EPThttp://www.sc2ranks.com/div/66112/division-zerus-juliet
Rank S? I will edit here soon with what I think.
Edit: data is kind of bad, but it seems to be rank S, let's wait for more players to enter and hope them having better data ^^
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/div/66112/division-zerus-juliet Rank S? I will edit here soon with what I think. Edit: data is kind of bad, but it seems to be rank S, let's wait for more players to enter and hope them having better data ^^ | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:28 Kpyolysis32 wrote: Interestingly, both of those divisions were created containing players with less than 315 points. I'm really interested in seeing if one of them turns out to be E rank, because if it does, it implies that division modifier isn't initially added to score (maybe it's added to bonus pool, but the favored even system would have to be very complex to not account for it while it's in the process of being depleted. Also, the favored/even system DOES have to subtract it out, otherwise it would just end up distributed among all players). Has there already been speculation or evidence on this that I've missed? Everyone will start with zero displayed points, be it bronze, be it diamond E-S. Let's say the system understand I am top 200 in the world: it will put me on a S-rank division, but I'll start with zero points, no problem. Let's say I am top 19%, I'll start at e-rank diamond, with zero points, no problem. What that means is someone at a s-rank division will start with 300+ points that aren't displayed. Actually, if you think from a bronze perspective, s-rank diamonds have a 900-1200+ "advantage, e-rank divisions have a 600-900 "advantage", silver players have a 60-400 advatange and so on. Ps: Real offsets/advantage numbers aren't known yet. | ||
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Eeryck
United States184 Posts
On January 08 2011 00:15 SDream wrote: Everyone will start with zero displayed points, be it bronze, be it diamond E-S. Let's say the system understand I am top 200 in the world: it will put me on a S-rank division, but I'll start with zero points, no problem. Let's say I am top 19%, I'll start at e-rank diamond, with zero points, no problem. What that means is someone at a s-rank division will start with 300+ points that aren't displayed. Actually, if you think from a bronze perspective, s-rank diamonds have a 900-1200+ offset. If I understand correctly and just looking at diamond 350ish offset, this is still not an issue at reset because of hidden MMR vs displayed points. The higher MMR folks in the S-class divisions are going to gain points more slowly than the lower MMR folks. So after the same number of games played in the same time span with the same W/L ratio against similar caliber opponents (assuming the lower ranked player MMR shot up immediately) you would get to an equivalent point total at roughly the same time with offsets taken into account. Meaning the E-ranked player would have 350 more points than the S-ranked player. Also, I would suspect that the 1-placement match at reset would be the time that if you were E-ranked but normally in top 200 that you would find yourself in a S-ranked division after new placement. Same thing with lower S-rank division players, they may find themselves in B,C,D, E depending on MMR after single placement. | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On January 08 2011 00:06 SDream wrote: New NA division: http://www.sc2ranks.com/div/66112/division-zerus-juliet Rank S? I will edit here soon with what I think. Edit: data is kind of bad, but it seems to be rank S, let's wait for more players to enter and hope them having better data ^^ Just got into this division, lost about 800 points after getting promoted. EDIT: Looks like it was exactly 859 points. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 09 2011 03:22 ch33psh33p wrote: Just got into this division, lost about 800 points after getting promoted. EDIT: Looks like it was exactly 859 points. Yeap, 95% sure it's S-Rank. New NA diamond division: Division Lassatar Sigma E Rank I don't even have to try anymore with E ranks. 100% sure. | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
On January 11 2011 04:00 ch33psh33p wrote: Hmm, So i've been looking at the new Zerus Juliet division, and it seems everyone coming in from plat loses a different amount of points. I lost over 800, but some people lost only 400-500. Is this evidence of different Platinum tiers, seeing as this division is an S-Rank and has no modifier? I don't think it's necessarily evidence of anything. There could be (and probably are) different tiers within Platinum, Gold, etc., but it would take a lot of data to confirm this. I presume you're using SC2Ranks' points-over-time graphs to determine this? If so it's important to remember the frequency of the updates as well as how many data points there are. For example, a slow gradual slope from one data point at 1500 Plat to 700 Diamond 4 days later doesn't really tell you anything, since maybe the player went up to 1600 or down to 1400 or higher or lower than that before getting promoted to 600 or 800 Diamond, then when the SC2Ranks division update occurred it happened to land at 700. Since we're hoping for exact numbers here, that doesn't serve our purposes too well. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
New LA server diamond division: E Rank (315) Spectre Zed (Aparição Zero) --- Edit: Also, I'll stop announcing here the new NA divisions that pop up on sc2ranks, instead I'll post it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180480 | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
Players that had 3000 points or 2700 points, they all got into master league with the same 2300 points =/ "These players had a huge difference in points on top 200 (diamond), but now they all have 2300 points? That's interesting... it seems promotion not only have "offsets", but they also cut extra points from some kind of "inflation". That explains people getting promoted to S rank diamond losing 400-800 points, but it being more stable on E-A ranks." This system is seemingly impossible to be figured out  http://img535.imageshack.us/f/screenshot2011011115463.jpg/ http://www.sc2ranks.com/masters/sea This screenshot proves that Master League is about MMR and not points: http://i.imgur.com/kxNgZ.jpg | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
I played 3 games. Lost two, won 1, got my promotion. I was 2607(ish) Loss -11 Loss -20 Win +18 Now 2180 in Masters. Hope this helps somewhat... | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 11 2011 15:23 Comma20 wrote: Masters is out on SEA. I played 3 games. Lost two, won 1, got my promotion. I was 2607(ish) Loss -11 Loss -20 Win +18 Now 2180 in Masters. Hope this helps somewhat... Thanks Comma, this does help ^^ Rank E division, right? | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
That said you need to play games to get Masters and it's slowly filling up (Patch came out a few hours ago...) I assume Master's will be normalized, and hopefully we won't get division tiers in between Masters divisions... | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12262 Posts
On January 11 2011 14:30 SDream wrote: It seems this thread will be outdated tomorrow. Players that had 3000 points or 2700 points, they all got into master league with the same 2300 points =/ "These players had a huge difference in points on top 200 (diamond), but now they all have 2300 points? That's interesting... it seems promotion not only have "offsets", but they also cut extra points from some kind of "inflation". That explains people getting promoted to S rank diamond losing 400-800 points, but it being more stable on E-A ranks." This system is seemingly impossible to be figured out http://img535.imageshack.us/f/screenshot2011011115463.jpg/ http://www.sc2ranks.com/masters/sea This screenshot proves that Master League is about MMR and not points: http://i.imgur.com/kxNgZ.jpg Hm... unless Master has its own set of tiers, which is possible. | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On January 11 2011 17:57 Comma20 wrote: Kagg Zeta on SEA now has 100 players. There's probably a new one already with a few players. If you could make a screenshot with all the 100 players (with their current points) that would also help, as sc2ranks can't get the data of master league from Blizzard site yet ----------------- On January 11 2011 16:07 Excalibur_Z wrote: Hm... unless Master has its own set of tiers, which is possible. I doubt. It seems the system don't just calculate a offset for you, it recalculates your points based on something, maybe your MMR. So most players will lose/gain points close to what seems to be the offset, but some players could lose 0 points and others could lose double the points of the "offset", if for some reason he got that much points wrongly. Exemple: The best guy in a server will most often than not wins. Even if he just gets 6 points at a time, he will inflate his own points further than his MMR, cause if you don't lose you can't lose points! that simple  So his points are "wrong", and he'll lose all those points when promoted. There's still an offset from division to division (league to league), but that doesn't mean you'll lose/gain exactly that amount when you get the promotion/demotion. That's probably how it works! | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
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dtz
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And it seems that the masters are filled according to time so it is possible that the initial wave of masters leagues are of the same tier or there is no tier on masters. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
1) someone on TOP 100 LA won't play on LA server this week, so won't get promoted to master. 2) Blizzard release top 200 with these diamond players on there (at least 2 players to be able to confirm). 3) We discover the master offset! If all my (new) theories are right, the Master offset from Diamond rank S perspective is 2 ranks (126 points). So a XS Rank (in a S -> SS -> XS mind ^^) | ||
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Comma20
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