaan Lima 69 Levin 773-589 3140 Siege Tank Sierra 70 SeaNSyE 773-676 2873 Moratun Beta 71 zazen 670-571 2993 Colossus Alamo 72 Ryze 1419-1276 3241 Lockwell Mu 73 ACERGAMEGMMA 2250-2053 3212 Nargil Epsilon 74 Flipaments 323-237 2842 Moratun Beta 75 dinh 487-423 2849 Nargil Epsilon 76 DREAMlegosu 578-517 2828 Routhe Omicron 77 Spanishiwa 434-365 3218 Vulture Foxtrot 78 NadaViKinG 511-400 3049 Kagg Yankee 79 Fan 364-309 3093 Moratun Beta 80 Destiny 1116-999 3155 Moratun Beta 81 TaurosPKM 690-597 2820 Praetor Whiskey 82 EtsurLizzuma 983-885 3136 Kaloth Tau 83 SCAahehoo 1124-1039 2802 Corsair November 84 SiN 838-717 2865 Moria Romeo 85 Xog 992-898 3079 Tal'darim Kilo 86 tGNoStrA 1212-1088 3047 Kaloth Tau 87 OdiN 1088-984 2993 Nahaan Lima 88 BigBadBeaver 1050-952 2848 Routhe Omicron 89 Wannabecool 732-647 3055 Argo X-Ray 90 LGShew 511-446 2960 Nargil Epsilon 91 TOP 854-786 2818 Vulture Foxtrot 92 InflowLooky 1084-950 2917 Nargil Epsilon 93 McLoviN 405-346 2620 Zerus Pepper 94 REQShuffle 259-215 2548 Typhon Hawk 95 Shoey 675-603 2529 Tal'darim Kilo 96 sPsLogiC 1393-1265 3000 Zerus Pepper 97 oov 525-461 2877 Argo X-Ray 98 VTFlow 859-784 2915 Nahaan Lima 99 SilvrSnowXPn 384-333 2883 Templar Alpha 100 Mykill 485-377 2743 Corsair November 101 TriMaster 360-281 2757 Kaloth Tau 102 Hawk 515-423 3158 Siege Tank Sierra 103 vVvTitan 311-195 3051 Alzadar Eta 104 SonKiE 797-722 3120 Tabrenus Zeta 105 NvU 275-203 2557 Braxis Theta 106 ONEGatored 503-407 3115 Kaloth Tau 107 RuFF 1454-1294 3073 Siege Tank Sierra 108 coLFireZerg 578-464 2938 Zerus Pepper 109 VTPokebunny 347-250 2653 Nahaan Lima 110 VTZerker 969-860 3274 Kaloth Tau 111 dambae 250-204 2762 Routhe Omicron 112 SlayerSBoxer 492-404 2928 Tal'darim Kilo 113 KingDime 558-488 2827 Lockwell Mu 114 cFpigtheman 523-465 2816 Moria Romeo 115 lGy 296-232 2874 Nahaan Lima 116 Mian 383-333 2903 Routhe Omicron 117 LiquidTravis 493-446 2907 Ehlna Chi 118 Chronopolis 1062-996 2930 Routhe Omicron 119 NrGdde 439-297 2877 Adun Zed 120 VTAttero 282-196 2978 Moria Romeo 121 LagTTJEcho 734-633 3177 Tabrenus Zeta 122 ONEPerp 169-115 3105 Zerus Pepper 123 MnMEdward 1242-1104 3015 Templar Alpha 124 LGAgh 718-571 2862 Corsair November 125 ROOTCatZ 1165-967 3071 Kaloth Tau 126 ZekoXPn 610-517 2588 Zerus Pepper 127 vVvTime 1294-1152 3105 Kaloth Tau 128 lmaonnaise 198-136 2843 Lockwell Mu 129 ButteryLlama 770-661 2675 War Pigs Rho 130 tQSungpA 967-816 3196 War Pigs Rho 131 MattDamon 1030-918 3014 Templar Alpha 132 BioOrMech 468-401 2982 Moratun Beta 133 coLAntimage 525-418 2985 Viking Kappa 134 BALLERTRON 352-297 2609 Nargil Epsilon 135 NrGViBE 140-78 2945 Colossus Alamo 136 Tenryu 282-232 2930 Viking Kappa 137 Fingo 531-458 3004 Templar Alpha 138 Matrix 587-501 2887 Ehlna Chi 139 BoX 303-253 2894 Argo X-Ray 140 FXOSheth 147-85 2979 Corsair November 141 Deezer 685-604 2705 Praetor Whiskey 142 LGZelniq 1364-1110 3223 Siege Tank Sierra 143 NrGostojiy 592-435 2959 Void Ray Bravo 144 sPsRebuke 815-632 2736 Swann Oscar 145 Domorin 532-468 2882 Kaloth Tau 146 Kangpo 343-279 2774 Moria Romeo 147 tQSadist 313-248 2774 Moratun Beta 148 Dhalism 923-813 2976 Void Ray Bravo 149 kcdc 1597-1501 2966 Tabrenus Zeta 150 Janook 389-306 2787 Kaloth Tau 151 ClassyBear 166-102 2762 Nahaan Lima 152 Raigeki 1217-1154 2582 Argo X-Ray 153 SlayerSBekHo 344-264 2871 Braxis Theta 154 LGenvY 889-757 3160 Lockwell Mu 155 Namkung 430-362 2727 Nargil Epsilon 156 Flashback 696-608 3054 Lockwell Mu 157 tQSwarM 702-639 2880 Tal'darim Kilo 158 WonderBread 352-298 2677 Swann Oscar 159 Sonik 462-394 2891 Templar Alpha 160 Bio 826-755 2902 Tabrenus Zeta 161 bLuR 690-571 2944 Argo X-Ray 162 EGiNcontroL 923-706 2937 Argo X-Ray 163 CombatEX 1144-1038 3107 Ehlna Chi 164 Ikki 620-536 3036 Templar Alpha 165 Drew 472-394 2663 Lockwell Mu 166 dayvie 574-455 2935 Nahaan Lima 167 DracuL 584-523 3004 Siege Tank Sierra 168 InflowYeN 889-738 2906 Tabrenus Zeta 169 tGQwerty 452-391 2886 Zerus Pepper 170 Redds 387-311 2820 Templar Alpha 171 Surge 466-415 2907 Viking Kappa 172 sPsKookiez 428-353 2652 Siege Tank Sierra 173 Roguemonkey 346-299 2732 Argo X-Ray 174 NrGCocoA 706-522 2927 Tabrenus Zeta 175 Sojourner 323-279 2684 Moratun Beta 176 lovemyRM 729-639 2754 Tabrenus Zeta 177 ONEKyhol 752-582 3165 Artika Uncle 178 GoOdy 153-53 2665 Zekrath Psi 179 GreatWestern 185-112 2813 Colossus Alamo 180 TTOne 762-442 2953 Hellion Tango 181 DavidLynch 160-121 3000 Nova Indigo 182 FkcXionS 233-212 2888 Corsair November 183 FaYDe 416-340 2758 Ehlna Chi 184 NOVAstalife 539-366 3122 Routhe Omicron 185 binski 324-263 2678 Tal'darim Kilo 186 EGLzGaMeR 720-575 2880 Templar Alpha 187 sPstoddman 805-663 2738 Alzadar Eta 188 Polar 484-405 2812 Ehlna Chi 189 REQPhiliBiRD 292-225 2830 Tabrenus Zeta 190 Azz 665-571 2954 Nargil Epsilon 191 ScourgeCorp 129-86 2833 Nargil Epsilon 192 Goph 215-144 2639 Praetor Whiskey 193 Bandino 723-628 2522 Siege Tank Sierra 194 ROOTslush 777-489 2962 Argo X-Ray 195 cSOnamu 531-469 2854 Lockwell Mu 196 Magnanimouse 349-277 3138 Void Ray Bravo 197 phantaxx 1260-1147 2789 Lockwell Mu 198 vVvNGry 298-202 2915 Swann Oscar 199 shaNk 418-336 2646 Templar Alpha 200 Pride 356-280 2881 Zerus Pepper I'm still trying to piece things together here but so far I'm not seeing any kind of logical correlations. | ||
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iSTime
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On January 19 2011 08:47 Excalibur_Z wrote: Who wants to read about Master league Top 200 parses that make no sense??? I'm still trying to piece things together here but so far I'm not seeing any kind of logical correlations. This is just a hypothesis, but since the master league ratings seems to be converging on the adjusted diamond-league ratings pre-patch (or something similar), is it possible that the normal "inactivity" penalty for not having used up all the bonus isn't as straight forward? Since some players have only been inactive for a couple of weeks, they don't have that much bonus, but possibly having played enough games for their master league rating to converge on their MMR? So for example if some player was 3000 pre-patch in a class S division, but only played enough games to get their bonus pool to 0, but not enough to get their rating to the MMR, they're still being treated at their MMR? | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 19 2011 09:50 MorefaSho wrote: This is just a hypothesis, but since the master league ratings seems to be converging on the adjusted diamond-league ratings pre-patch (or something similar), is it possible that the normal "inactivity" penalty for not having used up all the bonus isn't as straight forward? Since some players have only been inactive for a couple of weeks, they don't have that much bonus, but possibly having played enough games for their master league rating to converge on their MMR? So for example if some player was 3000 pre-patch in a class S division, but only played enough games to get their bonus pool to 0, but not enough to get their rating to the MMR, they're still being treated at their MMR? I didn't look at this exhaustively, but I did consider that maybe it was a bonus pool thing. I compared two people within the same division: 12 REQRookie 675-623 2840 Tabrenus Zeta (current bonus pool: 4, pool at time of snapshot: possibly 0) 14 DarkChiGoXPn 759-678 3007 Tabrenus Zeta (current bonus pool: 3, pool at time of snapshot: maybe 1 or 2 at the most?) It doesn't explain the huge gap in points. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
I'll do my best, maybe tomorrow I'll have something. Things to look: Are at least the diamond players still using the same old logic? Is any diamond players higher than any master players? etc Cya! http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/blog/2113739#blog Edit: The highest diamond on LA top 200 is top 5! That absolutelly means that not being in master league doesn't mean having a lower... whatever criteria it is for top 200 >.> http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/63769/2/Nash/ There are less than 200 players on LA master league, also, most of the players with very low game (40-70) didn't make it into top 200, diamond players made it instead!! The top 5, Nash, is actually a pretty active player, so why is he not Master?? Excalibur, that question goes to you!! He is from an E-Ranked division, with 2699 (2384) points, 100% used bonus pool (2346).Edit3: Confirmed that the old "math" doesn't work even with diamond players!! ZOMG | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On January 19 2011 10:28 SDream wrote: There are a lot of diamond players on LA Top 200, But I am so tired today ZzZzZz I'll do my best, maybe tomorrow I'll have something. Things to look: Are at least the diamond players still using the same old logic? Is any diamond players higher than any master players? etc Cya! http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/blog/2113739#blog Edit: The highest diamond on LA top 200 is top 5! That absolutelly means that not being in master league doesn't mean having a lower... whatever criteria it is for top 200 >.> http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/63769/2/Nash/ There are less than 200 players on LA master league, also, most of the players with very low game (40-70) didn't make it into top 200, diamond players made it instead!! The top 5, Nash, is actually a pretty active player, so why is he not Master?? Excalibur, that question goes to you!! That... I have no idea. I'll wait for your full parse =) | ||
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United Kingdom316 Posts
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United States2228 Posts
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United States261 Posts
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