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Zephirdd, you have to think more about it, I think you confused a lot of things.
Everyone receive 12 rested bonus points every day. Also, most people lose 50% of their games. And generally you will get 12 points in an even game. That said, you need to play 2 games everyday (1 win everyday) to spend all of your rested bonus points.
If I play only 1 game everyday with a win/loss ratio of 50%, I will only spend half of my bonus points per day then I'll have 700 points in 4 months. Still, I'll play everyday, I am an active player with non-spent rested points. That said, I am probably receiving these non-spent points in the top 200 rank, that's my guess.
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On December 01 2010 01:09 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 00:56 hephaestos wrote:
Or, maybe they just ditch inactive players from the top200 on an arbitrary basis, what makes you think there is some kind of formula and inactivity level involved ? This player is 106 in LA. http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/25153/2/lamp/He has 674 non-spent rested points (as of now) and is known for being inactive for more than 1 month (he plays at US servers now). He has been number 1st-2nd in LA for a whole month in August-September. These 674 points are for sure not being summed though as of November 29, cause the math is "just right" where he should be with the "old' formula. This player is the 200th in LA. http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/180061/2/magoz/ladder/21298#current-rankHe has 253 non-spent rested points (as of now) and is easy to see that he played yesterday and even today (he is active, so there was even more rested points before, I guess...). But if you use the "old" formula there is no way he could be top 200 (he is 301 right now in LA masters in sc2ranks), He is receiving some extra points and my bet is the non-spent rested bonus points.
I'm a little bit confused here because in fact, for the data I went through (in EU ladder), everything fitted without giving anybody, wether they were active or not, their bonus pool. Don't you think it is just an oddity with magoz ?
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I'm a little bit confused here because in fact, for the data I went through (in EU ladder), everything fitted without giving anybody, wether they were active or not, their bonus pool. Don't you think it is just an oddity with magoz ?
Magoz is not the only one, so no. They all share the same "shouldn't be here, but they have non-spent points". The Lamp case is not the only one as well in the "has non-spent points, but is as if it doesn't matter". That said, maybe next monday I can focus my attention on them and see if there's any way to calculate it. With some luck there's some people tied and it gets easy to make some conclusions.
One thing you should keep in mind is that European, Korean and American servers are way more competitive, I bet you can't easily find someone with more than 200 unspent points in TOP 200. But in Latin America there is Lamp with 600+, e a lot others with 200+ unspent points. LoL
So, there might be no opportunity in these competitive servers to see this "last"(?) variable in the action 
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There's a tie between 2 players with un-spent points (UP) and they are "fine" (with the old). One with 274 UP other with 392 UP. Which should prove there's no math with these bonus pool.
There's another tie. One with 828 UP and the other with 144. It's "fine" here as well. So, I have no idea.
The question of "what is there of special with Magoz and others?" are still there though 
Sorry with bothering with this question here, I bet it never will be important for your servers, as people there actually play lol.
The more maths I do the more it seems bonus points are useless indeed. I hope to confirm it with next week's top 200 
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On November 30 2010 22:28 SDream wrote:Excalibur_Z, I just found out that there is more to the math on TOP 200 than you could guess with the US server info alone. Your points and your division's "offset" aren't the only factors. It seems that rested bonus points are a factor, but only in some players or in some "random" way. My guess is that active players that aren't active enough will have their rested points summed into their total points for top 200. But I couldn't confirm it. I could, though, confirm that some players with rested points are higher than they should be, other with even more rested points are just fine though. That's why I think that being "active" in some way changes the variable "rested points". Edit: My prove: Look at these 2 players that are in the same division: This one is lower, but is in TOP 200 http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/180061/2/magoz/ladder/21298#current-rankThis one is higher, and has been for some time (so it is not the games he played yesterday and today) but is not in top 200 http://us.battle.net/sc2/pt/profile/3130/2/Kobalto/ladder/21298#current-rankWhat's the difference?? Rested bonus points, that is it. ---------------- I guess the formula is then: P - O + R/I = True Points P = Points O = Division Offset R = Non-spent Rested Points I = inactivit level If you are active enough, whatever that means, you have 1 of inactivit, then you'll have 100% of your Non-spent rested points added to you total (true) points. If you are too inactive, you might have like 1000 of this variable, what basicly means you won't get it added to your total (true) points. Which means it is too hard for sc2ranks to make a TRUE top 200+ rank, unfortunetely
I don't think this is the case. I know there are several anomalies which I noted when I briefly checked the TW server, but there were no explanations provided by Blizzard for those anomalies. I don't think unspent bonus pool is counted in the Top 200 calculations because it doesn't match with what I've seen on the NA (or hephaestos on the EU) server.
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On November 30 2010 19:00 hephaestos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 10:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
SDream I saw the info you provided to Shadowed, splendid work. I did some error checking and it indeed looks like everything is accurate and that there is a seventh tier. Well done, and thanks for the effort =)
Shadowed is in the process of adding a LA Masters page using the information you provided. Could we add the Europe information, too ? For the record : S-rank :Feld delta forge eta agria alpha tal'darim theta stukov foxtrot uraj eta akilae lima Roach Lambda zealot alamo mar sara sigma A-rank: B-rank :routhe victor reaper gravity chau sara quest C-rank :executor alamo shiloh oscar D-rank : E-rank :duke sigma Sakai lima broodling mu F-rankKhaydarin X-Ray
Does this include this week's information too?
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On November 30 2010 20:12 Azzur wrote:
Hey Excalibur, I dunno if this would help you, but it may be useful data for you.
I played Arman from the division Akilae Omicron (S-class) yesterday on Lost Temple and gained 32 (16 from bonus pool) points. Even though I had more points, he was slightly favoured in the match. My bonus points at that time was pretty low (< 50) and his is low as well.
Would this help you determine the rank of my division (Bhekar Ro Kilo)?
There's not enough information to conclude anything, because the MMR of your opponent is not known. All that is known is that his MMR is moderately higher than your adjusted rating, and you received an amount of points that reflects that. It says nothing about the tier of your division.
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On December 01 2010 03:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 19:00 hephaestos wrote:On November 30 2010 10:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
SDream I saw the info you provided to Shadowed, splendid work. I did some error checking and it indeed looks like everything is accurate and that there is a seventh tier. Well done, and thanks for the effort =)
Shadowed is in the process of adding a LA Masters page using the information you provided. Could we add the Europe information, too ? For the record : S-rank :Feld delta forge eta agria alpha tal'darim theta stukov foxtrot uraj eta akilae lima Roach Lambda zealot alamo mar sara sigma A-rank: B-rank :routhe victor reaper gravity chau sara quest C-rank :executor alamo shiloh oscar D-rank : E-rank :duke sigma Sakai lima broodling mu F-rankKhaydarin X-Ray Does this include this week's information too?
Not yet, I'm currenly working on it
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Unfortunately I keep getting errors when I try to access many of the EU profiles, so it looks like the site may be having problems. Therefore, I can't verify the tiers, but it should be concrete enough based on the info you provided to create an EU-Masters page. Please update when you've finished this week's ranking.
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On December 01 2010 05:11 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Excuse me, but I think the whole system is.. kind of wrong. Adelscott has more points than I do - but I'm ranked 124 while he is ranked 189. TLO has less points than I do - but he's ranked higher.
My division is "confirmed" (Mar Sara Sigma) S-Rank.. so.. that doesn't really make sence, does it? Can someone do the math behind that?
Hm, are you sure you're looking at this week's data? I see Adelscott at #48 in the Top 200, you're at #97. He had 2806 points at the time of the snapshot according to SC2Ranks, you had 2613. TLO isn't in the Top 200 at all from what I can see.
I'm looking at Blizzard's 11/30 blog post, by the way.
EDIT: Oh, heh. Okay.
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Yes. I was looking at old data. So I guess I'm S-Rank. Yay :D
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On December 01 2010 03:02 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 19:00 hephaestos wrote:On November 30 2010 10:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:
SDream I saw the info you provided to Shadowed, splendid work. I did some error checking and it indeed looks like everything is accurate and that there is a seventh tier. Well done, and thanks for the effort =)
Shadowed is in the process of adding a LA Masters page using the information you provided. Could we add the Europe information, too ? For the record : S-rank :Feld delta forge eta agria alpha tal'darim theta stukov foxtrot uraj eta akilae lima Roach Lambda zealot alamo mar sara sigma A-rank: B-rank :routhe victor reaper gravity chau sara quest C-rank :executor alamo shiloh oscar D-rank : E-rank :duke sigma Sakai lima broodling mu F-rankKhaydarin X-Ray Does this include this week's information too?
Here is the updated data :
S-rank (+0) :
Feld delta
forge eta
agria alpha
tal'darim theta
stukov foxtrot
uraj eta
akilae lima
Roach Lambda
zealot alamo
mar sara sigma
Ramsey X-ray
Siege tank Gamma
Shuttle November
Aldaris Foxtrot
Scimitar Psi
Roach Romeo
Phoenix Mars
A-rank (+63) :
Khalu Tau
Norad Phi
B-rank (+126):
routhe victor
reaper gravity
chau sara quest
C-rank (+189):
executor alamo
shiloh oscar
Boros Tango
Scourge Charlie
Vermillon Nu
D-rank (+252):
Char Xi
Gantrithor Bravo
E-rank (+315):
duke sigma
Sakai lima
broodling mu
Marin Psi
Corsaire Pepper
Meinhoff Pi
F-rank
Khaydarin X-Ray
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Nevermind, my question was answered in the FAQ, sorry.
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Great thread excalibur many thanks from me :D I now know what division modifier I have
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Unanswered Questions:
- How does the system determine which division tier a player should be placed? Obviously by MMR, but to what extent?
How is it obviously by MMR? Is there any evidence to say its not just completely random?
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On December 01 2010 06:14 Adebisi wrote:Show nested quote +Unanswered Questions:
- How does the system determine which division tier a player should be placed? Obviously by MMR, but to what extent? How is it obviously by MMR? Is there any evidence to say its not just completely random?
At Blizzcon a senior designer informed us that divisions mattered and captured different ranges of skill. Since their measure of skill is the MMR it would make sense that they use MMR, or more likely the moving average.
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The EU data surely can't be right. That would mean my division has a modifier of AT LEAST 450pts, as SypherFeast has 2835pts and is not appearing on the top 200..
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On December 01 2010 07:50 Lalgee wrote:
The EU data surely can't be right. That would mean my division has a modifier of AT LEAST 450pts, as SypherFeast has 2835pts and is not appearing on the top 200..
Going back in LoCo (#200)'s history, it looks like he had 2719 points at the time of the snapshot. He's in Char Xi which is a +252 division, putting his adjusted rating at 2467. If SypherFeast had 2835 at the time of the snapshot (which I don't think he did, he's gained at least 70 points since yesterday but the time of the EU snapshot is not known), then he's probably in a +315 or +378 division. I don't see any evidence of an 8th tier.
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Are all of the diamond divisions in the masters or only that can be confirmed wih Blizzards top 200 ?
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